Lone Wolf Posted May 25, 2025 Posted May 25, 2025 38 minutes ago, Number said: US is ready to sell F-35 It is even proving too costly to maintain for USAF... It's a junk at this point. Even Musk called it useless piece of trash. It's a well laid trap and be rest assured we have successfully denied Trump and his cronies. If IAF and MoD and PMO want AMCA at war footing, We can have first prototype in operation by even 2030. In Short paisa lagega boss.
Number Posted May 25, 2025 Author Posted May 25, 2025 10 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: It is even proving too costly to maintain for USAF... It's a junk at this point. Even Musk called it useless piece of trash. It's a well laid trap and be rest assured we have successfully denied Trump and his cronies. If IAF and MoD and PMO want AMCA at war footing, We can have first prototype in operation by even 2030. In Short paisa lagega boss. Will be very difficult to get anything before 2035 and rest assured HAL will deliver an outdated junk which will be way behind the techs which will evolve a lot by that time. We can't let PAF have that edge for such a long time. Need to make some stop gap arrangements.
Lone Wolf Posted May 25, 2025 Posted May 25, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, Number said: Will be very difficult to get anything before 2035 and rest assured HAL will deliver an outdated junk which will be way behind the techs which will evolve a lot by that time. We can't let PAF have that edge for such a long time. Need to make some stop gap arrangements. J35 acquisition is a propaganda at this point.. will believe it when I see it. Even if they get those next year (unlikely case)... Nothing would pump MoD HAL PMO at once to fast-track AMCA... It would be blessing in disguise. I think no one in the country is advocating F35 at this point especially not against Pakistan at least as it will come with too many strings attached with obvious kill switch.. backdoor stuff and what not. There is argument to be made about Su57E.. but it would be us being too desperate and its production and acquisition will take a lot of time anyways. Edited May 25, 2025 by Lone Wolf
Teengunalagaan Posted May 25, 2025 Posted May 25, 2025 1 hour ago, Number said: US is ready to sell F-35 No, unless there has been some updated news on this? Only policy to sell F35 to India was to be considered for review, F35 is not really on the table.
straighttalk Posted May 25, 2025 Posted May 25, 2025 13 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said: What is India's response to Pakistan getting a 5th generation fighter? What are our options? Fairly poor but don't think Chinese maal will be full stealth..we need more extensive radar systems and anti air defense including more s400 to detect after they fire and shoot it down .the missiles they carry are the same as Sindoor time and they don't always have super speed . So they are vulnerable....essentially for Pakistan..they are expensive and would be suicide mission after they fire. Preventing the first shot will be hard though as most likely they will have frontal stealth..so our s400 or high value targets are at risk ...essentially they will have to risk losing a plane to take out s400 or a base... Remember another fifth generation aircraft doesn't protect us from their fifth generation direct but improves our offensive capabilities in attacking them..however for defense we need layered air defense and radar systems. G_B_ and EnterTheVoid 1 1
Number Posted May 26, 2025 Author Posted May 26, 2025 9 hours ago, Teengunalagaan said: No, unless there has been some updated news on this? Only policy to sell F35 to India was to be considered for review, F35 is not really on the table. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/jd-vance-pushes-f-35s-to-help-iaf-secure-indias-airspace/articleshow/120534368.cms
Number Posted May 26, 2025 Author Posted May 26, 2025 11 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: I think the trip of Doval to Russia is on discussing the aspects of S-400/S-500 and SU-57 only. Russia needs manpower to ramp up the production of military equipments..India has that. There are some hard sanctions on Russia which restrict a lot of imports to it, that is causing delay in production of a lot of def equipments.
singhvivek141 Posted May 26, 2025 Posted May 26, 2025 1 hour ago, Number said: There are some hard sanctions on Russia which restrict a lot of imports to it, that is causing delay in production of a lot of def equipments. Sanctions are there...but we cant live under the Umbrella of US forever. Russia has self dependent economy. So does China...India can do the trade with Russia.
Lone Wolf Posted May 26, 2025 Posted May 26, 2025 (edited) More delay on GE f404 engine... No way in hell we are buying anything from US from now onwards Edited May 26, 2025 by Lone Wolf singhvivek141 1
G_B_ Posted May 26, 2025 Posted May 26, 2025 12 hours ago, straighttalk said: Fairly poor but don't think Chinese maal will be full stealth..we need more extensive radar systems and anti air defense including more s400 to detect after they fire and shoot it down .the missiles they carry are the same as Sindoor time and they don't always have super speed . So they are vulnerable....essentially for Pakistan..they are expensive and would be suicide mission after they fire. Preventing the first shot will be hard though as most likely they will have frontal stealth..so our s400 or high value targets are at risk ...essentially they will have to risk losing a plane to take out s400 or a base... Remember another fifth generation aircraft doesn't protect us from their fifth generation direct but improves our offensive capabilities in attacking them..however for defense we need layered air defense and radar systems. It does not solve their geography problem. Any 5th gen aircraft would be stationed 300km from ths border. So how exactly is this an offensive solution when your bases are open?
G_B_ Posted May 26, 2025 Posted May 26, 2025 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: More delay on GE f404 engine... No way in hell we are buying anything from US from now onwards This was always on cards. Germany too failed to deliver engine for army. There needs to be a 20 billion usd emgine fund.
G_B_ Posted May 26, 2025 Posted May 26, 2025 And this is why india needs to access the product 30 or af51 engine. Pay big money for tot. 30 billion usd payable over a 10 to 15 year period. This money infusion will allow the russians to keep producing viable jets n missiles. Considering our gdp will be 10 trillion at that point. 2% of gdp will be 200 billion. 2 billion for tot and 2 billion per year on our own engine program is nothing. Build amca using a version of af51 engine (refine it).
Lone Wolf Posted May 26, 2025 Posted May 26, 2025 2 hours ago, G_B_ said: This was always on cards. Germany too failed to deliver engine for army. There needs to be a 20 billion usd emgine fund. #FundKaveriengine trending #1 in India lmao Number 1
Teengunalagaan Posted May 26, 2025 Posted May 26, 2025 Long thread on Kaveri Engine, ray of hope, we might not be far away from succeeding in engine tech, but it needs funding and infrastructure. We consistently achieved 49 KN dry thrust & 73 KN wet thrust fr #GTREKaveri in 2012. In 2009 , when both kaveri & WS10 went fr high altitude test facilities in CIAM , Ws 10 failed & kaveri acheived abt 80% of it's design thrust consistently & was proven https://t.co/wmJsDbdjZ8 — E.R. Sakthivel DFI (@sakthivel_cit93) May 21, 2025 Number 1
singhvivek141 Posted May 27, 2025 Posted May 27, 2025 20 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: More delay on GE f404 engine... No way in hell we are buying anything from US from now onwards US will never allow India to become so strong that it can crush its lapdog Pakistan. Cancel the order from GE, take engines from Russia instead. West may call them unreliable and high maintenance, but atleast it will be readily available. Plus Russian jet engines arent as bad as China's. raki05 1
Number Posted May 28, 2025 Author Posted May 28, 2025 On 5/27/2025 at 8:53 AM, singhvivek141 said: US will never allow India to become so strong that it can crush its lapdog Pakistan. Cancel the order from GE, take engines from Russia instead. West may call them unreliable and high maintenance, but atleast it will be readily available. Plus Russian jet engines arent as bad as China's. https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india/india-eyes-partnership-with-france-s-safran-to-develop-engines-for-powerful-tejas-lca-mk2-jets-13051280.html Looks like for MK2 they will go with Snecma engines.
Mariyam Posted May 31, 2025 Posted May 31, 2025 (edited) Pardon my ignorance; noob question here We are a country that has sent probes to Mars and the poles of the Moon. We have made fission and fusion bombs. We can make high speed mach whatever ballistic missiles which are accurate. We have weapons to shoot down satellites. We have a modern drone program and anti drone defense system. Why can't we make a jet engine? Edited May 31, 2025 by Mariyam
Lone Wolf Posted May 31, 2025 Posted May 31, 2025 46 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Pardon my ignorance; noob question here We are a country that has sent probes to Mars and the poles of the Moon. We have made fission and fusion bombs. We can make high speed mach whatever ballistic missiles which are accurate. We have weapons to shoot down satellites. We have a modern drone program and anti drone defense system. Why can't we make a jet engine? Sending probes to Mars and Moon is easier than a jet engine. Only a few countries have the know how US, UK, France, Russia, and China. The elite club. China recently after decades of pouring in billions and billions of dollars in R&D succeeded in making its own Jet engine recently. This thread will help you Mariyam 1
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