mancalledsting Posted July 16, 2014 Posted July 16, 2014 Thread is nt abt inspiring bowlers or whatever. It about captaincy. In thatway Dhoni inspired a generation of wicket keeper bats like Prior, Sanga etc :finger: :girly1: lol- I think Uve been taking IPL way too seriously I thnk you'll find that Sangakarra was well established long before Dhoni graced us with his beautiful batting technique that has the finesse of a rapist touch And Matt Prior didn't come too far after Dhoni (meaning that he had to have developed all his skills before Dhoni even played for India) so don't see what inspiration he could have drawn from Dhoni (apart from undeservedly hogging a spot in the test team). Anyway everyone who wants to be a WK/batsmen draws inspiration from Gilly- that's a given. Imran recruited, discovered and groomed Wasim and Waqar. The most successful fast bowling PARTNERSHIP in the history of the game. Is not discovering, selecting and nurturing players part of a captains role? Does a captain not have a responsibility to ensure that whoever takes over the reigns after he's gone has been left with a team capable of heading into the future? Win/loss ratio- who cares? That depends mainly on the players at your disposal. No one can compare win loss ratio to Ponting and he's widely regarded as an average captain. Michael Clarke however is regarded as an excellent captain despite not having as good a record. Finally- where Imran really excels over Dhoni is that he is willing to give a chance to nobodies at the time like Wasim, Waqar and Inzamaam based on merit as opposed to just selecting his mates for the purpose of political point scoring. This despite Imran having to answer to an equally corrupt cricket administration
gattaca Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 ^^ their was once a user called hitman brainwashed after visiting padosi forums.
gattaca Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Reverse swing is illegal imran encouraged it got the results even sohail vouched for it.he had an unfair advantage compared to his contemporaries.
Utalk Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Reverse swing is illegal imran encouraged it got the results even sohail vouched for it.he had an unfair advantage compared to his contemporaries. If reverse swing is illegal then so is Eng Ashes win in 05 and Ind win in Eng 07.
mancalledsting Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 ^^ their was once a user called hitman brainwashed after visiting padosi forums. There are a lot of people on this forum who have bigoted and prejudiced tendencies...all of you, you know who you are. Just remember that anyone who judges a persons attributes based on his nationality and religion and not by the merit of hjs actions/accomplishments......know that you deserve to occupy a platform with the Nazis, the apartheide govt of South Africa and the kkk etc as you are a similar calibre of human being. And unfortunately I think this applies to a lot of you on this forum. Fair enough, if your happy carrying the burden of a diseased heart, on your conscience be it. But don't try and attack someone became he see things for what they are in reality as opposed to effecting his personal prejudices through a cricket discussion. I mean seriously, how much of a loser do you have to be to do that?
mancalledsting Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 If reverse swing is illegal then so is Eng Ashes win in 05 and Ind win in Eng 07. Lol....all of modern test cricket must be illegal then
Vilander Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 If reverse swing is illegal then so is Eng Ashes win in 05 and Ind win in Eng 07. Utalk you are a honorable poster, tell me the truth. Did Imran introduce bottle caps or not. Dont tell me it was not illegal then etc. Did he or did he not introduce bottle caps and spikes on rough side to make ball reverse, which have since been deemed illegal and unfair.
Vilander Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 There are a lot of people on this forum who have bigoted and prejudiced tendencies...all of you' date=' you know who you are. Just remember that anyone who judges a persons attributes based on his nationality and religion and not by the merit of hjs actions/accomplishments......know that you deserve to occupy a platform with the Nazis, the apartheide govt of South Africa and the kkk etc as you are a similar calibre of human being. And unfortunately I think this applies to a lot of you on this forum. Fair enough, if your happy carrying the burden of a diseased heart, on your conscience be it. But don't try and attack someone became he see things for what they are in reality as opposed to effecting his personal prejudices through a cricket discussion. I mean seriously, how much of a loser do you have to be to do that?[/quote'] all of what you said is very true, but does not apply to Ind-Pak because we are same race.
mancalledsting Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 all of what you said is very true' date=' but does not apply to Ind-Pak because we are same race.[/quote'] But we are not the same religion- this is the basis of the prejudice- and it's a two way street- not just an indian problem but also a Pakistani problem. And I condemn it on both sides as it's disgusting behaviour.
mancalledsting Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Utalk you are a honorable poster' date=' tell me the truth. Did Imran introduce bottle caps or not. Dont tell me it was not illegal then etc. Did he or did he not introduce bottle caps and spikes on rough side to make ball reverse, which have since been deemed illegal and unfair.[/quote'] What's there to admit? Imran said he did it- as has trescothick, Atherton, and possibly even Sachin. But I don't think it makes Imran's captaincy better or worse than Dhoni's.
Midfielder Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 What's there to admit? Imran said he did it- as has trescothick' date=' Atherton, and possibly even Sachin. But I don't think it makes Imran's captaincy better or worse than Dhoni's.[/quote'] He blatantly cheated. If you cheat you deserve no respect. Name one instance where Dhoni cheated so bad. Imran did it over a period of time maybe his whole life. Once the culture of doctoring the ball was exposed pakistan pace attack is no better than India. If you now listen to Imran he comes across as a prejudiced racist. I dont know why Indian TVs ask him for interviews as he is the most racist person I have ever seen in cricket.
Midfielder Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 If reverse swing is illegal then so is Eng Ashes win in 05 and Ind win in Eng 07. Reverse swing is not illegal but roughing the ball on one side is. This creates turbulence which he counted on. This is old school baseball, nothing special about cricket. For pakistan supporters Imran is a gods gift to earth. Heck with his cheating, racist and sexist views, we will overlook all that because he is ours.
Midfielder Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 But we are not the same religion- this is the basis of the prejudice- and it's a two way street- not just an indian problem but also a Pakistani problem. And I condemn it on both sides as it's disgusting behaviour. Imran has more racist views than any one else I know.
Utalk Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Imran was respected by his peers like Viv,Chapple, Sunny among others exacly like Sachin is respected by Wasim Warne Lara etc. Dhoni doesn't even enter the conversation.
Lord Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Imran was respected by his peers like Viv' date='Chapple, Sunny among others exacly like Sachin is respected by Wasim Warne Lara etc. Dhoni doesn't even enter the conversation.[/quote'] how do you know that was only was his captaincy?We are debating only captaincy here.Obviously IK was much better cricketer overall
putrevus Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Imran was respected by his peers like Viv' date='Chapple, Sunny among others exacly like Sachin is respected by Wasim Warne Lara etc. Dhoni doesn't even enter the conversation.[/quote'] who says Dhoni is not respected by his peers and past players. , he is not becoming ICC team of the year captain just like that where do you come up with these assertions.
putrevus Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 how do you know that was only was his captaincy?We are debating only captaincy here.Obviously IK was much better cricketer overall how is Imran better cricketer overall, Dhobi beats him hands down as a Odi player and in Asia Dhobi is best captain and keeper. If dhobi improves his avg overseas much like how imran became from bowler who could handle the bat occasionally to stubborn bat, Dhoni can easily do that.
mancalledsting Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Imran has more racist views than any one else I know. Ok, even if he was the most prejudiced person on earth (and I'm yet to see any evidence of it), it still doesn't stop him from being a better captain than Dhoni. And also if people feel so morally offended by his prejudice, then they shouldn't respond with counter prejudice as this nulls the validity of their initial grievance.
velu Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Ok' date=' even if he was the most prejudiced person on earth (and I'm yet to see any evidence of it), it still doesn't stop him from being a better captain than Dhoni.[/quote'] misbah is a better captain than imran .. imran is overrated in padosiland .. if we go by what padosis say imran was suppose to become the president of USA in 2007 itself :giggle:
Lord Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 how is Imran better cricketer overall, Dhobi beats him hands down as a Odi player and in Asia Dhobi is best captain and keeper. If dhobi improves his avg overseas much like how imran became from bowler who could handle the bat occasionally to stubborn bat, Dhoni can easily do that. I'm talking of Tests more.Dhoni's yet to score an overseas ton.IK averaged same plus was great with the ball
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