Bublu Bhuyan Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 I'm asking this because I don't rate him at all. He's a robotic accumulator who has appeared selfish to me throughout his entire career, and has this tendency to go missing during difficult conditions. I simply don't rate Kallis, the batsman anywhere even close to someone like Ponting, let alone anywhere near Tendulkar or Lara. How highly do you rate him as a batsman?
JaFanatic Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 i personally rate him next to dravid he's one of the most solid and dependable batsman in tests
rkt.india Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 He is not selfish. He has his limitations and he plays within them as well as any.
ravishingravi Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 He is not selfish. He has his limitations and he plays within them as well as any. What are his limitation s?
JaFanatic Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 a batsman who scores a hundred in 142 balls in an odi and cost his team's victory is surely a selfish bug
Pagalpanti Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 ^By that logic even Dravid, Ganguly were selfish?
Bublu Bhuyan Posted August 3, 2012 Author Posted August 3, 2012 ^By that logic even Dravid is selfish? Dravid didn't go missing till 2006 during difficult times. That's the difference.
diga Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Zak + Tendulkar = Kallis... Even Tendlya is selfish & is a mere accumulator of runs these days.
rkt.india Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 What are his limitation s? limitations like Dravid had in terms of scoring rate. He takes his own time to get set and score runs but that rarely matters in test cricket.
Bublu Bhuyan Posted August 3, 2012 Author Posted August 3, 2012 This article sums up my true opinion on Kallis - Link: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/kallis-is-a-selfish-batsman-a-boring-bowler/396205/2 'Kallis is a selfish batsman, a boring bowler' He may boast of the best statistics of among all-rounders but players refuse to place South Africa's Jacques Kallis in the league of extraordinary gentlemen -- India's Kapil Dev, West Indies' Sir Gary Sobers, Pakistan's Imran Khan or England's Ian Botham. Kallis has scored 9801 runs in 125 Tests at an average of 55.06 and taken 245 wickets at a highly respectable 30.92. He has scored 30 centuries, but never made a double hundred. The figures are well ahead of Sobers, who made 8032 runs at 57.78 in 93 Tests and took 235 wickets at 34.03, to be widely regarded as the game's greatest all-rounder. But Kallis is a "selfish cricketer", feels Keith Stackpole, who scored seven tons in 43 Tests as an opener. "He doesn't rate against players such as Gary Sobers, Imran Khan, Keith Miller, Adam Gilchrist, Richard Hadlee, Kapil Dev and Ian Botham," he was quoted as saying by the 'Herald Sun'. "You watch him bat and you are left with the feeling he bats for his average. And you ask yourself, 'Would I have wanted to play with him?'. The answer is no because he plays for himself," he added. Former Test quick Rodney Hogg, who played against Sobers, Imran, Hadlee, Botham, Kapil, Malcolm Marshall and Clive Rice, feels Kallis lacks against Australians. "Kallis is a flat-track bully, who dishes it out to the minnows like Bangladesh and Zimbabwe but goes missing against the Australians," Hogg said. "Sobers played more than half of his Tests against England and Australia, whereas Kallis has picked up around 1000 runs and 40 wickets against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. They shouldn't count. Kallis is a player at age 33 that we will really target in this Test series. And he is boring to watch as a bowler, just constantly bowling outside off-stump," he added. Hogg also rated Sobers on top of the list. "Sobers has to be rated on top but I have enormous respect for Imran, and while Hadlee wasn't as good with the bat, he is clearly the best bowler of those all-rounders like Kapil, Botham and Marshall. Botham's shocking record against the great West Indies teams counts against him. Rice I played against on two tours of South Africa in the mid-'80s and remember him as someone who wanted to kill you with every ball," he said.
Pagalpanti Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 People keep saying he is selfish, but do you have any stat/incident backing your claim where his selfishness cost SA a test match? As an ODI bat he is not in the league of Tendu/Ponting but surely as an Allrounder he is one of the top ODI players. FTB? lol the guy plays most of his tests in SA and averages way over 50.
CG Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 I could love to have kallis for anybody in the indian team ,i mean anybody:winky:
ganeshran Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Lets keep this discussion to Kallis. If you want to discuss Sachin or any other batsman, please post in other relevant threads.
rkt.india Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 IF scoring against Australia is the only criteria to rate him Then how we should rate Aussie batsmen? against which country?
Trichromatic Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 I'm asking this because I don't rate him at all. He's a robotic accumulator who has appeared selfish to me throughout his entire career' date=' and [b']has this tendency to go missing during difficult conditions. I simply don't rate Kallis, the batsman anywhere even close to someone like Ponting, let alone anywhere near Tendulkar or Lara. How highly do you rate him as a batsman? Like he did against India in 3rd test? He has been probably best accumulator in last 10 years or so. Averages 65 in last 105 tests with decent SR. Is anyone even close just by numbers?
putrevus Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 it is all perception.As far as tests are concerned he is the most consistent batsman of his era who got better as he aged, in odis it is totally different story like Dravid I would not want him in my odi team.
JaFanatic Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 ^By that logic even Dravid' date=' Ganguly were selfish?[/quote'] no they never took 130plus balls to score a hundred in odis to cost the teams victory but kallis played 142 balls for his hundred and he never tried to make some strokeplay he's a damn selfish
Pagalpanti Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 no they never took 130plus balls to score a hundred in odis to cost the teams victory but kallis played 142 balls for his hundred and he never tried to make some strokeplay he's a damn selfish All 3 have S/R of 90+ while scoring centuries. next pls? :giggle: Still I agree he is not one of the best in ODI's as a batsman alone. As an Allrounder though he also qualifies as an ATG in ODI, imo of course. In tests he is unarguably one of the best batsman of this era.
Executioner Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 kallis would get a chance in all of the subcontinental teams merely as a bowler. The guy has got consistancy. As a batsman he is nothing short of world class. Infact, his batting outshines his bowling. averaging 50 in any format of the game is not easy
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