Pakistani players are arrogant and glory hunters

[bsriharsha]

Their definition of talented player is/was Umar Akmal. 

 

And he was as a limited batsman. Their chutya public makes it seem like a batsman has arrived when he flukes 2-3 innings in the beginnng of his career. This leads to the cricketers getting to their head that they don't need to work on their game. Once it's found out by the opposition, they then have no more cards to play and are left with their pants pulled down. 

[rollingstoned]

12 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

 

A few things

• Sachin was great but during the 90s India were quite poor and didn't win overseas tests/series or ICC titles. Only when the first batches of post liberalization players came into the team by the late 90s-early 2000s, Sachin started winning a lot more including overseas tests/series and ICC titles.
• Pakistan's setup is so flawed that players regress after a few years. Even India "lost" a lot of talent back in the day like Irfan, RP Singh etc. Now the system has become good enough that everyone is polished. Australia is the definition of a good system where a lot of players who were mediocre in their 20s come into the team in their 30s and become world class for a few years.

So even if generational talents come into these teams, nothing is going to change. And Afghanistan had a generational talent in Rashid Khan and have players like Noor Ahmad etc.

Pak decline - like WI - coincides with foreign player cap In County cricket, you can check the timeline. It used to be their finishing school. Indian domestic cricket for all its flaws has never needed this which is why we continue to produce cricketers of a certain minimum standard and pedigree. 

[rollingstoned]

11 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

This is not particularly in terms of any team or Sport but a general outcomes:

 

Till then cricket was armatures' game, no science or study were done mot much or research and most of the things were hearsay and passed on wisdom kind of thing.

But as soon as teams starts any game become professional, alot of science , proven knowledge come in. Similar to Olympic sports a lot of sports science is enveloped.

 

There will 1-2 outlier but often a well rounded and robust system works over long period of time. Take Aus they have cricketing knowledge was before any1 else had.

Their system hardly produce duds, this may not produce a malinga or a murali but it will always produce a Mcgrath, warn, Cummins etc.

 

Previously batters who were considered hitter would/could only target leg side now with the understanding how power is generated batters are hitting sixes on off-side too.

Currently all pak batters still have pak 90s style hitting technique.  

 

 

You can produce bowlers without a proper 'system' and encourage instinctive tendencies which can still produce results and you will get bowlers like Rauf Sami and maybe even Siraj. It's hard to do with batsman which is much more process and detail oriented. 

[VT87]

13 hours ago, Gollum said:

They don't seem to be intelligent. Not good problem solvers, guys like Misbah, YK, Rana Naved, Hafeez, Malik, Butt, Amir, Asif had brains (even if of the crooked kind in some of them)....only Rizwan has some street smartness among their current lot, rest are paindus. 

Bhai that Sarfraz was lost shrewd guy I have seen

Edited September 30, 2025 by VT87

[deathmonger]

7 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

You can produce bowlers without a proper 'system' and encourage instinctive tendencies which can still produce results and you will get bowlers like Rauf Sami and maybe even Siraj. It's hard to do with batsman which is much more process and detail oriented. 

Rauf Sami are not on the level of Siraj

 

Siraj has won an AC final single handedly, has won/drawn test series in Aus, SA and Eng with 5fers and won a T20 WC with contributions in the group stage

 

They can never produce a Siraj currently

 

Siraj was forged in India A

[rollingstoned]

17 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

Rauf Sami are not on the level of Siraj

 

Siraj has won an AC final single handedly, has won/drawn test series in Aus, SA and Eng with 5fers and won a T20 WC with contributions in the group stage

 

They can never produce a Siraj currently

 

Siraj was forged in India A

Didn't say they were, was referring to the rhythm dependent nature of their bowling which is instinctive rather than relying on too much input.

[Gollum]

44 minutes ago, VT87 said:

Bhai that Sarfraz was lost shrewd guy I have seen

Yes, guys like Sarfaraz, Malik, Amir and Asif belonged to the Miandad school of street smartness. Carried themselves like bhondus but were very cunning. 

[deathmonger]

4 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Yes, guys like Sarfaraz, Malik, Amir and Asif belonged to the Miandad school of street smartness. Carried themselves like bhondus but were very cunning. 

Each generation is poorer than the previous one.

 

That generation who started in the mid 00s (Dhoni, Gambhir contemporaries) were the last ones who could somewhat compete. Were not as good as the late 90s gen (Younis, Youhana, Akhtar, Saqlain) but still were okay.

 

It's a slow decline.

 

Even WI had decent players like Gayle, Sarwan in that time period.

[vvvslaxman]

Pakistan cricket is phinished.  PCB has withdrawn the NOC they gave before. These guys might start retiring soon.

[Gollum]

In the past they produced many limited players who through hard work moulded themsleves into their best versions. YK, Misbah, Azhar Ali, Malik, Hafeez, Yasir Shah all kept their heads down, put in hard yards and did well for themselves. Don't see any grit in present Pooks, they are arrogant, low IQ, have inflated views about themselves...and will always underachieve. 

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Gollum said:

In the past they produced many limited players who through hard work moulded themsleves into their best versions. YK, Misbah, Azhar Ali, Malik, Hafeez, Yasir Shah all kept their heads down, put in hard yards and did well for themselves. Don't see any grit in present Pooks, they are arrogant, low IQ, have inflated views about themselves...and will always underachieve. 

And terrible fans to go with

[tapandrun]

3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Pakistan cricket is phinished.  PCB has withdrawn the NOC they gave before. These guys might start retiring soon.

BBL players already had noc, they might hold it back Just posturing nothing much. 

Edited September 30, 2025 by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

Here is the list of Pak batter with highest SR with min 500 t20i runs. Do not think its arrogance, its just skills. 

 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2025 by tapandrun

[BCCISelector]

12 hours ago, deathmonger said:

No one is good.

 

They just hype the best of the trash.

 

It's a question of systummmm.

 

Neither Tilak nor Abhishek were that hyped as kids. Their U-19 peers Jaiswal and Gill respectively were the golden boys (and they have been good).

 

Now look at where Tilak/Abhishek are.

Pakistan sends 31 year olds and capped players to Emerging Asia Cup and celebrates when those guys beat 20-21 year old kids from India. That sums up everything that's wrong with their cricket.

 

Look at the team India sent to the 2023 Emerging Asia Cup. Apart from Abhishek and Riyan who had a few years of IPL experience under their belt, everyone else had played 0 to 2 years at the senior level. It was a great exposure to relatively unknown youngsters like Jurel, Reddy and Harshit, who have now become household names.

 

31 year old Tayyab Tahir was hyped to the moon after hitting a century against these kids. But he turned out to be a mediocre player at the international level.

[deathmonger]

6 minutes ago, BCCISelector said:

Pakistan sends 31 year olds and capped players to Emerging Asia Cup and celebrates when those guys beat 20-21 year old kids from India. That sums up everything that's wrong with their cricket.

 

Look at the team India sent to the 2023 Emerging Asia Cup. Apart from Abhishek and Riyan who had a few years of IPL experience under their belt, everyone else had played 0 to 2 years at the senior level. It was a great exposure to relatively unknown youngsters like Jurel, Reddy and Harshit, who have now become household names.

 

31 year old Tayyab Tahir was hyped to the moon after hitting a century against these kids. But he turned out to be a mediocre player at the international level.

Tayyib was bowled like a bitch by Jadeja in CT.

 

Harshit, Jurel, Reddy, Abhishek, Sai, Riyan have all improved massively and will be good to great players. All of them have more international achievements than Tayyib.

Edited September 30, 2025 by deathmonger

[tapandrun]

14 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

You can produce bowlers without a proper 'system' and encourage instinctive tendencies which can still produce results and you will get bowlers like Rauf Sami and maybe even Siraj. It's hard to do with batsman which is much more process and detail oriented. 

Yes far easier, if there is some one who is tall and bowls at decent clicks can be  worked into good bowler. Pace in be increased with repetitions and strengthing and bowling in nets can improve accuracy.

 

Batting req. years of practice, there is no trades that once can say will make a good batter. Batters need play cricket properly a tennis or tape ball batter can not play leather ball. Ball swings and seams. 

 

If som1 never played a particular pace or spin type its hard to achieve that ability on the fly. And the big factor comes is run scoring no amount of nets can tell a better how to score runs. Batter can pay good looking shots in nets but those will be stoped in matches, what do you do next. how to construct an innings,

 

[tapandrun]

15 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

And terrible fans to go with

Some Pr/fanbase of Ind players are alot worse. Can not say anything about the player they like, else you become a hater.

 

Can not point out if certain player is costing the team.

Edited October 1, 2025 by tapandrun

[addicted4444]

On 9/29/2025 at 9:21 AM, maniac said:

Slightly disagree. They do have very good raw cricket  “skills” . What they lack  is  temperament, education , brains or etiquette.  Not limited to just cricket players.

 

 

These guys lost to USA in the World Cup. They don’t have “raw talent”. 
 

This is a holdover from the 1980s and 1990s when Pakistan was a richer country on a per capita basis than India and had a lucky streak with a few generational talents. 
 

Indian cricket OTOH was held back by incredible corruption where you had to pay several lakhs to get into a Ranji team unless your talent was at Sachin level. 
 

Also, Pakistan recruited from the streets whereas India recruited from the coaching classes. And Indian coaches were terrible. They took players and made them worse. Pakistan’s big advantage was their players didn’t usually go through terrible lower level coaching classes because they were picked off the streets. 
 

It’s when Dhoni started doing this that Indian talent improved, and it’s only over the last 10-15 years that Indian coaching at the grassroots level has upgraded to not making players worse. 
 

 

Edited October 1, 2025 by addicted4444

[tapandrun]

On 9/29/2025 at 11:47 PM, rollingstoned said:

Pak decline - like WI - coincides with foreign player cap In County cricket, you can check the timeline. It used to be their finishing school. Indian domestic cricket for all its flaws has never needed this which is why we continue to produce cricketers of a certain minimum standard and pedigree. 

Cricket is declining over-all, only SENA+Ind are improving.

 

The reason is simple and would be answer to alot of post on this thread is because cricket was and has been a amateur sports and there will be upswing and downswing with the time.

 

SENA+Ind has become professional in sports, so they have knowledge of know how and know why and have incorporated data and sports science so they can reproduce and repeat the process again and again. 

 

Good example is Aus they have this knowlege of cricket for such a long time that even when they are not v.good they can win ICC events, a last time assembled team is hard to beat in icc event. They know what works why that works.

 

As for the county cricket, there is alot of cricket already going on there is no way a top intnl player has time to go to county plus add the t20 leagues. And a lot of playing county cricket was mny back then now player have leagues to go.

 

For county cricket its not that hard , few yrs back babar was playing for county, pujara was playing recently some of other pak players were also playing.

Not sure wht level it was evey1 was hitting 100s/200s pujara got multiple 150+ .

 

Right now vilatity t20 is going on and in-parallel their 50 overs tournament is also going on, so now quality is not such that there will be an improvement to the game as top players are contracted elsewhere.

 

Wi cricket has been on decline since 90s since sc team ind, pak, sl got better at oids and started playing themsleves and wi didnt get much cricket that time. Then player started having issues with board think it became noticeable from the time of lara. And things spiralled.

 

but t20 cricket came and wi was back in the top but recently their talent pool is v.dry not sure what happened next. gen wi batter are not even t20 player. there was a time when they were most sought after.  At one time they had so many player with power game that wi can not have all of them around and they never got full chances.

 

But now what happened ??? After Pooran, Rutherford and hetmyer who are next ?

 

And for pak moving away from test was a deliberate move from Pcb and cricketers, as soon as psl got going all the focus shifted there. 

T20s are easy to make mny make superstars from.

A player with little to no domestic exp. would come into psl and score some run would make in to pak side.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[sugumarrising]

PAKISTAN IN ODIS :- PAKISTAN'S LAST ODI VICTORY AGAINST INDIA CAME WAY BACK IN 18/6/2017, INFACT SENIOR PLAYERS IN THE TEAM FROM THAT PERIOD LIKE BABAR AZAM, FAKHAR ZAMAN, HASAN ALI HASN'T WON ANY SINGLE ODI MATCH AFTER THAT AGAINST INDIA, THEIR NEXT IMPORTANT PLAYER SHAHEEN AFRIDI HAS BEEN PLAYING SINCE 2018 HE WAS NEVER PART OF A ODI WIN AGAINST INDIA TILL NOW, 

 

PAKISTAN IN T20S :- PAKISTAN'S LAST T20 VICTORY AGAINST INDIA CAME WAY BACK IN 4/9/2022, SENIOR PLAYERS LIKE BABAR AZAM, FAKHAR ZAMAN, MOHAMMED RIZWAN, SHAHEEN AFRIDI, HARIS RAUF (OUR HERO), HASAN ALI WERE ALL PART OF WINNING A T20 MATCH AGAINST INDIA LAST WAS 3 YEARS BACK,

ALL THESE IMPORTANT PLAYERS OF PAKISTAN ARE OVERRATED, NO TROPHIES, NO CLUTCH PERFORMANCE IN ANY IMPORTANT WORLD CUP OR ASIA CUP TOURNAMENTS ACROSS FORMATS ALL THESE YEARS, BUT THEIR DELUSIONAL FANS HYPE THEIR PLAYERS AS THE WORLDS BEST BATSMAN, BEST BOWLER LIKE THAT, ALL THEIR PLAYERS ARE MENTALLY WEAK, THEY MELT FASTER THAN A CANDLE IN PRESSURE SITUATIONS,

 

PAKISTAN LOST THE LAST 8 MATCHES AGAINST INDIA ACROSS FORMATS, PAKISTAN'S LAST ODI CRICKET VICTORY OVERALL AGAINST INDIA WAS 8 YEARS BACK, PAKISTAN'S LAST T20 VICTORY OVERALL AGAINST INDIA WAS 3 YEARS BACK, THE ANGER AND FRUSTRATION IS VISIBLE IN EVERY PAKISTAN PLAYER,
 
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