Texy Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 are these people jobless or what? After the crowd dispersed around 4 p.m. after Muslim prayers, an angry mob of about 700 teenagers broke into a church by storming past 15 police officers in the area, according to Nasim. After overcoming a security guard in the church, they vandalized and effectively destroyed the sanctuary, he added. Police responded with tear gas and by firing into the air, ultimately making "several arrests and ... interrogating the hooligans," said Nasim. No one was hurt. Many other buildings in the same neighborhood were attacked and, in some cases, set afire, police noted. Abdul Wali, another police official, said protesters also broke into and vandalized a nearby university and several government buildings. In Karachi -- where, a day earlier, video showed about 100 children repeating an adult voice in chants such as "Death to America" and "Any friend of America is a traitor" -- angry protesters burned three cinemas and two banks, as well as set fire to tires in the streets. They also smashed windows and threw rocks at police who'd tried to keep them from government offices and shops. ~~ From CNN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prakat Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 But that wasnt my point. The violence done by these mobs must be condemned to no end. But why should the regular muslim not have the right to approach his religion whichever way he sees fit. He has the right to get offended and peacefully protest even though the rest of us consider it trivial. It becomes everyone else's problem when mobs use violence as a response to stifle criticism. That is completely unacceptable. There is one good reason why someones sensitiveness/intolerance toward criticism of his religion should not become a part of how he approaches his religion. Because it is the bedrock of fundamentalism. Your hypothetical moderate Muslim may express it with a letter to the editor, but once we accept this then we have by the same token accepted all fundamentalists. They may lack the skills to express themselves verbally but that emotional response - which we have validated - has to be expressed somehow. This is why he has to take cues from the society he lives in for how tolerant he has to be about criticism or offenses to his religion, and not his religion. Isn't the point of Islam, or any religion for that matter, to make its followers better humans? And here's the dichotomy: The point of its clergy to make its people better Muslims as defined by them. To be a better Muslim in the eyes of the clergy and Muslims around him, he has to defend Islam. But in doing so he becomes a worse human and has defeated his own religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texy Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Now reports of churches being attacked & vandalized in Karachi. Wonder where are the armed forces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8535577/placard-mother-didnt-know-what-behead-meant Placard mother 'didn't know what behead meant' That is plausible. Those people were educated in Australia. Good chance that their English vocab isn't upto the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuge Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Asus website hacked :facepalm: Pretty Kiddish I must say :| http://rog.asus.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Asus ... Why? :dontknow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 ^ Jihadi ~ attacks innocents for the sake of revenge/honor. Cyber Jihadi ~ insert random site in place of innocents above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 are these people jobless or what? After the crowd dispersed around 4 p.m. after Muslim prayers, an angry mob of about 700 teenagers broke into a church by storming past 15 police officers in the area, according to Nasim. After overcoming a security guard in the church, they vandalized and effectively destroyed the sanctuary, he added. Police responded with tear gas and by firing into the air, ultimately making "several arrests and ... interrogating the hooligans," said Nasim. No one was hurt. Many other buildings in the same neighborhood were attacked and, in some cases, set afire, police noted. Abdul Wali, another police official, said protesters also broke into and vandalized a nearby university and several government buildings. In Karachi -- where, a day earlier, video showed about 100 children repeating an adult voice in chants such as "Death to America" and "Any friend of America is a traitor" -- angry protesters burned three cinemas and two banks, as well as set fire to tires in the streets. They also smashed windows and threw rocks at police who'd tried to keep them from government offices and shops. ~~ From CNN That picture is from Lebanon, atleast get your resources right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asim Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 ^ No prob yar, Propaganda mai sab chalta hey ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 That picture is from Lebanon' date=' atleast get your resources right[/quote'] Dont believe he mentioned that the pics were from Pakistan. Anyhow, I believe KFC outkets have been closed in Pakistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JourneyMan Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 As long as they aren't opposing India, I couldn't care less. A lot of you guys need to get over this 'darbaari' mentality of wanting to please the US/UK all the time. We're bigger than both of them put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganeshran Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 There is one good reason why someones sensitiveness/intolerance toward criticism of his religion should not become a part of how he approaches his religion. Because it is the bedrock of fundamentalism. Your hypothetical moderate Muslim may express it with a letter to the editor' date=' but once we accept this then we have by the same token accepted all fundamentalists. They may lack the skills to express themselves verbally but that emotional response - which we have validated - has to be eexpressed somehow.[/quote'] I disagree. A lot of people (Hindus, Christians and Muslims) have a lower tolerance level for any kind of criticism towards their religion. The problem begins with the way the protest is conveyed. If its through a letter to the editor or a silent sit-in protest, it is perfectly fine IMO. Taking away the right to protest is an infringement of their personal rights. Accepting this in no way validates the violent response of others in the community. The violence is to be condemned because the protesters are trying to stifle others against their will which they have no right to do so. E.g I am perfectly fine with Anna Hazare's anti - corruption movement, but would certainly not condone any radical group using violence against the government to protest corruption I think religion's initial stated purpose was to install a sense of morality in its followers and it paid dividends in the dark-middle ages where people's emotional attachment to religion could be used to make them into better members of society. But as time went on this emotional attachment was exploited to the hilt. The crusades, numerous invasions and barbaric acts were justified in the name of religion. Like Blaise Pascal once said "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction". Religion had already lost the plot back then. The clergy in Islam has failed miserably - instead of being the sane voice and trying to make the lowest common denominator in the religion understand that violence has no point, they are egging on the protesters to be more violent. They are instilling a siege mentality among people who are already frustrated with their living conditions and giving them a platform for their rage to explode. The results are predictably a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Khan Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Pakistan official offers $100,000 reward for killing of maker of anti-Prophet Muhammad filmA Pakistani government minister on Saturday announced a $100,000 bounty for the killing of the person who produced an online film that denigrates the Prophet Muhammad. Federal Minister for Railways Ghulam Ahmed Bilour also asked the Taliban and al-Qaida to extend support to the would-be killer. Speaking at a press conference at the Peshawar Press Club, the federal minister said whoever is responsible for blasphemy deserves death. "The American who produced the sacrilegious film in the U.S. is also liable to death and we will shower dollars on the one who killed the blasphemer. If members of the banned militant organizations kill the maker of the blasphemous movie, they will also be rewarded," Bilour announced. He called for legislation to have the anti-blasphemy law at the global level so that no one could hurt the religious emotions of the Muslims in the name of the freedom of expression. He said the situation would remain tense until anti-blasphemy law was enacted at the world level. Bilour condemned the work of the filmmaker, saying it distressed the Muslims across the world. However, he also condemned the violence during the protests on Friday, which was declared a national holiday in honor of Muhammad, saying it could defame Muslims and their religion. Bilour said the government had already announced that the police and other law-enforcers would give protesters the opportunity to peacefully condemn the filmmaker and would not crack down on them with batons. At least 15 people were killed and shops and businesses were damaged on Friday during Muslim protests in Pakistan. The film in question, produced in the U.S. and posted on the Internet under several titles including "Innocence of Muslims," portrays the prophet as a fraud, womanizer and child molester. source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prakat Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I disagree. A lot of people (Hindus, Christians and Muslims) have a lower tolerance level for any kind of criticism towards their religion. The problem begins with the way the protest is conveyed. If its through a letter to the editor or a silent sit-in protest, it is perfectly fine IMO. Taking away the right to protest is an infringement of their personal rights. Accepting this in no way validates the violent response of others in the community. You are speaking in terms of laws and legislation with regard to people's right to protest which is very different from what I was speaking of. As for protests... Citizens of a country peacefully protesting corruption is powerful because these are voters and any govt would be foolish to ignore it. Representatives of the Jewish Community meeting with the proprietors of a shop named "Hitler" can and did get the desired results. But I don't understand what 10000 people protesting a youtube video in downtown Karachi even means. Who is supposed to act because of this protest? Is there any measure of its success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cricket_usa Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Now a public official gets in this mess by offering 100000$ to kill the film maker who insulted mohammad. May be the govt should investigate how he got the 100000$ in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texy Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 So an Atheist facebook group posted some cartoons few days ago and this was the REACTION: :omg: ~~ Taken from Reddit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asim Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 ^ Good job Texy, bring in every verified/unverified confirmed/unconfirmed stuff/news/images which can work against them, lets expose these saalay muslims... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swing_n_Speed Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Very Interesting read. And it begs to ask imp questions. What is it worth really getting angry about? Defending God or defending humanity? http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy-Voices/2012/0919/Qatar-rich-and-dangerous-eyes-Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Christian Science Monitor = Propaganda. I would read it with buckets of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 "Dear Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Jews," You're living in the age of the Internet. Your religion will be mocked, and the mockery will find its way to you. Get over it. If you don't, what's happening this week will happen again and again. A couple of idiots with a video camera and an Internet connection will trigger riots across the globe. They'll bait you into killing one another. Stop it. Stop following their script. Today, fury, violence, and bloodshed are consuming the Muslim world. Why? Because a bank fraud artist in California offered people $75 a day to come to his house and act out scenes that ostensibly had nothing to do with Islam. Then he replaced the audio, putting words in the actors' mouths, and stitched together the scenes to make an absurdly bad movie ridiculing the Prophet Mohammed. He put out flyers to promote the movie. Nobody -literally nobody-came to watch it. He posted a 14-minute video excerpt of the movie on YouTube, but hardly anyone noticed. Then, a week ago, an anti-Muslim activist in Virginia reposted the video with an Arabic translation and sent the link to activists and journalists in Egypt. An Egyptian TV show aired part of the video. An Egyptian politician denounced it. Clerics sounded the alarm. Through Facebook and Twitter, protesters were mobilized to descend on the U.S. embassy in Cairo. The uprising spread. The U.S. ambassador to Libya has been killed, and violence has engulfed other countries. When the protests broke out, the guy who made the movie claimed to be an Israeli Jew funded by other Jews. That turned out be a lie. Now he says he's a Coptic Christian, even though Coptic Christian leaders in Egypt and the United States despise the movie and want nothing to do with him. Another guy who helped make the movie claims to be a Buddhist. The movie was made in the United States, yet Sudanese mobs have attacked British and German embassies. Some Egyptians targeted the Dutch embassy, mistakenly thinking the Netherlands was behind the movie. Everyone's looking for a group to blame and attack. The men behind the movie said it would expose Islam as a violent religion. Now they're pointing to the riots as proof. Muslims are "pre-programmed" to rage and kill, says the movie's promoter. "Islam is a cancer," says the director. According to the distributor, "The violence that it caused in Egypt is further evidence of how violent the religion and people are and it is evidence that everything in the film is factual." Congratulations, rioters. You followed the script perfectly. You did the propagandists' work for them. And the provocations won't end here. Laws and censors won't protect you from them. Liberal democracies allow freedom of expression. Our leaders and people condemn garbage like this video, but we don't censor it. Even if we did, the diffusion of media technology makes suppression impossible. The director of this movie was forbidden, under his bank-fraud probation rules, from using computers or the Internet without approval. That didn't stop him. Nor did it stop the Arabic-language distributor from reposting the video and disseminating it abroad. Online propaganda is speech. But it's also part of the global rise of lethal empowerment. It's easier than ever to kill people. In Muslim countries, mass murderers favor bombs. In the United States, they prefer guns. In Japan, they've tried sarin nerve gas. The Oklahoma City bomber used fertilizer. The Sept. 11 hijackers used box cutters and passenger planes. Then came the letters filled with anthrax. Derision is that much harder to control. The spread of digital technology and Internet bandwidth makes it possible to reach every corner of the globe almost instantly with homemade video defaming any faith tradition. It can become an incendiary weapon. But it has a weakness: It depends on you. You're the detonator. If you don't cooperate, the bomb doesn't explode. This isn't just a Muslim problem, though that's been the pattern lately. On YouTube, you can find videos insulting every religion on the planet: Jews, Christians, Hindus, Catholics, Mormons, Buddhists, and more. Some clips are ironic. Others are simply disgusting. Many were posted to bait one group into fighting another. The baiters are indiscriminate. The promoter of the Mohammed movie founded a group that also protests at Mormon temples. The hatred and bloodshed will go on until you stop taking the bait. Mockery of your prophet on a computer with an Internet address somewhere in the world can no longer be your master. Nor can the puppet clerics who tell you to respond with violence. Lay down your stones and your anger. Go home and pray. God is too great to be troubled by the insults of fools. Follow Him." Aziz Noorani http://gistarchive.appspot.com/3787583 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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