Yash Rathod deserves his own thread

[BacktoCricaddict]

Like Sarfaraz Khan, Yash Rathod has been unfairly ignored from red-ball cricket. He is probably just as deserving - if not more - than Padikkal or Gaikwad for a M.O slot in the India-A team. He has championship pedigree, 60 avg, 60+ SR. He is 26 now, and his window will probably close soon. Why is he being sidelined? 

 

Eyetest @maniac? 

[tapandrun]

Yes, he should have been developed for tests. the issue is all the selections are made on the basis of ipl.

 

Players like him are no t20 force even in domestic t20 leagues and there is no way they can make it to ipls.

[vvvslaxman]

Smaran also plays well.  No.3 spot is the single most important spot in overseas tour besides openers. Who are ready to take on no.3. It has been a problem for a lot of teams around the world. Cam Green, Mulder, Bethel many players are being tried around the world. For us Karun , Sai, Sundar tried.  You need to have excellent temperament, tempo, technique for no.3 to do well in Tests.  Most of these guys are no.4 or 5 or 6. 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

Smaran also plays well.  

 

Smaran averages 73 after 17 FC matches. Has almost all the strokes in the book. But is not even in India A.

 

The Ranji Trophy system produces only one type of good player.

 

Not pacers ... but people gave such strong support to Nabi.

 

Not spinners who perform home and away.

 

But good test batsmen. 

 

Why is he being ignored like this. ??

 

 

Edited July 3 by express bowling

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

Yes, he should have been developed for tests. the issue is all the selections are made on the basis of ipl.

 

Players like him are no t20 force even in domestic t20 leagues and there is no way they can make it to ipls.

 

Is Rathod's back foot game good enough ?

 

From whatever little I have seen, he seems to play mostly on the front foot. But could be due to the slow pacers too.

[BacktoCricaddict]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Is Rathod's back foot game good enough ?

 

From whatever little I have seen, he seems to play mostly on the front foot. But could be due to the slow pacers too.

This is the kind of analysis and questioning for which I come to ICF!! Just from tracking scorecards and statistics, one can't say much. 

[tapandrun]

25 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Is Rathod's back foot game good enough ?

 

From whatever little I have seen, he seems to play mostly on the front foot. But could be due to the slow pacers too.

Think he is mostly off-side player, as most Ind batters plays from front foot.

 

Can not really gauge back foot game unless he plays, intnl quality bowlers , ranji is filled with 130 kmph bowlers no one going to bounce a batter.

May be 1-2 ball specially for batters who are know to have obvious issues with short -ball.

 

Thats the reason they pick batters from ipl they think this player can handle itnl level bowler in ipl then should be picked in whatever format.

 

Most ind batters does not have good backfoot game or ability to play high quality pace they take time , so its either pick players from ipl who can handle intnl bowlers hope they develop test game. Or pick ranji domestic player who has game for test but will need time to develop vs quality pace.

 

Would have select a long format specialist and hope they develop or even fail at-least were tried or hope some1 who played 20 balls comfortable on rather flat surface pick them and play test???

Will nt get test players who are not odi players, previously odi were litmus test for ind batters to come to test or ranji, now its ipl

Edited July 3 by tapandrun

[Vickydev]

So is this the thread? Or are you asking others to make one

[express bowling]

44 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Think he is mostly off-side player, as most Ind batters plays from front foot.

 

Can not really gauge back foot game unless he plays, intnl quality bowlers , ranji is filled with 130 kmph bowlers no one going to bounce a batter.

May be 1-2 ball specially for batters who are know to have obvious issues with short -ball.

 

Thats the reason they pick batters from ipl they think this player can handle itnl level bowler in ipl then should be picked in whatever format.

 

Most ind batters does not have good backfoot game or ability to play high quality pace they take time , so its either pick players from ipl who can handle intnl bowlers hope they develop test game. Or pick ranji domestic player who has game for test but will need time to develop vs quality pace.

 

Would have select a long format specialist and hope they develop or even fail at-least were tried or hope some1 who played 20 balls comfortable on rather flat surface pick them and play test???

Will nt get test players who are not odi players, previously odi were litmus test for ind batters to come to test or ranji, now its ipl

 

 

If you watch Smaran bat, you will see a lot of pulls and back foot punches. Quite powerful too.

Edited July 3 by express bowling

[tapandrun]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

If you watch Smaran bat, you will see a lot of pulls and back foot punches. Quite powerful too.

is this based on some highlight ??

 

have only seen him bat in ipl practice game,he was unable to put bat to ball , v.little off-side game.

 

He kind of only scored vs spin , he is mostly leg-side player if not wrong?? even in ipl games he was unable to connect the ball

 

And srh does not have particularly faster bowlers.

Edited July 3 by tapandrun

[Lord]

No IPL no selection

[Ultimate_Game]

44 minutes ago, Lord said:

No IPL no selection

 

Yup, selection of all formats lead through IPL. Tough luck Sarfaraz, Padikkal, Rathod, Smaran etc. Our selectors will play Tilak in all formats before they give any of these players a chance 

[tapandrun]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Smaran averages 73 after 17 FC matches. Has almost all the strokes in the book. But is not even in India A.

 

The Ranji Trophy system produces only one type of good player.

 

Not pacers ... but people gave such strong support to Nabi.

 

Not spinners who perform home and away.

 

But good test batsmen. 

 

Why is he being ignored like this. ??

 

 

 

The answer to all selections and non selection is selection based on ipl.

 

Teams got ipl teams only got interested in Nabi because he could make it to Ind side, its not like he was a good t20 bowler. Same with sarfarz he has been scoring lot on ranji runs but no ipl team was interested in him , as soon as there were some chances Ipl teams started showing interest.

 

Ipl teams wants their players in ind side, it attracts lot of fan base, and sponsors. Ipl team pushes their players in A tours , emerging cups and  when a/b/c level sides are picked.

 

And selectors and coaches think if such player can play vs inlt level player in ipl they just select that player regardless of the format. Sometime they just pick players because of the pressure-- Patidar was picked in Odis and Tests but never got a chance in t20is, Rahul tripathi had decent series but then they dint pick him after 1/2 series.

 

Player like gurjap and kambooj started getting picked for A tours , development tours because they are from 1 of 3/4 big ipl side.

 

tests and T20is are 2 diff sports.

 

Test req. defensive batter and attacking bowlers.T20 req. attacking batters and defensive bowler. 

 

In t20 batters' life time there would be less than 10 occasion that they will get to play or survive 50 balls in an innings and in test facing 50 balls means batter would have hardly scored 20 -25 runs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 4 by tapandrun

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Yup, selection of all formats lead through IPL. Tough luck Sarfaraz, Padikkal, Rathod, Smaran etc. Our selectors will play Tilak in all formats before they give any of these players a chance 

Paddikal plays IPL. Poor technique for Tests

[Ultimate_Game]

Just now, Lord said:

Paddikal plays IPL. Poor technique for Tests

 

So does Sarfaraz. My point is unless a player succeeds in IPL they're not gonna get a look in. Likes of Tilak will have a leg up over more deserving players for ODIs and Tests coz of IPL.

[BacktoCricaddict]

27 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

So does Sarfaraz. My point is unless a player succeeds in IPL they're not gonna get a look in. Likes of Tilak will have a leg up over more deserving players for ODIs and Tests coz of IPL.

People will bring up the fact that Bumrah emerged from IPL, which is true, but then the guy is a complete outlier. 

[Lord]

44 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

So does Sarfaraz. My point is unless a player succeeds in IPL they're not gonna get a look in. Likes of Tilak will have a leg up over more deserving players for ODIs and Tests coz of IPL.

Paddikal was very successful. Was a certainty for RCB. Sarfaraz was dropped after few games

 

 

[tapandrun]

12 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

People will bring up the fact that Bumrah emerged from IPL, which is true, but then the guy is a complete outlier. 

Bhumrah was playing fc for his domestic  side before ipl. Bowler who can sustain pace, get zip and bounce will succeed in all the formats.

 

Test batting is about defence and endurance, there can be a batter who has all the shots but no endurance wont succeed in tests. Limited atter with good defence and endurance has more chances in test.

 

T20 batting is about being super attacking and test batting is all about defence and endurance <-- these are 2 diff sports specially the new get t20 batters.

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

19 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Bhumrah was playing fc for his domestic  side before ipl. Bowler who can sustain pace, get zip and bounce will succeed in all the formats.

 

Test batting is about defence and endurance, there can be a batter who has all the shots but no endurance wont succeed in tests. Limited atter with good defence and endurance has more chances in test.

 

T20 batting is about being super attacking and test batting is all about defence and endurance <-- these are 2 diff sports specially the new get t20 batters.

 

Exactly. Which is why it's silly to choose test batsmen based on IPL stardom. But they're making that mistake again and again. 

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

Paddikal was very successful. Was a certainty for RCB. Sarfaraz was dropped after few games

 

 

 

I wouldn't call him very successful. He had a couple of decent games and RCB had to bring in Venky Iyer coz Padikkal wasn't able to make much of an impact. Patidar, Krunal and Tim David were the difference makers along with Venky when he was brought in.