saneindian Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 For what? Bowled some unplayable deliveries. In any case, after the final he will not play any international cricket for the next few months.
Old guy Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 2nd highest wicket taker for us until now.. yeah he has to improve but name a better substitute ?
Gunner Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 He averages 23 in this Tri-series with a SR of 26. Of course, he was wayward today spraying the ball around in helpful conditions but he will improve as he plays more matches.
MCcricket Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 Umesh is not too far away from being lethal, he showed he can seam and swing the ball, he bowls some fantastic balls interspersed with short hit me or leg side deliveries, just needs a bit more fine tuning.
Old guy Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 Umesh is not too far away from being lethal' date=' he showed he can seam and swing the ball, he bowls some fantastic balls interspersed with short hit me or leg side deliveries, just needs a bit more fine tuning.[/quote'] yeah...his problems are more about length he bowls in limited over cricket .. on this track had he kept it full for whole over he would have picked wickets too still bowled some absolute beauties no way there is nay one who can replace him . keep in mind the attack we had in asia cup dinda,vinay and some other jokers
jj_28 Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 Umesh should be a Test specialist but we dont have anyone to replace him with
Lord Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 yeah...his problems are more about length he bowls in limited over cricket .. on this track had he kept it full for whole over he would have picked wickets too still bowled some absolute beauties no way there is nay one who can replace him . keep in mind the attack we had in asia cup dinda,vinay and some other jokers Mohit,Shami,Vinay can play ODIs imo.maybe even Awana and Kaul Umesh should play Tests only.It'll also reduce his workload and prolong his career.Take it this way hes more important for us in Tests.Dont want him to be injures in these meanigless ODIs and be unavailable for Tests. That said,hes improving as ODI bowler
Old guy Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 Mohit,Shami,Vinay can play ODIs imo.maybe even Awana. Umesh should play Tests only.It'll also reduce his workload and prolong his career.Take it this way hes more important for us in Tests.Dont want him to be injures in these meanigless ODIs and be unavailable for Tests. That said,hes improving as ODI bowler U guys think he is extremely injury prone .. To me he can easily play both formats at least this year as we have some gaps after each series .. He is not brittle like pattinson only one stress injury happened which is very common at his age other then that he is extremely fit .. Maybe bowling here will help him bowl with control in tests ?
Lord Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 U guys think he is extremely injury prone .. To me he can easily play both formats at least this year as we have some gaps after each series .. He is not brittle like pattinson only one stress injury happened which is very common at his age other then that he is extremely fit .. Maybe bowling here will help him bowl with control in tests ? but still why take chance,let him be a Test specialist?bowling in both can also confuse him whether to go all out or look to contain in Tests.We need him to go all out in Tests
Old guy Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 but still why take chance' date='let him be a Test specialist?bowling in both can also confuse him whether to go all out or look to contain in Tests.We need him to go all out in Tests[/quote'] Confuse him ?lol It does not happens with bowlers..more of a batsmen problem If u can bowl tight line with swing then it will be effective in any format Also what do u mean by risk? He is a cricketer u can't just keep resting him if he is fit enough to play then he should..yeah if he gets injured and ends up like Patti then save him for sure.. But right now at his age bowling won't hurt him if he does not has chronic problems U guys talk abt resting well when I think of test specialist I think of bowler who in free time plays county or something not resting :winky:
Lord Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 Confuse him ?lol It does not happens with bowlers..more of a batsmen problem If u can bowl tight line with swing then it will be effective in any format Also what do u mean by risk? He is a cricketer u can't just keep resting him if he is fit enough to play then he should..yeah if he gets injured and ends up like Patti then save him for sure.. But right now at his age bowling won't hurt him if he does not has chronic problems U guys talk abt resting well when I think of test specialist I think of bowler who in free time plays county or something not resting :winky: It can happen in the mindset.In ODIs poor balls get hammered and that puts pressure on bowler n makes him defensive.slowly that can happen in Tests too.We dont want him to be scared of giving runs in Tests as those dont matter all that much in Tests.He needs to attack stumps there but it can be costly in ODIs I'm not talking about sitting idle too.He should play A tours and Ranjis whenever possible and maybe County too if BCCI allows.Just want him to play one format though
Old guy Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 It can happen in the mindset.In ODIs poor balls get hammered and that puts pressure on bowler n makes him defensive.slowly that can happen in Tests too.We dont want him to be scared of giving runs in Tests as those dont matter all that much in Tests.He needs to attack stumps there but it can be costly in ODIs I'm not talking about sitting idle too.He should play A tours and Ranjis whenever possible and maybe County too if BCCI allows.Just want him to play one format though I think right now Odis will help him as he will learn to control line and find his length which is most effective.. I don't think Odis are gonna hurt him in anyway not right now when his biggest problem is accuracy and not the wicket taking balls like ishant .. Ishant should concentrate on tests and get back his swing or seam rather then practicing slower balls and what not
Lord Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 I think right now Odis will help him as he will learn to control line and find his length which is most effective.. I don't think Odis are gonna hurt him in anyway not right now when his biggest problem is accuracy and not the wicket taking balls like ishant .. Ishant should concentrate on tests and get back his swing or seam rather then practicing slower balls and what not No thanks.If anything he should be ODI specialist as he had some success atleast there(though by lucky balls).In Tests hes totally crap. Ideally He should be IPL specialist though :agree:
Old guy Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 No thanks.If anything he should be ODI specialist as he had some success atleast there(though by lucky balls).In Tests hes totally crap. Ideally He should be IPL specialist though :agree: Haha I know but this was just example Umesh already has wicket taking skills all he needs to do is to become consistent andmodis can help there .. Drop him if he does not perform no problem with that but excuse of resting him and saving for test isbad
Vilander Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 he has 4 wickets in 5 matches and 1 wicket per 9 overs bowled. Whichever way you try to dress it in this tournament and his entire 22 match career to date (A) he has not been a wicket taker for india, 22 matches played and 22 wicket taken. 1 wicket per match never taken 4 or 5 wickets. Compare that to 7/103 in tests. (B) he has not been economical for india. © His list A record in the domestics is also poor where he averages 43 with the ball and has an economy of nearly 6. His IPL record is not great either. Now i am all for giving him a chance as he is the fastest around. But maybe a solid year in test cricket might do him good rather than some odi series at the moment I dont mind giving him a full run in the odis we play in the next series. But if those stats dont show improvement its time to look elsewhere temporarily. Aaron for eg is fast and does have good list A record. Wait for him to recover and see if he is the express pace bowler for india. This reasoning can get us rid of a good prospect like Umesh Yadav. We have to be patient.
BleedBlue Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 Leading wicket takers in the tri series TOP 2 M. W. BBI. AVE. ECON. S.R B Kumar (India) 3 8 4/8 9.12 3.47 15.7 UT Yadav (India) 4 7 3/32 23.85 5.50 26.0 Bhuvi's figures are outstanding but yadav's are very good as well
cowboysfan Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 he bowls utter nonsense when he trying to bowl fast,maybe slowing it down is the answer.
maniac Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 he bowls utter nonsense when he trying to bowl fast' date='maybe slowing it down is the answer.[/quote'] Even though I agree with you.....Why would he give up on his USP which is being the consistently fastest Indian bowler on the Speed guns?
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