Shami ahmed-First impression..!!!

[rkt.india]

Nice analysis. Bhuvi actually does go inside his right shoulder to deliver and hence does not use his shoulder strength fully. He is very wrist dependant. It would not be easy for him to increase pace with this action, like Hilfy has . Hilfy's action uses his right shoulder more. I think PK has an action similar to BK in some ways and he too finds it difficult to hit the deck hard. This action is more conducive to floating the ball.

No, PK had better action. He could do both things outswing and inswing but his ounswing was better because he used to bowl from a straighter arm and used his wrist to swing the ball both ways but his flaws were in his runup and followthrough as they were nonexistent. PK is like a quicker version of Kumble. Look at Anderson who swings the ball both ways too but uses his wrist and seam position for different type of swings rather than his arm. BK gets great inswing due his arm coming inside the right shoulder but that does lead to loss of pace.

[putrevus]

No' date=' PK had better action. He could do both things outswing and inswing but his ounswing was better because he used to bowl from a straighter arm and used his wrist to swing the ball both ways but his flaws were in his runup and followthrough as they were nonexistent. PK is like a quicker version of Kumble. Look at Anderson who swings the ball both ways too but uses his wrist and seam position for different type of swings rather than his arm. BK gets great inswing due his arm coming inside the right shoulder but that does lead to loss of pace.[/quote'] inswing bowler in general are less successful than outswing bowlers am i right?

[Old guy]

inswing bowler in general are less successful than outswing bowlers am i right?

yeah but most in swing bowler have decent bowl which holds up its line so that makes them dangerous ..but most batsmen can deal with just inswing easily...but if you can bowl them both ways that makes you world class :--D

[CSK Fan]

yeah but most in swing bowler have decent bowl which holds up its line so that makes them dangerous ..but most batsmen can deal with just inswing easily...but if you can bowl them both ways that makes you world class :--D

You don't need to swing it both ways, as long as you has one which just holds up. For example, Steyn's variation is not an inswing, his delivery just holds the line and goes straight. It is very effective as his regular balls swings a lot, so batsmen get trapped LBW or bowled on his straighter ones. Similarly for an inswing bowler, if his variation is one which holds his line, he can get the batsmen to edge behind Just check the first two wickets here The balls are outswingers which don't swing much but just enough. The third is an inswinger which swings like crazy 4es_0rsvaNQ

[Old guy]

You don't need to swing it both ways, as long as you has one which just holds up. For example, Steyn's variation is not an inswing, his delivery just holds the line and goes straight. It is very effective as his regular balls swings a lot, so batsmen get trapped LBW or bowled on his straighter ones. Similarly for an inswing bowler, if his variation is one which holds his line, he can get the batsmen to edge behind Just check the first two wickets here The balls are outswingers which don't swing much but just enough. The third is an inswinger which swings like crazy 4es_0rsvaNQ

Bhuvi swings them both ways and Steyn has pace and he swings them from UN playable areas .. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

[Old guy]

Sorry I cannot see video on mobile but I guess it's video of bhuvi :p Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

[rkt.india]

inswing bowler in general are less successful than outswing bowlers am i right?

It is mostly opposite in Indian FC cricket. Low bounce pitches, edges do not carry to slips, so I have seen more predominantly inswing bowlers than outswing bowlers in domestic though most of them have the ability to hold the ball straight but great outswing. Inswing brings LBW and bowled into play more than outswing.

[rkt.india]

You don't need to swing it both ways, as long as you has one which just holds up. For example, Steyn's variation is not an inswing, his delivery just holds the line and goes straight. It is very effective as his regular balls swings a lot, so batsmen get trapped LBW or bowled on his straighter ones. Similarly for an inswing bowler, if his variation is one which holds his line, he can get the batsmen to edge behind Just check the first two wickets here The balls are outswingers which don't swing much but just enough. The third is an inswinger which swings like crazy 4es_0rsvaNQ[/youtub

yes, he does that but they are not proper outswingers. They more more often ball just holds it line. He does swign away from right handers but they are mostly far wide of off stump. His bowling action needs a bit of technical rectification and with his seam and wrist position he can be even better even will gain pace if he does that. His use of left can be better and lateral flexion can be reduced. His body is flexible, otherwise, he would get lot of injuries with the present action which puts too much pressure on his left side of the back.

[Vilander]

Recently, Cricinfo updated his status from fast-medium to fast. Few bowlers have increased their pace mid-career, especially to world-class level. cricinfo is anti indian website mostly, shami seems to be bowling faster than NCN but NCN is 'fast' shami probably would be listed 'medium' ...hell yadav was listed 'medium' for a long time now he is 'fast medium'. I dont read much into their descriptions, its based on what the bowler apparently bowls if he is 138 + average he is fast..shami is 140 average in the three games he bowled that's faster than what Yadav managed in some games, although Yadav definitely bowls much quicker peaks and uses more slower ones.. But yeah Ryan Harris is a special bowler aus spearhead now.

[express bowling]

Recently' date=' Cricinfo updated his status from fast-medium to fast. Few bowlers have increased their pace mid-career, especially to world-class level.[/color'] cricinfo is anti indian website mostly, shami seems to be bowling faster than NCN but NCN is 'fast' shami probably would be listed 'medium' ...hell yadav was listed 'medium' for a long time now he is 'fast medium'. I dont read much into their descriptions, its based on what the bowler apparently bowls if he is 138 + average he is fast..shami is 140 average in the three games he bowled that's faster than what Yadav managed in some games, although Yadav definitely bowls much quicker peaks and uses more slower ones.. But yeah Ryan Harris is a special bowler aus spearhead now.

You have made a very good point here. This topic deserves a separate thread. You can make it . Cricinfo is definitely an anti Indian bowler website for sure. According to them -- Umesh , who bowls 137 to 150 k , is Fast Medium !! Aaron , who bowls similar speeds, is medium. !! Shami is medium, !! Srinath, who was at times quicker than Donald, is Fast-medium. !! NCN, who bowls 135 to 142 k, is Fast. Cricinfo's classification cannot be trusted.

[Vilander]

Impressive spell today, I think he has just edged past Yadav today. 140-145 with swing in tests is just too good..:yay:

[rkt.india]

Impressive spell today' date=' I think he has just edged past Yadav today. 140-145 with swing in tests is just too good..:yay:[/quote'] He is mostly 135-140, quickest 142.

[Old guy]

wow..this guy is quickly becoming our main bowler

[ShebbySB]

He is mostly 135-140' date=' quickest 142.[/quote'] Very very impressive,can bowl even quicker.........

[Zanjeer]

wow..this guy is quickly becoming our main bowler

why are you laughing about it????

[asterix]

Yaddu lacks consistency... Shami just edged ahead... It's now a battle between Ishu & Yaddu...

[Lord]

picked 3 wickets already,last time Ishant did that was in Lords 2011

[Old guy]

why are you laughing about it????

i am happy :dontknow:

[express bowling]

Surprised at Umesh's exclusion. It should have been Umesh and Shami playing.

[rkt.india]

Yaddu lacks consistency... Shami just edged ahead... It's now a battle between Ishu & Yaddu...

But he picks wickets.