Sachin=GOD Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 Well when you have one million opposing soldiers in close proximity to one another things like this are gonna unfortunately happen. What I don't understand is why the Indian media always and I mean ALWAYS paints these events as Pakistan's fault. Looks to me like this event occurred when two patrolling units ran into one another. Perhaps they should keep a strict neutral zone in the middle to prevent such events. Press Trust of India @PTI_News Attack was carried out by 20 heavily-armed terrorists in Pakistan army uniform, Antony tells Lok Sabha.
Clarke Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 The beginning. Uncle Sam has only just started packing up. This! Expect the Kashmir initiative to gain the highest priority once again.
The Realist Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 Just respond like the Israelis would do. The best role model to follow. Ind military needs to forge closer links with Israel.
Crookbond Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 Well when you have one million opposing soldiers in close proximity to one another things like this are gonna unfortunately happen. What I don't understand is why the Indian media always and I mean ALWAYS paints these events as Pakistan's fault. Looks to me like this event occurred when two patrolling units ran into one another. Perhaps they should keep a strict neutral zone in the middle to prevent such events. 57 ceasefire violations from Pakistan this year.
Vilander Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 There can never be Friendship between Pakistan and India. We should put a decisive end to this. The only way to do it is to accept Pakistan as a hostile force that needs to be eliminated and then proceed with any and all steps to acheive the same,pretty much like what pakistan's policy on India is designed.
Sachin=GOD Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 Pak denies its troops killed 5 Indian soldiers in Poonch Islamabad: Pakistan on Tuesday rejected Indian allegations of an attack across the LoC in the Poonch sector in which five Indian soldiers were killed. Pakistan claimed the allegations carried by 'some sections of Indian media' as 'baseless and unfounded'. "Our military authorities have confirmed that there had been no exchange of fire that could have resulted in such an incident," a press release by Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs said. It stated that Pakistan is committed to the ceasefire agreement of 2003 which it regards as an important Confidence Building Measure which should be respected in letter and spirit. Pakistan in the statement also urged the need for abiding by and strengthening existing military mechanisms to ensure that such ill-founded reports that have the potential of vitiating the atmosphere, are avoided. "Pakistan is committed to a constructive, sustained and result-oriented process of engagement with India and looks forward to an early resumption of the dialogue process," the statement said. It has also been mentioned that it is important for both India and Pakistan to make serious efforts in maintaining the positive atmosphere and avoid negative propaganda. Earlier in the day, India had lodged a strong protest with Pakistan over the ambush and killing of five Indian soldiers by Pakistani troops and terrorists at the Line of Control near Poonch in Jammu and Kashmir. Sources said that the Pakistani Deputy High Commissioner was summoned and a strong diplomatic message was delivered asking Pakistan to stop such attacks and find out those responsible for the midnight attack on the Indian troops. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pak-denies-its-troops-killed-5-indian-soldiers-in-poonch/412312-56.html Its like a choreographed drama - everytime this happens, we see the Indian Govt issue lodging a "strong protest" and the Pak Govt. denying all allegations.
The Realist Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 Don't worry as an Italian is now on the case... http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Sonia-slams-Paks-blatant-acts-of-deceit-urges-govt-to-take-action/articleshow/21650610.cms
The Realist Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 Also wonder if those 65 "MPs" who wrote to Obama regarding Modi will now show their patriotism by writing another letter?...
Detonator Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 Striking the right note, finally by Shankar Roychowdhury Share Tweet Printer-friendly versionSend by email. Speak softly, but carry a big stick. -Theodore Roosevelt, President of the United States (1901-1909) What’s in a name? Pl*enty, pro*vided one mak*es an effort to look for it. In*dia’s recent decision to raise a new “strike cor*ps” for the moun*ta*ins raises just such an issue because “strike corps” are equated with offen*sive operations, in this case in moun*tai*nous ter*rain, where the para*me*ters of warfare in terms of organisations, tactics and equipment are quite different from those required elsewhere. For India, a Mountain Strike Corps would, th*us, obviously be inten*ded for employment on the Himalayan border with China and the Line of Control (LoC) in Ja*mmu and Kashmir with Pakistan. But the larger and more important geo-political signal conve*yed by the intended str*ike corps would be an ap*parent paradigm shift in India’s strategic per*ceptions that would re*quire shedding some of its traditional diffidence and adopting a more assertive approach to China — a tentative step towards coming out of the shadows of 1962, whi*ch still loom over India’s political psyche, no ma*tter how vehemently th*is fact is dismissed or de*nied. This shift is cer*tainly welcome because hither*to successive Indi*an go*vernments have been ex*tre*mely cautious about any action that might be construed as an offen*sive, aggressive act against China. But now, almost out of the blue as it were, com*es a proposal conspi*cuo*u*sly out of character wi*th the usual tre*mu*lous ap*proach to China by India’s political lea*der*sh*ip. What could have pro*mpted such a radical reorientation in the cou*n*try’s politico-strategic outlook? In a country and cul*ture where politics reig*ns supreme in all issues, could it be that even the purely military issue of a Mountain Strike Corps might actually be a pre-electoral attempt by the government to proclaim itself as being tough on matters of national defence? Too far-fetched? Well, given the depths of op*p*o*r*tunism that politics has sunk to in this coun*try, even such utterly cyni*cal perceptions car*ry so*me degree of cre*di*bility. The government’s but*ter-fingered handling of the beheading of Indian soldiers by Pakistani intruders at Mendhar in Jammu, and Chinese patrols intruding into the Daulat Beg Oldi region of Ladakh, are worrying and requires damage con*trol by all available means. It is in this context that the an*noun*cement of a Moun*tain Strike Corps carries its own weight and can be exploited to refurbish the image of a gover*n*ment generally pilloried as weak, fumbling and sunk in corruption, and recast it in a macho, muscular avatar. Strike, or “deep stri*ke”, or “deep attack” op*e*rations have tradi*tio*nally been visualised in the context of rapid, fast-moving offensive opera*tions against Pakistan in the plains and desert te*rrain along the coun*try’s western borders. Me*chanised and airbor*ne forces usually carry out these operations to se*ize sensitive territory as bargaining coun*ters for subsequent post-con*flict negotiations to achieve national political and geo-strategic objec*tives. “Strike operations” in the Hima*la*yan terrain on the country’s nor*the*rn and eastern borders against a totally diffe*r*e*nt kind of opponent wo*uld ha*ve different dimensions altogether. Th*at being said, it must also be clear that offen*sive ope*rations in moun*tainous terrain are not*hing new or novel for the Indian Army or the Indian Air Force. The record go*es all the way back to the battles at Zojila Pass in 1947-48, the capture of Haji Pir in 1965, the Shingo River Valley in 1965, 1971 and Kargil in 1999. In the process, ope*ra*tional doctrines and or*ganisations for moun*tain and high-altitude operations have been evolved, though equip*me*nt, as always, still lea*ves much to be desired. The basic principle of mountain operations re*mains unchanged — they will always be man*power intensive, espec*ially at the higher alti*tu*des where roads and tra*c*ks are few and traffic capacity limited, while level ground and open spaces required for deploying artillery or creating logistics areas are scarce. It should also be un*derstood that effec*tive employment of “strike forces” demands an aggressive mindset oriented towards offen*sive operations, which India has displayed in the past, notably in Bangladesh in 1971. But subsequent events vis-a-vis Pakistan have shown that victory in Bangladesh might well have been a political aberration. So the first question that requires to be an*swered in the present instance is whether In*dia’s political and natio*nal leadership possess the requ*ired gumption and the country the military capabili*ties for strike operations against China. China does not appear to regard India as much of a threat and would tend to be con*temp*tuo*usly dismissive of any such possibility. Into this must be fac*tored in nuclear power and its doctrines of first and second strikes and India’s “Cold Start” doc*trine, which has been reported in the media and hastily denied by the Indian government. Against this back*gro*und, the contemplated strike corps, though al*ways a welcome accre*tion in terms of overall force levels, would har*dly be of significance in the context of offensive operations vis-a-vis China. Its true impact will be in the context of a counter strike against Pakistan, in the event of any overt misadv*enture by that country in Jammu and Kashmir. (The writer is a former Chief of Army Staff and a former member of Parliament) Good article. Not totally unrelated, but he does makes sense about condition of Indian Military. http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130806/commentary-columnists/commentary/striking-right-note-finally
arun81 Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 The current Army chief of staff is a sell out... He was not picked for nothing ... INC is using him to destroy IA one of the last few legitimate and honest Govt entities....
King Tendulkar Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 Also wonder if those 65 "MPs" who wrote to Obama regarding Modi will now show their patriotism by writing another letter?...:clap:
saneindian Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 That old BS of 'non state actors'. When Sharif was in power before the coup by Musharraf, we had Kargil. Expect worse to happen again.
Sachin=GOD Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 That old BS of 'non state actors'. When Sharif was in power before the coup by Musharraf, we had Kargil. Expect worse to happen again. yeah. Was reading in some newspaper that such attacks have increased dramatically since Sharif came to power.
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