RedFever Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Bjp has better, more decisive, proactive, bold leader ship to take decisions, will be better for development. Congress has more corrupt leaders . Have some figures for your points? Good old days before the AAP propaganda started :giggle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted May 3, 2014 Author Share Posted May 3, 2014 Good old days before the AAP propaganda started :giggle: Ouch. That's a golden post. Such user symbolizes everything wrong in our system. Hypocrites of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Secularism is good for India, but not for muslim states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackMamba Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Secularism is good for India' date=' but not for muslim states.[/quote'] Alternatives are even worse. Actually they are horrible. Some of the most peaceful Muslim Nations are pseudo-semi-secular 1) Turkey 2) Indonesia 3) Malaysia. They are trying, they are half-way there. Giving up hope will only slide you back-wards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Alternatives are even worse. Actually they are horrible. Some of the most peaceful Muslim Nations are pseudo-semi-secular 1) Turkey 2) Indonesia 3) Malaysia. They are trying, they are half-way there. Giving up hope will only slide you back-wards Only the big cities is where secular minded people can thrive the country side whichever muslim country it is always dominated by the zealots, In turkeys case there is actual suppression of islam as an ideology, but people are waking up I sense a tide is coming And most certainly Islam will conquer Constantinople ("Verily you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful leader will her leader be, and what a wonderful army will that army be!" narrated in bukhari) and free it from the hands of secularism and NATO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Good old days before the AAP propaganda started :giggle: Those revelations by former AAPits in that youtube video are shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 DGgHXE_7KqE Arun Shourie on Secularism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Secularism is good for India' date=' but not for muslim states.[/quote'] you see secularism is good for muslim states too, thats what keeps them safe from the drones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 you see secularism is good for muslim states too' date=' thats what keeps them safe from the drones.[/quote'] Tell that to Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Only the big cities is where secular minded people can thrive the country side whichever muslim country it is always dominated by the zealots' date=' In turkeys case there is actual suppression of islam as an ideology, but people are waking up I sense a tide is coming And most certainly Islam will conquer Constantinople ("Verily you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful leader will her leader be, and what a wonderful army will that army be!" narrated in bukhari) and free it from the hands of secularism and NATO.[/quote'] If that happens, it will not last. The power of people's free will wins over the long term over the power of making people live to a legal system that is unchangable and just said to be from God. No proofs. Such systems have their heydeys but the gamechanger is that in this day of instant and global communication, reason to self determine wins the odds against reason to follow invisible authority on assumed proofs ( that the Koran is from God, there is actually no concerete evidence for that, it is a claim it and its adherents make. Consider that). Even in the middle east, strides are being made and I think this is why Islam has such a militant side: it somehow opposes overall literacy & prosperity and therefore attains zeal through strife. For when stuff is blowing up and people are trying to kill you for no apparent reason/reasons out of your control, its easier to say 'lets all just live by this mumbo-jumbo for the sake of consistency and mutual survival in this messed up place'. But I can't see your system's long-term strategy working. Not unless people all go ignorant and believe in 'God wrote this/told me this' type of stories without any real proofs due to some global calamity or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriyankaSR Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 "Right to Freedom of Religion 25. Freedom of conscience and free profession, practice and propagation of religion.— (1) Subject to public order, morality and health and to the other provisions of this Part, all persons are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to profess, practise and propagate religion. (2) Nothing in this article shall affect the operation of any existing law or prevent the State from making any law— (a) regulating or restricting any economic, financial, political or other secular activity which may be associated with religious practice; (b) providing for social welfare and reform or the throwing open of Hindu religious institutions of a public character to all classes and sections of Hindus. Explanation I.—The wearing and carrying of kirpans shall be deemed to be included in the profession of the Sikh religion. Explanation II.—In sub-clause (b) of clause (2), the reference to Hindus shall be construed as including a reference to persons professing the Sikh, Jaina or Buddhist religion, and the reference to Hindu religious institutions shall be construed accordingly. 26. Freedom to manage religious affairs.—Subject to public order, morality and health, every religious denomination or any section thereof shall have the right— (a) to establish and maintain institutions for religious and charitable purposes; 13 THE CONSTITUTION OF INDIA (b) to manage its own affairs in matters of religion; © to own and acquire movable and immovable property; and (d) to administer such property in accordance with law. 27. Freedom as to payment of taxes for promotion of any particular religion.—No person shall be compelled to pay any taxes, the proceeds of which are specifically appropriated in payment of expenses for the promotion or maintenance of any particular religion or religious denomination. 28. Freedom as to attendance at religious instruction or religious worship in certain educational institutions.—(1) No religious instruction shall be provided in any educational institution wholly maintained out of State funds. (2) Nothing in clause (1) shall apply to an educational institution which is administered by the State but has been established under any endowment or trust which requires that religious instruction shall be imparted in such institution. (3) No person attending any educational institution recognised by the State or receiving aid out of State funds shall be required to take part in any religious instruction that may be imparted in such institution or to attend any religious worship that may be conducted in such institution or in any premises attached thereto unless such person n or, if such person is a minor, his guardian has given his consent thereto. " Did I get this right. Which part defines "secularism" or is it beyond these clauses ? I stand corrected, sir. No clause defines "secularism" in the Indian Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detonator Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 A deeply held conviction that all beliefs' date=' be they political, religious, or otherwise, should be challenged and tested on a regular basis, rather than simply being accepted on faith. By challenging and discarding flawed beliefs, people can replace them with newer, less flawed ones, and so grow as persons.[/quote'] Good old Detonator. :(( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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