Use of Shivam Dube

[vvvslaxman]

I was listening to Rahane on crincfo. He echoes my opinion. They are trying to use him outside his comfort zone which is to bowl outside the off. He actually moves, gets bounce, he should bowl straight. Which Idiiot in think tank suddenly asked him to bowl wide ball in Netherlands match. It initially looked like an expriment they were trying.  He is doing it in every match.  He is bad. But he is definitely not this bad. When he is at the stumps lot of players ended up mistiming him in recent times. Some idiot in Indian set up over-complicated things. Now we have lost a potential 6th bowling option who is low on confidence. You bowl straight and if you get whacked that is fine.But this stupidity  is likely to be from Gambhir.  "Let us experiment wide line bowling".  Why try to fix what is not broken? He even outbowled Bumrah in Asia cup.

[tapandrun]

24 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I was listening to Rahane on crincfo. He echoes my opinion. They are trying to use him outside his comfort zone which is to bowl outside the off. He actually moves, gets bounce, he should bowl straight. Which Idiiot in think tank suddenly asked him to bowl wide ball in Netherlands match. It initially looked like an expriment they were trying.  He is doing it in every match.  He is bad. But he is definitely not this bad. When he is at the stumps lot of players ended up mistiming him in recent times. Some idiot in Indian set up over-complicated things. Now we have lost a potential 6th bowling option who is low on confidence. You bowl straight and if you get whacked that is fine.But this stupidity  is likely to be from Gambhir.  "Let us experiment wide line bowling".  Why try to fix what is not broken? He even outbowled Bumrah in Asia cup.

 

Have not seen this interview but again a surface level analysis by Ind expert. this is t20 a bowler can not be preditable specially with Dube's pace. 

And even on good day he is no more than 2 over bowler.

 

In t20 every bowler need some defensive variations/deliveries. Dube does not have a good yorker his slow bouncers can got go upto batters' helmets the only option left is wide bowling out of batters' bat-swing i.e. wide yorker negating the chance of half-volly fulltosses.

 

With his pace there are not many variations he can have.  Its not test cricket or even Odi cricket where bowling same 6 balls is called a good over.

 

As ashwin once said hits quota of 4 over is an event of 24 ball or something on similar lines 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 26 by tapandrun

[vvvslaxman]

30 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

Have not seen this interview but again a surface level analysis by Ind expert. this is t20 a bowler can not be preditable specially with Dube's pace. 

And even on good day he is no more than 2 over bowler.

 

In t20 every bowler need some defensive variations/deliveries. Dube does not have a good yorker his slow bouncers can got go upto batters' helmets the only option left is wide bowling out of batters' bat-swing i.e. wide yorker negating the chance of half-volly fulltosses.

 

With his pace there are not many variations he can have.  Its not test cricket or even Odi cricket where bowling same 6 balls is called a good over.

 

As ashwin once said hits quota of 4 over is an event of 24 ball or something on similar lines 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You don't give scripts to limited bowlers. If you think his style doesn't suit don't use him. Asking him to bowl in a certain way is way worse than him is not at all bowling him. Even Bumrah looks ungainly when he doesn't target stumps.  He should never leave the stumps. If he gets hit so be it.  Bowling wide line will lead to more wides. More self doubts. Things will become worse. Instead of getting away with 12 runs he ends up conceding 20 runs  He can alter pace, length. He should not alter line. If a batsman steps away he just freezes and bowls even wider. He should bowl dead straight. That is where he got most of his wickets.

[Ultimate_Game]

This whole fiasco started by forcing Dube to bowl full length outside off. Before that he could bowl an over or two reliably but this extra pressure is not meant for part-timers.

[Sooda]

It's a shame because actually his bowling has improved so much over the last year I guess under Morkels guidance. Getting more bounce. Just need to sort out his strategy 

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

This whole fiasco started by forcing Dube to bowl full length outside off. Before that he could bowl an over or two reliably but this extra pressure is not meant for part-timers.

yes Netherlands match. I was shocked. He was not bowling that line and length until that point. I think it was clearly an experiment they were thinking of using later. I really want to punch this clown Gambhir and his clown team. what was the need of it.  That US guy bowls exactly at the same speed of Dube. All he did was change of pace . never left the stump. He has 13 wickets . 

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Sooda said:

It's a shame because actually his bowling has improved so much over the last year I guess under Morkels guidance. Getting more bounce. Just need to sort out his strategy 

 

They ruined a improved bowler with a daft strategy.  You need these low trajectory bowlers to bowl wide yorkers. One of the biggest advantage of part timer bowlign at stumps is batsman knows he can't make mistake as he could lose wicket. 

[Frustrated]

I think, against WI, SKY is planning to use Dube with the ball for min 3 overs & concede 50+ runs in the process.  He did the same against SA.   SKY is that sort of captain who gets lot of pleasure when the opponent smashes every ball out of the park.  That's the time when he enjoys munching his chewing gum & creating the biggest bubbles.  

[The Realist]

Dube is pretty limited with a low skillset. Always going to get smashed sooner or later with his harmless dibbly dobbly bowling. Can't coach or polish such mediocrity.

 

He's nearly 33 and is not gonna turn into Kallis now.

 

Post tournament need to rebuild with younger players for the next T20 WC and move on from Dube.

Edited February 27 by The Realist

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, The Realist said:

Dube is pretty limited with a low skillset. Always going to get smashed sooner or later with his harmless dibbly dobbly bowling. Can't coach or polish such mediocrity.

 

He's nearly 33 and is not gonna turn into Kallis now.

 

Post tournament need to rebuild with younger players for the next T20 WC and move on from Dube.

Precisely why you should let him bowl what he is comfortable with. He infact clean bowled a few players . These are his numbers in the T20 series against SA where he was not really this bad.  He was bowling completely differently till Netherlands match. Suddenly something happened. Instead of getting the best out of your part timer these morons got the worst out of him. It might affect his batting too. INdia has a bunch of idiots like Siddhanshu kotak, Sridhar then head coach, DUrandhar Morkel. that we need to get rid of.

 

[Lord]

He shouldn’t be bowling. Part timer has to be a spinner in these conditions.

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

He shouldn’t be bowling. Part timer has to be a spinner in these conditions.

Pace varying is still helpful in these conditions

 

[Lord]

Just now, Suhaan said:

Pace varying is still helpful in these conditions

 

Not easy for a part timer to do it with control. Offspin part timers can get away with it more

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

Not easy for a part timer to do it with control. Offspin part timers can get away with it more

It's 50-50 for both of them ,India has no such part time off spinner  who has bowled more than Dube

Edited February 27 by Suhaan

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

He shouldn’t be bowling. Part timer has to be a spinner in these conditions.

 

There are a lot worse bowlers bowl intelligently and  have better numbers. Most of the netherlanders are rank trundlers. That USA opener who is the leading wicket taker is bowling roughly at the same pace as Dube. If suddenly pitch helps seamers with tackiness you will need Dube. In Ahmedabad seamers were more effective than spinners. Because of this dumbassery they experimented against Netherlands Dube could not hit the length. 80% of Ngidi's balls were roughly at the same pace Renuka sharma.  105 to 110 kph. But he was always in and around the stumps> Not wide balls. He is not Hazlewood to have immaculate control. He can control certain type of length. India went off the script needlessly. 

[Sandz]

Use less of Shivam Dube.

[Lord]

19 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

It's 50-50 for both of them ,India has no such part time off spinner  who has bowled more than Dube

Tilak will be more useful imo

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

Tilak will be more useful imo

No. Unlike our team right handers, others are giving room and play through off side against off spinner. Especially if the spinners doesn't turn big they will travel. You need atleast some variations and control also big heart

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

Tilak will be more useful imo

Would have liked both Tilak and Abhishek bowled more like Yuvi,Raina did in the past(Yuvi was infact between part timer and specialist )

Tilak and Abhishek had  been given token overs before WC,both of them should have been bowled more

If they go back to domestics as they play only one format should practice bowling regularly to up their stakes

Edited February 27 by Suhaan

[tweaker]

Gambir should not have discarded Riyan Parag.He bowls long spells for Assam regularly.