Dhoni, the MOST GUTLESS CAPTAIN in the history of Indian cricket.

[Sidhoni]

F u al who are opposing Dhoni atm:finger:, Bell did not make much of a difference after lunch, just 20 runs, and even if he had not been called back, it would not have made a big effect on the game given the form of Prior and the way Bresnan batted.

[jaggadaku]

wwjMwVW2LjY he was clearly going for the 4th run, and umpire calls it over after dhoni whips the bails off. Dhoni has been made a chewitya by Strauss and flower

[CG]

F u al who are opposing Dhoni atm:finger:' date=' Bell did not make much of a difference after lunch, just 20 runs, and even if he had not been called back, it would not have made a big effect on the game given the form of Prior and the way Bresnan batted.[/quote'] did you watch the game? it had a impact they could have been 215-4 with trot unfit it mean 215-5 but after tea they added 70 runs more ,it did make a difference ,coming at 215 lead and 300 lead is different and the indian players were not the same after tea. M vaughan has clearly said bell acted and english team made a fool of india if you are an indian fan you should be gutted.

[NareshK]

THE MOST GUTLESS THREAD IN THE HISTORY OF THE INTERNET.:icflove:

[Sidhoni]

did you watch the game? it had a impact they could have been 215-4 with trot unfit it mean 215-5 but after tea they added 70 runs more ,it did make a difference ,coming at 215 lead and 300 lead is different and the indian players were not the same after tea. M vaughan has clearly said bell acted and english team made a fool of india if you are an indian fan you should be gutted.

But after tea, bell was not looking dangerous at all and Morgan was the one doing the damage, so if he would have been out at tea, Prior would have been the one coming in, and he would have made runs at a greater pace than Bell did after tea.

[akshayxyz]

Just saw the video of Bell's dismissal. What Dhoni did sure was magnanimous, but to it wasn't in the 'Spirit of the game'. It is Bell's duty to keep his eyes on the ball when he was running. If he slackened for whatever reason, it is totally his fault. What kind of a batsman hangs around in the middle of the pitch. He should have made it to the crease in quick time. Bell's dismissal was completely within the rules of the game and was by his own misreading of the situation. If he collided with a fielder when taking a run and was run out, I can agree with Dhoni calling him back. But this re-call was not according to the 'spirit of the game'

This +1 and also against spirit of the game is - Not accepting umpire's decision and going begging in opponent's camp, esp after players having left the field. Reminds me countless examples from playing chess in nursery-kg days..you make a move, and didn't notice some queen/rook is immediately exposed and then you beg the opponent to take back the move...ohh it still happens when I play with my nephew. Not that it would have changed the course of the match drastically - but this whole "spirit of the game" is utter crap. And taking the decision back is reflection of our attitude ( lack of ruthlessness).

[Mariyam]

This +1 and also against spirit of the game is - Not accepting umpire's decision and going begging in opponent's camp, esp after players having left the field. Reminds me countless examples from playing chess in nursery-kg days..you make a move, and didn't notice some queen/rook is immediately exposed and then you beg the opponent to take back the move...ohh it still happens when I play with my nephew. Not that it would have changed the course of the match drastically - but this whole "spirit of the game" is utter crap. And taking the decision back is reflection of our attitude ( lack of ruthlessness).

To add to your point. This act has probably only put a halo around Dhoni's head in the eyes of the English media and the English people. But in this act of getting a self-beatification harmed the Indian team. That too when we were trailing the series. Personally speaking, after 2 test matches, I would prefer a regular Dhoni and 1-0 deficit than a saint Dhoni and a 2-0 deficit. But thats just me. What do I know about the spirit of cricket, PS: I wasn't like that as a kid. When my grand father taught me the game of chess, he made me sit on my hands, so that I never made a move in haste. I never got chances to take back moves :((

[Chandan]

My question to those who are opposing the Dhoni's move is: Have you supported the same if it had happened to Sachin instead of Bell? I know many of you would have whinged endlessly for years...If you oppose Dhoni's decision now, you would lose the moral authority to whinge when it happens to one of our players..You can't have both ways.

No we would not have. Instead Sachin would have received plenty of brickbats for being arrogant/stupid/ fool/naive/complacent/taking things for granted, had he done a Bell. There was nothing that Indian team did wrong or against the spirit by running Bell out then , nor any other team would have, had the shoe been on other foot.

[akshayxyz]

^@ #151 P.S. Earlier this year, when I had my 'mean hat' on - I thrashed my nephew (about 8 y.o.) in 3-4 chess games in a row. Seeing his sad face, I explained to him, why he must always play with better player and not worry about losses. And suggested him to always play with the best player in his class to improve his game. To which he immediately replied - "But that wont improve the game for that 'best player', then why would he play with me?" Thats offtopic but the hidden message is - It requires imagination/anticipation/... lot more preparation to stay at the top, forget about winning every game - esp when others are hungrier to replace you.

[The Outsider]

You think he wasn't? Ok, then he has to answer even stiffer questions then, isn't it? What was he doing out of his crease towards his partner then, if he was not running for the 4th run? And can he please answer my other questions I asked my in ealier post? Why should hot spot only be examined when English players and media question it and HE/VE will not be examined despite Indian players and Indian media crying hoarse about it since ages? WHY IS ENGLAND SUPPOSED TO BE THE BE ALL AND END ALL EVEN IN THE FIELD?

I'll just stick to the Bell incident in isolation because like I said I don't believe in the 'they did this, so we should do that'. My viewing of the incident is that Bell started for the fourth run, took a few paces and then got the impression that it was a boundary. Given that it was the last ball before tea, he kept walking rather than going back and grounding his bat. Hardly attempting to take a run. Dhoni did the right thing by recalling Bell, though I don't agree with posters who are trivializing the impact of the incident on the match situation - India were by no means out of the game at that point and there was a realistic chance of restricting the chase to 300-325 since the new ball would be available soon.

[Trichromatic]

This +1 and also against spirit of the game is - Not accepting umpire's decision and going begging in opponent's camp, esp after players having left the field. Reminds me countless examples from playing chess in nursery-kg days..you make a move, and didn't notice some queen/rook is immediately exposed and then you beg the opponent to take back the move...ohh it still happens when I play with my nephew. Not that it would have changed the course of the match drastically - but this whole "spirit of the game" is utter crap. And taking the decision back is reflection of our attitude ( lack of ruthlessness).

Struass' decision to ask opponents was against the spirit of the game. No one booed them for this. In fact England team is being praised for their sportsmanshipt. :WTF: :facepalm: Hypocrisy at it's highest level. It was not against spirit of the game to dismiss a careless batsman. If you want to play the game against the rules, then go and play gully cricket where assumptions are allowed.

[Trichromatic]

To add to your point. This act has probably only put a halo around Dhoni's head in the eyes of the English media and the English people. But in this act of getting a self-beatification harmed the Indian team. That too when we were trailing the series. Personally speaking, after 2 test matches, I would prefer a regular Dhoni and 1-0 deficit than a saint Dhoni and a 2-0 deficit. But thats just me. What do I know about the spirit of cricket, PS: I wasn't like that as a kid. When my grand father taught me the game of chess, he made me sit on my hands, so that I never made a move in haste. I never got chances to take back moves :((

Mariyam, you'll never see any instance in other games where players' don't pay for their mistake about start of the game, end of the game, following whistle etc. Decision was changed for the crowd and for the sake of image. Bad day for sports because rules were not followed. If you can get away with assumptions then what's the point of having rules. Why there is start of play and end of play? Overall incident has nothing to do with spirit of the cricket. Spirit of cricket never says that batsman should be allowed to make their own assumptions and not follow the rules. Collision, injuries - exemptions in those cases are probably allowed in all sports according their spirit. But none of those allow walking away with certain rules. If anything that was against the spirit of the game, then it was Strauss asking Dhoni to change his decision. It means that you're not considering umpire's decision as final. Disgraceful.

[CG]

I'll just stick to the Bell incident in isolation because like I said I don't believe in the 'they did this, so we should do that'. My viewing of the incident is that Bell started for the fourth run, took a few paces and then got the impression that it was a boundary. Given that it was the last ball before tea, he kept walking rather than going back and grounding his bat. Hardly attempting to take a run. Dhoni did the right thing by recalling Bell, though I don't agree with posters who are trivializing the impact of the incident on the match situation - India were by no means out of the game at that point and there was a realistic chance of restricting the chase to 300-325 since the new ball would be available soon.

Agree for most part except bell relized his mistake halfway as did morgan and acted as if he knew nothing and fooled indians as m vaughan mentioned ,its a disgrace on fact of bell .

[goose]

I'll just stick to the Bell incident in isolation because like I said I don't believe in the 'they did this, so we should do that'. My viewing of the incident is that Bell started for the fourth run, took a few paces and then got the impression that it was a boundary. Given that it was the last ball before tea, he kept walking rather than going back and grounding his bat. Hardly attempting to take a run. Dhoni did the right thing by recalling Bell, though I don't agree with posters who are trivializing the impact of the incident on the match situation - India were by no means out of the game at that point and there was a realistic chance of restricting the chase to 300-325 since the new ball would be available soon.

No no no! Please watch Bell carefully! He did not get the sudden impression that it was a boundary as you say. His whole body flinched once the sight of Morgan sticking his bat down alerted him to the mess he was in. He then proceeded to cheat his way out. He thought it was a four, and felt he had plenty of time to run the 4th just in case.

[CG]

No no no! Please watch Bell carefully! He did not get the sudden impression that it was a boundary as you say. His whole body flinched once the sight of Morgan sticking his bat down alerted him to the mess he was in. He then proceeded to cheat his way out. He thought it was a four' date=' and felt he had plenty of time to run the 4th just in case.[/quote'] spot on and we fell for it ,how the hell dravid,tendulkar,laxman allow this to happen is beyond me , we were scared of crowd booing us and how in the hell is it related to spirit of cricket dhoni should ask himself " HAVE I MADE IT LARGE"

[cowboysfan]

Imo dhoni did the right thing,lets win and lose with dignity.

[goose]

The laws of the game were broken on several counts and the game brought into disrepute by Bell, Flower, Strauss, the ECB and ICC and I genuinely feel sorry for anyone that can't see that. It is also true that Dhoni should not have have changed his mind but that is not what makes me angry about this whole incident.

[kabira]

^ I am completely agree with you there Goose.

[Sachinism]

The laws of the game were broken on several counts and the game brought into disrepute by Bell' date=' Flower, Strauss, the ECB and ICC and I genuinely feel sorry for anyone that can't see that. It is also true that Dhoni should not have have changed his mind but that is not what makes me angry about this whole incident.[/quote'] 100% agree. Its amazing people can't see this crap

[Chandan]

I'll just stick to the Bell incident in isolation because like I said I don't believe in the 'they did this, so we should do that'. My viewing of the incident is that Bell started for the fourth run, took a few paces and then got the impression that it was a boundary. Given that it was the last ball before tea, he kept walking rather than going back and grounding his bat. Hardly attempting to take a run. Dhoni did the right thing by recalling Bell, though I don't agree with posters who are trivializing the impact of the incident on the match situation - India were by no means out of the game at that point and there was a realistic chance of restricting the chase to 300-325 since the new ball would be available soon.

But earlier you were quite certain that he didn't even take off for the 4th run.

^ Come on' date=' Chandan just watching the clip can you honestly claim that Bell was running the fourth run? I don't subscribe to the notion that if other teams have done something against the spirit of the game, then Indian players should do the same.[/quote'] I agree that England were fully in control of the match at that time and even Bell's dismissal wouldn't have mattered much to them. What I don't understand is where did India violate the spirit of the game by running him out there? Is a batsman correct to assume himself that a ball has gone for 4 without umpire signalling it and then free to wander to non striker's end to his partner to shake hands for the good shot? Is a batsman correct to assume that it is tea time without umpire removing the bails and then march off the grounds? Who was violating not only the spirit but rules also? And finally why did we call him back for acting like arrogant fellow who had taken upon himself to decide things before an umpire could do so? Someone please explain!!!