The definitive FTB and 4th innings choker!

[Bublu Bhuyan]

I didn't see anyone mention the 190 odd that he hit in Melbourne' date=' where many of our batsmen failed, in bowler friendly conditions[/quote'] So you want me to take one knock of his and forget the rest of his failures? In that case even Inzamam has a Test century against Australia and most importantly in Australia, which should suggest that he was quite good against them, irrespective of the fact that he averages 30 odd against them in his entire career.

Viru is an amazing player, who can work in any conditions.

Then why exactly does he average mere 38 odd outside the subcontinent whereas guys like Tendulkar and Dravid average more than 50 there?

[Bublu Bhuyan]

oh Bublu :facepalm:

Blame those stats, not me.

[Bublu Bhuyan]

On those same flat tracks, how many batsman have scored 5000+ runs at a strike rate of 90+ against the new ball on fresh pithces? What a way to run down a once in a lifetime player.

I never claimed that Indian conditions are easy to bat on. Did I? He has scored those runs, but guess what? Those conditions are not alien to him. Those are home conditions where he grew up playing and with whom he is familiar with. And mind you I'm trying to point out his weaknesses, not strengths. What you have pointed out is his strength, whereas what I have pointed out are his weaknesses. You cannot hide his weaknesses just by showing off the areas he is good at. That still won't hide those gaping holes in his career.

[The Outsider]

I never claimed that Indian conditions are easy to bat on. Did I? He has scored those runs, but guess what? Those conditions are not alien to him. Those are home conditions where he grew up playing and with whom he is familiar with.

Not at all. You claimed he is a FTB clearly implying that batting outside the subcontinent is much more difficult than batting in the subcontinent.

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Not at all. You claimed he is a FTB clearly implying that batting outside the subcontinent is much more difficult than batting in the subcontinent.

Batting in alien conditions is much more difficult, and in Viru's case those alien conditions are outside Asia.

[The Outsider]

Batting in alien conditions is much more difficult' date=' and in Viru's case those alien conditions are outside Asia.[/quote'] So, a track is flat or not depending on who is batting on it? Durban was a green top with bounce for India and became a flat track when South Africa batted on it?

[ViruRulez]

A single series does not make anyone an FTB .. he plays in his own style and maybe it does not click as often in bouncy and seaming tracks but he will click on his day and that does not depend on conditions... dont forget that he was nursing a shoulder problem in this series

[Bublu Bhuyan]

So' date=' a track is flat or not depending on who is batting on it? Durban was a green top with bounce for India and became a flat track when South Africa batted on it?[/quote'] I guess I shouldn't have used the world FTB, but rather HTB/SB.

[Bublu Bhuyan]

A single series does not make anyone an FTB .. he plays in his own style and maybe it does not click as often in bouncy and seaming tracks but he will click on his day and that does not depend on conditions... dont forget that he was nursing a shoulder problem in this series

Okay, here I'll cut him some slack.

[The Outsider]

I guess I shouldn't have used the world FTB' date=' but rather HTB/SB.[/quote'] I really love the coinage of these new terms based on queries on stats guru. We had FTB, when that did not fit some batsmen use HTB. When that does not work either STB. Soon we will have a Northern Hemisphere Bully, Southern Hemisphere Bully, Thames River Bully, Table Top Mountain Bully. Carry on..... EDIT : By the way, Sehwag was the second highest scorer from either side on the fastest and greenest pitch of the series, Durban.

[zen]

So you want me to take one knock of his and forget the rest of his failures? In that case even Inzamam has a Test century against Australia and most importantly in Australia, which should suggest that he was quite good against them, irrespective of the fact that he averages 30 odd against them in his entire career. Then why exactly does he average mere 38 odd outside the subcontinent whereas guys like Tendulkar and Dravid average more than 50 there?

How can a FTB hit 190 odd on bowler friendly conditions like those in Melbourne? Like what many have pointed out, you have assumed that every pitch in sub continent is a flat track, while every track outside is not, which is quite hilarious :giggle: .... I guess then we have to discard the innings like he played at Nagpur against SA, when Steyn was on fire, the one he played at Galle against Mendis and Murali, etc. Also I don't understand you complaining abt the avg of 38, despite me clearly stating the following: 1. Sehwag plays with an extraordinary high SR 2. He opens the innings so many times he is batting in the first hour of the play where bowlers are fresh and the ball is doing something and at times batting at the close of the day, which anyone will tell us is a difficult period 3. Stats w/o context is pointless. That avg of 38 is higher than some of the other openers like Anwar, Attapattu The way Sehwag plays he gives bowlers more chances than most other batsmen. In bowler friendly conditions, a bowler is bound to capatilize on condition favoring them more. If a player with a career SR of 80 abg 38, in conditions that are helping the bowlers then it says a lot abt that player, and not to mentions some of the gems that he has played in difficult conditions I wouldn't waste much time on you as for me you are presenting the stats w/o understanding them or want to prove what you want to prove and picked out those stats hoping that they will prove what you want to prove. No need to say that you have failed on those counts! Also many folks here have followed Sehwag career since he made is debut with that 100 in SA. So most of us know what Sehwag is capable of. :winky:

[punjabi_khota]

I have a theory: These stats based, against-the-popular-opinion-for-the-heck-of-it threads that we see on a regular basis have a common motive: To prove the (fake) superiority of the poster as thinking outside the box, and having a different opinion than the masses (or the fan-boys). In this very thread, we have seen such phrases by OP as "I am willing to cut some slack", or "Difference between me and you fan-boys...". Never mind that he is green-washed fool, who jerks off while thinking of going on long drives with his imaginary gf in his imaginary new car, talking about one of the greatest test bats ever. Or the now awol poster patriot or that ravishing poster who doesn't get that fact the #1 is ****ING #1, and claims that "India is #1 for lesser souls"

[Ram]

Oh Bublu Bublu Bublu...:facepalm: If anything, I agree with the final line of the post;

= Case closed, point proven, that I'm deluded.

[Andy]

I really love the coinage of these new terms based on queries on stats guru. We had FTB, when that did not fit some batsmen use HTB. When that does not work either STB. Soon we will have a Northern Hemisphere Bully, Southern Hemisphere Bully, Thames River Bully, Table Top Mountain Bully. Carry on..... EDIT : By the way, Sehwag was the second highest scorer from either side on the fastest and greenest pitch of the series, Durban.

:hatsoff:

[Laaloo]

A cracked up 5th day Sri lankan wicket is not a Flat track. He scored a 200 when the rest of the team managed a 100. Similarly' date=' he was the only batsman to succeed in NZ back in 2002/03. He is no FTB but he just doesn't give enough respect to the conditions.

This is it. If any idiot watched our last tour of NZ, then they would have seen that all the pitches were flat. He just didn't give respect to the opposition, and hence his low average.

No. That is a criteria set by self loathing Desi cricket fans who are brainwashed into thinking that people with lesser or little skills can succeed playing Test cricket in Indian conditions. Now no matter what stats I put you will simply not accept them but you will realize what I say ONLY when you go to say a place like Chennai in end of March and survive just standing outside on the road for just an hour or so. Sehwag did that for 9 continuous sessions ( or 3 days ) of which he was fielding for most part of the first 2 days and bowled 11 overs and then came back and batted for more than a day and spanked the happiness of the SA bowlers.

On those same flat tracks, how many batsman have scored 5000+ runs at a strike rate of 90+ against the new ball on fresh pithces? What a way to run down a once in a lifetime player.

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[Roshanrocks]

BB i direct ur attention to your thread, u missed a ten milestone stat :aha:

[saneindian]

I never claimed that Indian conditions are easy to bat on. Did I? He has scored those runs, but guess what? Those conditions are not alien to him. Those are home conditions where he grew up playing and with whom he is familiar with. And mind you I'm trying to point out his weaknesses, not strengths. What you have pointed out is his strength, whereas what I have pointed out are his weaknesses. You cannot hide his weaknesses just by showing off the areas he is good at. That still won't hide those gaping holes in his career.

Wish you were trying to be as harmless with your OP as you are pontificating. It's quite clear what the intentions here are. BTW even before this series, Sehwag's record in those "alien" conditions were nearly the same. WOnder why did not point to those weaknesses earlier. Why this sudden interest? Oh wait, he failed in a series after a long time. What better time than now to run down a legend.

[King Tendulkar]

He had a bad series yes, due more to mental mistakes more then anything else. But this thread is way OTT

[coffee_rules]

Since when did 4th innings superior stats prove that he is not a FTB? Tendulkar, Sehwag, IVAR and Hayden/Langer/:punter: have proved that a great first innings performance is what wins matches most times.