King Tendulkar Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Maybe he needs a rest! It probably would have been good for him to miss this odi series Link to comment
zen Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I would like a line up like the below for the next ODI series: - Sachin - Sehwag - Gambhir - Kohli - UV - Dhoni - Jadeja / IP (Irfan) - Mishra* - Zak* - Sree* / Bhajji* If IP is playing - Nehra* The bowlers* can be rotated based on form I am not a big fan for 7+4 combination as to play that you need some pretty good bowlers (like McGrath and Warne) as a part of 4 bowlers. I believe that if you can afford to play a bowling all-rounder at 7 then do that without hesitation. And with a top 6 like that you shouldn't be worrying much abt the batting Link to comment
Ram Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 He has played remarkably well in the last few ODIs, but unfortunately, he has go to. That is the way team sports works. You cannot overlook proven performers just because a newcomer has used a handful of chances and put in some good performances. Part of the process of building a good team fabric is to make sure the all the team members have a sense of security about their place in their side. So, even if a player is injured or is being rested, he will know that he will get his place back once he's fit and ready to go, even if his replacement had performed well in the time he way away from the side. But, a place can be made for Kohli in the side, if the team is willing to sacrifice Jadeja and play 7 specialist batsmen. But the flip-side of that strategy is that there's a good chance we maybe wasting most of our batting positions since 7 specialist batsmen is probably a bit too much. So unless someone in the current set-up goes terribly out of form, or if Jadeja proves increasingly ineffective with the ball, Kohli may not get a place in the eleven for a while at least. Link to comment
zen Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 ^ no Raina? In a line up like mines where I am playing 6 batsmen, it would be Raina vs Kohli. Somehow I feel that Kohli is more determined at the crease and slightly more solid .... Raina appears more like a quick 30-40 runs players who can bat at 6. To bat him at 6, Yuvi will have to bat at 4, which I think is a place higher for him. He is more like a number 5 or 6 and you don't want too many players who are like #5 or #6 in your line up But if these guys are in good form then yeah you could play Raina at 6 with others moving up the order. Flexibility and having options help Link to comment
Sachinism Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 In a line up like mines where I am playing 6 batsmen, it would be Raina vs Kohli. Somehow I feel that Kohli is more determined at the crease and slightly more solid .... Raina appears more like a quick 30-40 runs players who can bat at 6. To bat him at 6, Yuvi will have to bat at 4, which I think is a place higher for him. He is more like a number 5 or 6 and you don't want too many players who are like #5 or #6 in your line up But if these guys are in good form then yeah you could play Raina at 6 with others moving up the order. Flexibility and having options help Raina has been used down the order, they've always saved him for the final few overs. Its not really his fault he has been made to bat at that position. He has done well in the role he has been used for. Link to comment
zen Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Raina has been used down the order' date=' they've always saved him for the final few overs. Its not really his fault he has been made to bat at that position. He has done well in the role he has been used for.[/quote'] I am talking more in terms of solidity (technique) and determination where I feel Kohli has a slight edge (but that doesn't imply that Raina is totally lacking in those) The good thing abt India batting is that it has a nice mix: (Grp 1) Solid test level players (averaging around 50 or more) who can do well in both formats: Tendulkar, Sehwag and Gambhir (Grp 2) Superb limited overs players who can do well in tests too: Yuvi and Dhoni Raina is more like in 2nd group player, while Kohli appears more like a player who can be slotted in b/w those two groups If I am playing Kohli then it's for one of the 3 to 5 positions, if I am playing Raina, it's more for 5 to 6 positions Playing which one also depends up on what type of combination is needed but I would start out with Kohli at 4 and if he is not doing well or not in form then bat UV at 4 with Raina coming in at 6. Rohit Sharma would be in the similar slot as Kohli's. If you are playing these two then ideally you should bat them not lower than 5 Link to comment
riya Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Well it would be sad if Kohli is dropped from the side.At the same time it is awesome to watch India's batting bench strength.We can use rotation policy here looking at Yuvi's injury history. Link to comment
Master Blaster Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Just drop SRT:winky: Kohli = Future Link to comment
saneindian Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Amazing to see Kohli churn out these scores. A problem of plenty is never a headache, rather its a healthy sign and will inspire whoever is in the team to keep performing consistently. Also hopefully with today's rotation producing great results, hopefully MSD becomes a little proactive in giving the fringe players in the squad a chance. Most often he sticks with the same set of players far too often, which has brought him lot of great results, but at times its good to keep giginvg youngsters in the squad a chance. Link to comment
spectre Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Raina is more like in 2nd group player, while Kohli appears more like a player who can be slotted in b/w those two groups If I am playing Kohli then it's for one of the 3 to 5 positions, if I am playing Raina, it's more for 5 to 6 positions Where were you when Raina rampaged in NZ and Asia cup coming in at 1 down Just few good innings from Kohli and he straightaway comes before Raina Raina is given a role down the order since he is a better striker, If Kohli comes in @ No.6 or 7, he can also play only those 20s or 30s since our batting order is soo good I think Dhoni feels more secure of the batting lineup having Raina @ No.6 and not any other young player. He knows something goes wrong, he and Raina can do the repair work and strike at will when needed Swap Raina and Kohli positions and you will see the difference in scores and approach P.S - This is no way to bring down Kohli, he is also good and i like this guy just an answer to the above quote Link to comment
Cricketics Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Two of the most exciting cricketers to have emerged. Shouldn't be compared. We are lucky to have them in our Indian team. Link to comment
jusarrived Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 can't bet on Kohli but Raina smacked the !t out of all ur 'quality pacers' in IPL 1 & 2 he did that in the CT game too , even though we lost ..remember the straight six he hit of Aamer ? Link to comment
Show_stopper Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 he did that in the CT game too ' date=' even though we lost ..remember the straight six he hit of Aamer ?[/quote'] Was Gul. Was an awesome shot though. Link to comment
jusarrived Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Was Gul. Was an awesome shot though. yeah ? so was it GG who tonked Aamer ? Link to comment
Karan114 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 yeah ? so was it GG who tonked Aamer ? Yep Link to comment
The Dark Horse Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 My heart says Raina but stats say Kohli:(( But Raina doesnt have much time these days to consolidate.. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Both. For Tests Kohli is definitely ahead. He nicely builds the innings without any fuss. Link to comment
zen Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 What I wrote is self explainatory! I don't think Raina is bad but am saying that Kohli could be a better option (and also depending up on form). I also spoke about factors like perceived solidity in technique and determination One thing I don't like about Raina is that he starts off attackingly and then settles down. If he gets through that initial stage then he tends to do well Also batting in the top 4 in 25 games, he averages 32.2. I think Kohli can do better than that. If Ind is looking for someone at 5 or 6 then Raina would be a better option. Note I am saying better so its not like picking one automatically implies that other is not good I know what you wrote, I am giving my opinion after most things considered. But whoever the management picks, I hope he does well Link to comment
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