Muzaffarnagar clashes: death toll rises to 12, Army called in

[Detonator]

A country is only as strong as it's weakest links. And what is our weakest link? Our poor, our lower caste, our minorities. If we don't strengthen them, the enemies will attack us through them always. But it is true. Pleasse look at how America handled the civil rights movement. Look at how the gay rights movement was handled by civilized countries Yes, the majority can take care of themselves as they are majority. You can see examples of this everywhere. From land owner refusing rented houses to non-vegetarians to people only marrying in their caste and community to people getting away with brutal honor murders, examples of majority looking after themselves is all around us There is no sad situation in "this" country. When black people are given equality in US, rednecks there cry just like you people saying there is white discrimination. When women are given special protection, some insecure men cry that men are being discriminated against. And when minorities are given their due, we also have majority crying about discrimination. None of this is true. Minorities today are the weakest link and a poor part of society (overall, not specific examples). Which child should a mother look after, a weak, crying child, or a healthy grown up child who can look after himself or has brothers who look after him? In every civilized country in the world, special laws for minorities and affirmation and positive discrimination holds true. Be it minorities in religion, in color, in gender, etc. We can follow their example and keep united or we can do what Pakistan does and completely work towards eliminating the minorities. It will just leave our country so much weaker

yet another delusional and stupid post. not all majorities are healthy children and not all minorities are weak children, in a little bit of realistic sense. The poor shld get the due be it a majority or a minority. that's not gonna happen though.

[Khalpat]

A country is only as strong as it's weakest links. And what is our weakest link? Our poor, our lower caste, our minorities. If we don't strengthen them, the enemies will attack us through them always.

I totally agree with your sentiments for lower caste but minorities comeon man most of the minority community of India like Sikhs, Jains, Parsis are doing good financially which means there is no discrimination on the basis of religion in India. If one community is not doing good, they have to introspect as to what wrong are they doing when compared to others.

But it is true. Pleasse look at how America handled the civil rights movement. Look at how the gay rights movement was handled by civilized countries Yes, the majority can take care of themselves as they are majority. You can see examples of this everywhere. From land owner refusing rented houses to non-vegetarians to people only marrying in their caste and community to people getting away with brutal honor murders, examples of majority looking after themselves is all around us There is no sad situation in "this" country. When black people are given equality in US, rednecks there cry just like you people saying there is white discrimination. When women are given special protection, some insecure men cry that men are being discriminated against. And when minorities are given their due, we also have majority crying about discrimination. None of this is true. Minorities today are the weakest link and a poor part of society (overall, not specific examples). Which child should a mother look after, a weak, crying child, or a healthy grown up child who can look after himself or has brothers who look after him? In every civilized country in the world, special laws for minorities and affirmation and positive discrimination holds true. Be it minorities in religion, in color, in gender, etc. We can follow their example and keep united or we can do what Pakistan does and completely work towards eliminating the minorities. It will just leave our country so much weaker

Great example now here lies the difference, the Black People of US were slaves and the whites were ruling them. So to change the tradition and unequality, the civil movement was a neccessity in US but here in India the Muslims were ruling Hindus for most of the part of our history and mostly the majority were the one who had to suffer in the hands of minority so this analogy is a big fail. But I would still say that the SC/ST who have suffered mostly during the history they surely need upliftment.

[diga]

I totally agree with your sentiments for lower caste but minorities comeon man most of the minority community of India like Sikhs' date=' Jains, Parsis are doing good financially which means there is no discrimination on the basis of religion in India.[b'] If one community is not doing good, they have to introspect as to what wrong are they doing when compared to others.

Self-Introspection ... well, that word is not found in the dictionary of most muslims

Great example now here lies the difference, the Black People of US were slaves and the whites were ruling them. So to change the tradition and unequality, the civil movement was a neccessity in US but here in India the Muslims were ruling Hindus for most of the part of our history and mostly the majority were the one who had to suffer in the hands of minority so this analogy is a big fail. But I would still say that the SC/ST who have suffered mostly during the history they surely need upliftment.

Since a upper caste person has to pay for the sins of forefathers by conceding to reservation, why not a muslim for the Jaziya?

[asterix]

I totally agree with your sentiments for lower caste but minorities comeon man most of the minority community of India like Sikhs, Jains, Parsis are doing good financially which means there is no discrimination on the basis of religion in India. If one community is not doing good, they have to introspect as to what wrong are they doing when compared to others. Great example now here lies the difference, the Black People of US were slaves and the whites were ruling them. So to change the tradition and unequality, the civil movement was a neccessity in US but here in India the Muslims were ruling Hindus for most of the part of our history and mostly the majority were the one who had to suffer in the hands of minority so this analogy is a big fail. But I would still say that the SC/ST who have suffered mostly during the history they surely need upliftment.

Muslim community and Introspection.... don't go together...

[AMBI]

Majority of Indian muslims are lower caste converts and they are not eligble for getting resevation.This is the major reason for their backwardness.There is also no caste system in sikhism and budhism but dalit converts of both these religions are eligble for reservation.

[bulbul]

Minorities = Muslims in Secular India.

[velu]

Majority of Indian muslims are lower caste converts and they are not eligble for getting resevation.This is the major reason for their backwardness.There is also no caste system in sikhism and budhism but dalit converts of both these religions are eligble for reservation.

r u looking for minority votes in malluland kya?? :hmmm: :giggle:

[Mariyam]

Self-Introspection ... well, that word is not found in the dictionary of most muslims

That's true. No such phrase exists in the lexicon of Muslims. But that is only because there is no such thing. Introspection is always of the 'self'. Its like saying: a boring Tarantino movie, trundler Ishant, retarded Rahul Gandhi etc.... you get the picture. The qualifiers aren't really necessary. Redundancy is abhorred in the Holy Quran.

[King Tendulkar]

I totally agree with your sentiments for lower caste but minorities comeon man most of the minority community of India like Sikhs, Jains, Parsis are doing good financially which means there is no discrimination on the basis of religion in India. If one community is not doing good, they have to introspect as to what wrong are they doing when compared to others.

THIS :two_thumbs_up:

[King Tendulkar]

Same in other countries like west. Look at UK. Muslims doing poor and living in poverty. Hindus/Sikhs etc flourishing and doing better then white counterparts

[diga]

That's true. No such phrase exists in the lexicon of Muslims. But that is only because there is no such thing. Introspection is always of the 'self'. Its like saying: a boring Tarantino movie, trundler Ishant, retarded Rahul Gandhi etc.... you get the picture. The qualifiers aren't really necessary. Redundancy is abhorred in the Holy Quran.

In communications, redundancy is always preferred to ensure the information reaches the end user.. If its not there, then the communication system is faulty & will not work in noisy conditions. :--D BTW, Self-introspection may not be in the dictionary but its used commonly.. a cursory google search for that word reveals zillions of results

[seedhi]

A country is only as strong as it's weakest links. And what is our weakest link? Our poor, our lower caste, our minorities. If we don't strengthen them, the enemies will attack us through them always. But it is true. Pleasse look at how America handled the civil rights movement. Look at how the gay rights movement was handled by civilized countries Yes, the majority can take care of themselves as they are majority. You can see examples of this everywhere. From land owner refusing rented houses to non-vegetarians to people only marrying in their caste and community to people getting away with brutal honor murders, examples of majority looking after themselves is all around us There is no sad situation in "this" country. When black people are given equality in US, rednecks there cry just like you people saying there is white discrimination. When women are given special protection, some insecure men cry that men are being discriminated against. And when minorities are given their due, we also have majority crying about discrimination. None of this is true. Minorities today are the weakest link and a poor part of society (overall, not specific examples). Which child should a mother look after, a weak, crying child, or a healthy grown up child who can look after himself or has brothers who look after him? In every civilized country in the world, special laws for minorities and affirmation and positive discrimination holds true. Be it minorities in religion, in color, in gender, etc. We can follow their example and keep united or we can do what Pakistan does and completely work towards eliminating the minorities. It will just leave our country so much weaker

Not true. For example South Africa.

[seedhi]

Majority of Indian muslims are lower caste converts and they are not eligble for getting resevation.This is the major reason for their backwardness.There is also no caste system in sikhism and budhism but dalit converts of both these religions are eligble for reservation.

This was a compromise worked out during the framing of the constitution. Muslim and Christians in India enjoy minority educational rights which Sikhs, Buddhist, Hindus, Jains do not have. The lower caste converts amongst Muslims and Christians fall under the OBC category (not the SC/ST category).

[adi B]

That's true. No such phrase exists in the lexicon of Muslims. But that is only because there is no such thing. Introspection is always of the 'self'. Its like saying: a boring Tarantino movie, trundler Ishant, retarded Rahul Gandhi etc.... you get the picture. The qualifiers aren't really necessary. Redundancy is abhorred in the Holy Quran.

u are right but there should be a 'muslim introspection brotherhood' :cantstop:

[AMBI]

This was a compromise worked out during the framing of the constitution. Muslim and Christians in India enjoy minority educational rights which Sikhs' date=' Buddhist, Hindus, Jains do not have.[/quote'] Which are the educational rights granted to dalit people of Muslim and Christian communities by India government.Muslim and Christian Dalits have been deprived of those rights in the matters of government educational institutions, government services and other issues, which are being enjoyed by those similar to them following Hinduism,Sikhism or Buddhism

[someone]

In every civilized country in the world, special laws for minorities and affirmation and positive discrimination holds true. Be it minorities in religion, in color, in gender, etc. We can follow their example and keep united or we can do what Pakistan does and completely work towards eliminating the minorities. It will just leave our country so much weaker

Add many other Muslim majority states who give absolute no support for minorities. The thing what is special in Indian politics is that firstly minorities seems only restricted to one community, the Muslims. There are many other communities who deserve some attention but unfortunately are deemed as irrelevant and even on this very forum according to one crazy user. Wonder what do say about that? Then, the bigger issue is that the "minority" word, basically implying Muslims is gets associated with "victims". Nothing in politics sells better than being called victims. Telling one community that you are victims and how opposition, majority will harm you while we will save them. It generates a wave of sympathy. Thus no wonder, despite ruling the country for 60 years or currently 10 straight years, there is absolutely no talk of development from Congress but yet another campaign for victimization. Congress simply doesn't want or need to do any development as clearly, whining or crying about how they are being victims sells very well. (The communal violence bill is also on the same line). And this is not just being a victim but exclusive and only victim. Thus, no wonder, other communities affected in riots and attacks are totally ignored. Now what is interesting is since Muslim came India, much attacks have been on Hindus.The Islamic rule of India killed millions of Hindus. We talk about the struggle and violence during the British era but it was much worse and deadly during the Islamic rule. But due to pseudos, this has been purposefully removed from our history books and thus is now never talked. So Muslims being victims in India when they have dominated and ruled in India through force and torture of Hindus is something to discuss deeply.

[Detonator]

So Muslims being victims in India when they have dominated and ruled in India through force and torture of Hindus is something to discuss deeply.

Thats not gonna happen. Fully agree with the rest of ur post.

[diga]

Add many other Muslim majority states who give absolute no support for minorities. The thing what is special in Indian politics is that firstly minorities seems only restricted to one community, the Muslims. There are many other communities who deserve some attention but unfortunately are deemed as irrelevant and even on this very forum according to one crazy user. Wonder what do say about that?

This

Now what is interesting is since Muslim came India, much attacks have been on Hindus.The Islamic rule of India killed millions of Hindus. We talk about the struggle and violence during the British era but it was much worse and deadly during the Islamic rule. But due to pseudos, this has been purposefully removed from our history books and thus is now never talked. So Muslims being victims in India when they have dominated and ruled in India through force and torture of Hindus is something to discuss deeply.

hiatory has been written by victors & congress has ruled for 60 years

[Mariyam]

Now what is interesting is since Muslim came India, much attacks have been on Hindus.The Islamic rule of India killed millions of Hindus. We talk about the struggle and violence during the British era but it was much worse and deadly during the Islamic rule. But due to pseudos, this has been purposefully removed from our history books and thus is now never talked. So Muslims being victims in India when they have dominated and ruled in India through force and torture of Hindus is something to discuss deeply.

I agree with the gist of your post except the part that is highlighted. Its a stretch to say that Muslims, as a people, dominated India through force and torture. It was Muslim rulers (from Central Asia, Persia, Afghanistan etc) and their descendents who ruled over India. The lot of the common Muslim back then is not likely to have been much better than that of the local Hindu. For the former too, was as much a subjugated citizen as the latter.

[Mariyam]

u are right but there should be a 'muslim introspection brotherhood' :cantstop:

Why take the trouble and establish such brotherhoods and sororities? Its so much easier for us lazy and evil Muslims to blame the kaffirs for everything. Right Asterix da?