G_B_ Posted March 24 Posted March 24 Key take away is, if china invades taiwan and is ready to put bodies on the line, will the usa do the same? Its likely n korea will attack the south/japan at behest of china. ravishingravi 1
bsriharsha Posted March 24 Posted March 24 2 hours ago, MK55 said: They get to sacrifice the nuclear stuff (most of which they already were willing), get to continue their shop and bonus get some sanctions removed. They can even keep their charade / narrative going that they held up their own in the war. They can refuse the ballistic missile points (and I’m sure US won’t have a huge problem with that besides some range limits if any) These idiots need to get their ego in place. I doubt they will fool people going on forward. None of the dickheads involved in both sides of the war come out of this looking good
rkt.india Posted March 24 Posted March 24 28 minutes ago, bsriharsha said: I doubt they will fool people going on forward. None of the dickheads involved in both sides of the war come out of this looking good Even if US backs out, Israel will continue the attacks.
Lone Wolf Posted March 24 Posted March 24 12 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Even if US backs out, Israel will continue the attacks. For Israel it's low key matter of survival. Ideally no country in middle East should possess nuclear weapons.
bsriharsha Posted March 24 Posted March 24 25 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Even if US backs out, Israel will continue the attacks. US only ideally "backs out" when there are regional powers to stalemate Iran exactly like how Russia is being stalemated by the EU.
rkt.india Posted March 24 Posted March 24 (edited) Now Trump will ask India to go against Iran too keep the Hormuz open. Edited March 24 by rkt.india
randomGuy Posted March 24 Posted March 24 There has been panic buying of petrol today in some cities i guess
IndianRenegade Posted March 24 Posted March 24 (edited) 7 hours ago, MK55 said: I get those arguments and that’s what’s expected from a barbaric regime ruled by militants. BUT 1: They are not in an isolated fight with the US n Israel. If the strait is involved for any protracted amount of time do you think the world is going to just allow that silently? It’s basically guaranteed to destroy economies - starting with Europe first. This is their last option to escape. There is direct pressure from UK, EU now. Gulf is already against them. Iraq + Afg wasn't just US, it was US + coalition forces. 7 hours ago, MK55 said: 2: This isn’t some war with a no name country. If this continues, there will be massive structural ASYMMETRIC losses on their side. And for what? For ego? Ideology. no body accused them of being bright, they could have long ago given into US control, keeping their religious autocracy like the Saudis. They don't want to. 7 hours ago, MK55 said: 3: They will be public (global) enemy number one if they don’t negotiate in good faith especially when US is inclined to resolve this diplomatically. I can guarantee you if they don’t make diplomatic progress this week, this is going to happen fast. So it’s either all of this and they delay the inevitable Vs they get to keep most of energy infrastructure, continue their business (whatever that is) plus the option of getting some sanctions reduced. By all reports they did negotiate in good faith, the Omani mediators did say Iran agreed to zero nuclear material stockpiling. US & Israel still went ahead & killed their leader because of their ideology & you expect Iran to not dig in? get real. this war was a stupid war from trump & bibbi waged only for ideology. Edited March 24 by IndianRenegade
Lone Wolf Posted March 24 Posted March 24 (edited) Vance off to Islamabad reportedly Edited March 24 by Lone Wolf
Lone Wolf Posted March 24 Posted March 24 (edited) Gut feeling says if Talks fail, Pooks will dragged into the war by US directly without delay. Interesting few days. Big gamble by Munira munni APM meet Tommorow in South block. GoI has anticipated something as well. Edited March 24 by Lone Wolf
Lone Wolf Posted March 24 Posted March 24 Trump calling Modi and such a thanda response by Top ji indicates that in case a ground offensive via Pookland happens... We may have been given heads up to not move against Pookland in the meantime. Lot of moving parts in this tussle.
ravishingravi Posted March 24 Posted March 24 10 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Trump calling Modi and such a thanda response by Top ji indicates that in case a ground offensive via Pookland happens... We may have been given heads up to not move against Pookland in the meantime. Lot of moving parts in this tussle. What else should he say ? We just need the oil and gas supply to be secured for now.
Lone Wolf Posted March 24 Posted March 24 12 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: What else should he say ? We just need the oil and gas supply to be secured for now. Yeah nothing much he can do tbh though I have a feeling unless Iran takes whatever US is offering, regime may survive in some capacity otherwise gloves are going to be off for real. Pooks, UK (Navy + SSN) US Israel and Saudis will launch a direct assault and regime will go kaput in a week's time with a lot of blood being spilled in the process
MK55 Posted March 24 Posted March 24 Looks like Trump badly wants a deal ASAP and be done with this. Multiple sources confirming. It’s up to Iran now to not mess this up. If they keep their senses (I doubt) they could negotiate something that helps them financially. ATM I dont care how this ends but that it needs to stop - else get ready for a correction which isn’t good for anyone. It’s a global shock - doesn’t matter if some minority countries sneak in their ships.
ravishingravi Posted March 24 Posted March 24 13 minutes ago, MK55 said: Looks like Trump badly wants a deal ASAP and be done with this. Multiple sources confirming. It’s up to Iran now to not mess this up. If they keep their senses (I doubt) they could negotiate something that helps them financially. ATM I dont care how this ends but that it needs to stop - else get ready for a correction which isn’t good for anyone. It’s a global shock - doesn’t matter if some minority countries sneak in their ships. Easier said than done. Americans have turned their back on many such agreements in the past. Will be hard for Iranians to trust.
jf1gp_1 Posted March 25 Posted March 25 14 hours ago, G_B_ said: Key take away is, if china invades taiwan and is ready to put bodies on the line, will the usa do the same? Its likely n korea will attack the south/japan at behest of china. Chinese I hope are smart people and don't start another war.
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