Need complete overhaul of our bowling

[punjabi_khota]

Scrap the ODI format. :emc:

[I_India]

Our bowling is looking really bad.

[cowboysfan]

all i know is we have zero chance of winning the world cup with the present bowling setup,that should be an incentive for some change.

[graphic23]

Just to add some more numbers to the discussion, here's the record of all the bowlers in the world in the subcontinent (India, SL, Bang, Pak) in the last 3 years (01 Jan 2007 - Present), with the minimum requirement of more than 10 innings bowled in. http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;host=25;host=6;host=7;host=8;orderby=bowling_average;qualmax2=150;qualmin2=10;qualval2=innings_bowled;spanmin1=01+Jan+2007;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling Mendis at the top of list with 27 matches, 51 wickets, and an average of 19.27, but I figure if we take into consideration only 2009, that average will increase significantly. The best bowler for us has been Munaf Patel with an average of 28.65 with an E/R of 4.67.

[Lord]

If you guys take a deep breath and think through Fontaine's arguments instead of wildly jumping up and down, they make a lot of sense. The point here is not how can they bowl full tosses - what has the pitch got to do with that. The point being made is that non stop bowling on the greatest pattas in the history of humanity has shredded the confidence of all our bowlers. They don't know how to bowl those yorkers anymore because they are no longer in any bowling rhythm. Take Ishant Sharma's example - the continuous over dose of IPL and T20 on pattas has destroyed his bowling. He does not know what is right anymore and how to run in and bowl that right delivery anymore. The same deliveries which were jagging back in and bouncing at Perth and Brisbane are sitting up to be smashed till heavens come. What is he supposed to do? Well, he alters his length, his action, his grip, and pretty much has lost his entire bowling mechanism. Just to expand on the example of yorkers - these bowlers have certain things which they do to bowl a yorker - release from a certain point, certain shoulder movement change etc. But because their confidence and action is shot now, they cannot replicate it unerringly. Whenever a touring team comes to India, their bowlers also get smashed. The difference is that they can go back and work back their form in better conditions. Our bowlers just get slaughtered day in and day out and with the IPL in another couple of months expect them to go down the gutter even more. My suggestion is that if the pitches cannot be improved just keep Zaheer, Ishant, and Sreesanth exclusively for test matches - it won't happen but anyhow. The number of runs the Dindas and Gonys are going to give on these merciless wickets is not going to be much different, but at least our test bowlers will not think that they have lost the ability to bowl.

Pakistan bowlers also had to bowl on pattas.how do they continue to bowl well since ages.?how is Nuwan Kulasakera the no.5 ODI bowler in world,if the pitches have rendered the bowlered irrelevant

[akshayxyz]

in 2003 also - we did not have much problems with batting line up. I suspect 2011 is going to be no different. Only difference can be - in 2011 our bowling will be more consistent in failing.

[urbestfriend]

Get Karnataka's fast bowling trio to Indian team, they'll do a much better job :eyedance:

[akshayxyz]

Sehwag must be licking his lips everytime he sees zak/nehra bowl full tosses and wish he were in the opposition team.

[asterix]

Oh No!! Looks like Srilankan bowlers have not lost confidence even if they've been bowling on Patta wickets..Look at the clever way they bowled and used clever variations in todays match..It's upto us to keep burying our heads under the sand and say, there are no better options, can't help, change pitches etc.. There goes the absurd theory out of the window.. While I agree that that BCCI should do more to improve the condition of pitches, but that shouldn't be the excuse for bowlers to not learn and adapt themselves to new challenges..

[vvvslaxman]

http://beta.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/article77286.ece Dhoni miffed with bowlers performance India captain Mahendra Singh Dhoni once again came hard on his bowlers for their lacklustre display in the ongoing cricket tri-series here and said the bowling department need to improve their performance by leaps and bounds in his side desire to be the numero uno ODI team. Dhoni praised the batters of his team for their good showing but asked his bowlers to pull up their socks in India want to be consistent this year. “If we want to be in the number one spot, if we want to be consistent then we need to improve our performance in all departments, especially bowling. I want the bowlers to deliver when needed,” Dhoni said. The Indian bowlers misery at the death continued as they gave away 88 runs in the last 10 overs to see Bangladesh pile up a huge 296 for six in their allotted 50 overs. “We need to improve our performance by 50 per cent. I know that would be tough for the boys but that’s what is international cricket all about,” he said. The Indian skipper said although they lost three crucial wickets in Virender Sehwag, Gautam Gambhir and Yuvraj Singh early, they were always in control of the game. “I was never really worried as we had the second powerplay in hand. We were never really short of runs. We were always in reach of the target. So I and Virat decided to build up a partnership to lay the foundation and the plan worked,” Dhoni said. Meanwhile, his counterpart Shakib Al Hasan blamed his bowlers for the loss especially after posting 296 on the board. “We knew there gonna be dew but we knew it was a good batting track so we had to bat first. “Consistently we are getting runs and its a plus point for us. Hopefully, we will try to bowl a bit better in the coming matches,” Shakib said. He also praised Dhoni and young Virat Kohli for setting the platform for India’s victory with a 152-run fourth-wicket stand. “When we got the early wickets, we thought we got a chance but they (Dhoni and Kohli) got a very good partnership in the middle overs and played sensibly. All credit goes to India,” Shakib said.

[Fontaine]

Oh No!! Looks like Srilankan bowlers have not lost confidence even if they've been bowling on Patta wickets..Look at the clever way they bowled and used clever variations in todays match..It's upto us to keep burying our heads under the sand and say, there are no better options, can't help, change pitches etc.. There goes the absurd theory out of the window.. While I agree that that BCCI should do more to improve the condition of pitches, but that shouldn't be the excuse for bowlers to not learn and adapt themselves to new challenges..

No, the bowlers absolutely don't have any excuses in the way they have performed. There have been far too many wides and no balls conceded by all the bowlers, including spinners and their accuracy has been way off. I like the way Dhoni is handling this also. He's been extremely professional. While he's made it clear that we need a bowling coach and that the flat wickets and dew does hamper the bowling, he's made it absolutely clear that the bowlers need to do a much better job.

[The Outsider]

Pakistan bowlers also had to bowl on pattas.how do they continue to bowl well since ages.?how is Nuwan Kulasakera the no.5 ODI bowler in world' date='if the pitches have rendered the bowlered irrelevant[/quote'] Care to tell me what sterling things Pakistan's bowlers have achieved on pattas? Kulasekara is number 5 because he played in India for a series, before that he used to be number 1. Within a series he got smothered. That's the kind of things our bowlers have to contend with day in and out.

[Ram]

Just having a ruthlessly professional fielding unit will easily save us 20-30 runs every match. But we being Indians, I doubt if we could ever see that happening. I am grudgingly willing to buy the argument that bowling day in an day out of absolute batting paradises can have an adverse impact on the morale and the form of our bowlers, leading them to bowl more loose balls than normal. But, what about the no-balls and wides? I think we must have bowled at least 5-6 no balls in the first two games, which, in today's world of free-hits, is an absolute criminal offence. And if that wasnt good enough, the wides werent in short supply either. And what about the tactics? Our opening bowlers repeatedly kept feeding the rookie Lankan opener Thirimanna outside off-stump, to the point when the debutant opener casually carved his way to an important opening partnership with Tharanga. It took our bowlers more than 8 overs to figure out that outside off-stump was Thirimanna's strength and they had to straighten their lines and bowl at his body, at which point he was eventually dismissed. The damage was already done by then. Not just that, our 'experienced' bowlers looked absolutely clueless against the onslaught of Thissira Perera. He might very well be a dangerous striker, but the manner in which the rookie closed out the match against us was embarrassing. And the other day, Tamim Iqbal's free-hit six off Aashish Nehra was when the momentum of the innings decisively shifted. To think our bowlers conceded nearly 300 runs EVEN to a B'desh batting line-up is downright appalling. Look what the lankan pacers have managed to do against the same B'deshi batting unit - two total of around 250. To sum it up, our fast bowlers have not just erred in line and length in recent times, but they have also faltered in discipline and strategy. And i am not sure the 'repeated bowling on flat tracks has caused harm to their morale' theory can justify that.

[Ram]

Justifiable or unjustifiable, the status of our bowling attack's performance simply CANNOT continue for too much longer. Something has to be done at some point. Merely recycling the same old characters in the hope of a different result seems to the Pakistani way of trying to fix the situation. I like what VVS is suggesting in this thread - Either the guy has to be an extremely capable pacer, else, he should have one of batting or fielding as an additional forte. We cannot have a pacer regularly concede 6, 6.5 runs an over and then go into the outfield and provide escort services to the ball. I think there's a lot of merit in trying get back Irfan into the team, maybe along with Praveen Kumar. And I know Dhoni is simply not comfortable at all with bowling a spinner in the powerplays, but if we dont have adequately capable pacer anyway, we might as well go into a match with 2 pacers and 2 spinners. And is there any team in world cricket today whose nos. 8,9,10 and 11 are such incapable batsmen as ours? Having a pace attack that just turns up and bowls trash and a tail that is as long as a king cobra will cost us dearly. It cost us during the champions trophy, and then it cost us again during the Aussie series. We barely managed to hang on for dear life against Lanka, but that was only because Lanka itself is a mediocre team that was blighted by injuries. But, if we keep following this strategy of fielding pie-throwers who are terrible fielders/batsmen to boot, then we can kiss goodbye to our world cup chances, right at this moment. Either we play fast bowlers who are reasonable fielders at a minimum, or we play 2 spinners and 2 pacers. If MSD thinks he simply cannot bowl a spinner in PP, then lets play Irfan at no.7. I doubt if he could do much worse than Jadeja with the bat.

[graphic23]

Sriram, he's tried bowling spinners in power plays, and the returns we've gotten are not much different from how the pacers have been doing. He may have succeeded with that plan a while back but not anymore. I can recall quite a few matches when Harbhajan has bowled within the first 15 overs but the opposition still got away to a good start. Irfan is a superior bat to Jadeja, but as a bowler, he has proven to be far too expensive. Jadeja has been better (at least in the recent times).

[nballa]

Get Karnataka's fast bowling trio to Indian team, they'll do a much better job :eyedance:

lollllll they don't even look fast.

[vvvslaxman]

lollllll they don't even look fast.

That is one of the dumbest comment. How can anyone "look fast". You expect them to bat their eyelid at knot's speed?

[Laaloo]

lollllll they don't even look fast.

paki :hehe:

[urbestfriend]

That is one of the dumbest comment. How can anyone "look fast". You expect them to bat their eyelid at knot's speed?

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[nballa]

That is one of the dumbest comment. How can anyone "look fast". You expect them to bat their eyelid at knot's speed?

ever heard of body language, Rajesh. the guy in the middle is wearing batting gear for god's sake.