philcric Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 would like to see the worse as well.. 8 back to back overseas loss in the following order 196 runs 319 runs innings & 242 runs innings & 8 runs 122 runs innings & 68 runs innings & 37 runs 298 runs :hysterical: Freaking minnows would have done better job in any part of the history. So, the best we did in 8 tests was losing by 122 runs. :hatsoff: In most of those matches, we were out of the game by the end of 2nd day. In some cases (I remember Perth) by end of 1st day.
Raghav_12 Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 I would have been morally wrong to sack Fletcher while Dhoni is been lauded for demolishing aussies in this series. It is only consistent with the rest of the things that Fletcher has been allowed to stay.
asterix Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 How do you know Fletcher hasn't done anything? Were you in the dressing room with the players? Players should be capable of carrying out the strategies discussed in the dressing room. The Indian team has been poor with out of form players and injured bowlers. Yes it has been bad and I am not defending him but I don't think you can blame Fletcher for India's debacle over the last couple of years. It was a collective team failure' date=' one person cannot be blamed.[/quote'] Nobody's blaming only Fletcher.. It's the suspicion of him being kept to protect Dhobi from criticism even if all the major decision are being taken by Srini-Dhobi, Father-Son duo..
harmuk Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 May be I am the only one in the minority on this one, this is a good move given India just may have turned this around with two successive test wins, after the 0-8 drubbing and they were successful in getting rid of everyone excepting Tendulkar (guys like Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag, Harbhajan for most part, Gambhir, Zaheer ofcourse will always remain unfit). Pujara has been a welcome success and so were guys like Jadeja (least expected in Tests, I see a decent success for him in tests), Ashwin, Ojha and to a lesser extent Kohli. Fletcher and his laid back approach will work with this group better than with the older group that were at the dead end of their careers anyway and hopefully time will run out with Tendulkar in Tests as well. Exciting days ahead for Indian cricket team, in general the impact of a coach notwithstanding. Good luck to Duncan!!!
adi B Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 I would have been morally wrong to sack Fletcher while Dhoni is been lauded for demolishing aussies in this series. It is only consistent with the rest of the things that Fletcher has been allowed to stay. very much
philcric Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Just look up in the 90's when India toured overseas. You will know what I am talking about. India did not win a test in Australia till 2003/04. We had a record of 7-0 in 8 tests. In the 90's we weren't traveling a lot overseas like we do today. If you think India's 2-1 loss to England is the worst at home, go back to 2000 when South Africa defeated India 2-0, the same year India were drubbed 3-0 by Australia in Australia. That 2-0 is bad because Indian hadn't lost a home series for more than a decade and that team was much stronger than the current Indian team. I can give you more examples. People who had endured a poor Indian team of the 90's and before will not find anything shocking. People who started watching games in the last 10 years will say this is the worst phase. I've watched all matches of 90's thank you. And no, we never lost 0-8 at a stretch with such huge margins (see vvslaxman's post). One of our worst tours to Aus in 91-92 with a much worse team, we lost 0-4 (out of 5), we almost won in sydney (rain saved Aus), and in another we lost by about 30 runs and Azhar was last man out,, so we had an outside chance to win that as well. Oh btw, if you didn't notice, we went to Eng in 2011 as the #1 team !!
philcric Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Just look up in the 90's when India toured overseas. You will know what I am talking about. India did not win a test in Australia till 2003/04. We had a record of 7-0 in 8 tests. In the 90's we weren't traveling a lot overseas like we do today. If you think India's 2-1 loss to England is the worst at home, go back to 2000 when South Africa defeated India 2-0, the same year India were drubbed 3-0 by Australia in Australia. That 2-0 is bad because Indian hadn't lost a home series for more than a decade and that team was much stronger than the current Indian team. I can give you more examples. People who had endured a poor Indian team of the 90's and before will not find anything shocking. People who started watching games in the last 10 years will say this is the worst phase. 0-3 in Aus was bad. 0-2 to SA happened in very chaotic circumstances when Sachin didn't want to captain and other issues like match fixing. Dhoni-Fletcher had a settled, world cup winning, #1 test team at their disposal !!
vvvslaxman Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 I've watched all matches of 90's thank you. And no, we never lost 0-8 at a stretch with such huge margins (see vvslaxman's post). One of our worst tours to Aus in 91-92 with a much worse team, we lost 0-4 (out of 5), we almost won in sydney (rain saved Aus), and in another we lost by about 30 runs and Azhar was last man out,, so we had an outside chance to win that as well. Oh btw, if you didn't notice, we went to Eng in 2011 as the #1 team !! we should have won at Adelaide but for horrendous fraud umpiring.
vvvslaxman Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 0-3 in Aus was bad. 0-2 to SA happened in very chaotic circumstances when Sachin didn't want to captain and other issues like match fixing. Dhoni-Fletcher had a settled, world cup winning, #1 test team at their disposal !! That Indian team was a joke lol inexperienced one. Debang Gandhi series :giggle: . Australia had just blanked Pakistan 0-3 when they took on us. They had much better bowling attack. They rolled out pacy pitch even in Sydney. Real high quality side. I expected 0-2 loss. 0-3 loss not surprising at all.
harmuk Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 N.Sinivasan's and BCCI's, reasoning looks perfectly justified to me and makes a lot of sense. -- "He knows all the youngsters, including the fringe players, very well by now, so it was important to keep the same bond going for a developing side. The fact that virtually every youngster respects him a lot also played a part."
harmuk Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 NDTV showing this and discussing it with Gavaskar. Details awaited. Gavaskar looks miffed but being polite. saying "He's now been appointed, we need to back him". Well done BCCI. Continue to back the non performers.SMG=Sore loser.
saneindian Posted March 15, 2013 Author Posted March 15, 2013 Effectively means he will be our coach till the next WC.
Ultimate_Game Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Effectively means he will be our coach till the next WC. There goes any chance we had of retaining the cup :(( I wouldn't back the team to win a tri-series involving B'desh & Zim with Fletcher as coach, forget World Cup
rkt.india Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 N.Sinivasan's and BCCI's, reasoning looks perfectly justified to me and makes a lot of sense. -- "He knows all the youngsters, including the fringe players, very well by now, so it was important to keep the same bond going for a developing side. The fact that virtually every youngster respects him a lot also played a part." There are always two sides of the coin. Fletcher has so many sides, wonder which side to call.
I6MTW Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Fletcher has improved. Give him a chance for god sakes.
Pagalpanti Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Hope CSA appoint Haroon Lorgat. And it forces BCCI to cancel SA tour, can't take another 4-0
rkt.india Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Last time, he was there in NCA in fast bowler's camp identifying fast bowlers for test cricket and through some sources I gotta know that he has identified 5 bowlers who will be tried in tests and A tours. At that time, I had feeling that he may stay.
Lord Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 N.Sinivasan's and BCCI's, reasoning looks perfectly justified to me and makes a lot of sense. -- "He knows all the youngsters, including the fringe players, very well by now, so it was important to keep the same bond going for a developing side. The fact that virtually every youngster respects him a lot also played a part." so bonding n respect from players matters more than results?
akshayxyz Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 I would have been morally wrong to sack Fletcher while Dhoni is been lauded for demolishing aussies in this series. It is only consistent with the rest of the things that Fletcher has been allowed to stay. quite right.
Ultimate_Game Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Fletcher has improved. Give him a chance for god sakes. :hysterical: What do you call the last 2 years? :giggle:
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