Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Vilander]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

D.Chahar and Harshal .. Consistent 90 kph+ and low bounce throughout their 4 overs. They can maintain 90 kph+ and low bounce even if they have to bowl 6 overs instead of their customary 4.  That is called stamina  !

 

 

Don’t loose hope express 

[Jay]

umesh

varun aaron

saini

umran

nathu singh

tyagi

 

4 of them are still here. 

 

some real pace demons have come through. dont ruin it. we need more of these players.

bumrah should be the ultimate target however. 

bumrahs

shamis 

umesh/umrans 

thats what we should aim for. 

[Lord]

12 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Maybe 1 quicker pacer will be picked.

 

Bumrah / Siraj

Bhuvi

Harshal / D.Chahar 

 

 

Such attacks will still get smashed in ICC tournaments and will be overall boring to watch.

 

 

 

that was same under Kohli-Shastri. Cant blame Dravid-Rohit that too after one series.Need to wait

 

The real problem is Bhuvi's batting hasnt improved so we have to play these Chahar and Thakur for depth.Also means we cant play quicker bowlers, as Bhuvi offers economy.

 

 

[Dery]

Need to close this thread or rename it as non Indian bowlers 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

that was same under Kohli-Shastri. Cant blame Dravid-Rohit that too after one series.Need to wait

 

The real problem is Bhuvi's batting hasnt improved so we have to play these Chahar and Thakur for depth.Also means we cant play quicker bowlers, as Bhuvi offers economy.

 

 

 

Bhuvi had decent batting ability in test matches as a No.8 but was never a big hitter for LOIs. So, nothing new there.

 

We can easily play 2 specialist quicks and a specialist spinner from 9 to 11. 

 

We should try new specislist pacers in these slots with the WC 1 year away. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Bhuvi had decent batting ability in test matches as a No.8 but was never a big hitter for LOIs. So, nothing new there.

 

We can easily play 2 specialist quicks and a specialist spinner from 9 to 11. 

 

We should try new specislist pacers in these slots with the WC 1 year away. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bhuvi is seen as that 2nd specialist pacer in LOIs. We can try others alongside Bhuvi or Bumrah(only one will play) in bilaterals,but unlikely they displace Bhuvi in crunch games.

 

 

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Bhuvi is seen as that 2nd specialist pacer in LOIs. We can try others alongside Bhuvi or Bumrah(only one will play) in bilaterals,but unlikely they displace Bhuvi in crunch games.

 

 

 

We are not picking sufficient wickets in LOIs.

 

It's high time we looked for some genuine wicket takers. 

 

An attack of Bhuvi, Bumrah and D.Chahar won't give us sufficient wickets in big matches. 

[Lord]

11 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

We are not picking sufficient wickets in LOIs.

 

It's high time we looked for some genuine wicket takers. 

 

An attack of Bhuvi, Bumrah and D.Chahar won't give us sufficient wickets in big matches. 

 

Agree,need to play wicket takers.

 

But then if even young pacers get hit,they get criticised heavily. There is no patience among TM or even fans.

 

Shami should have played lot more ODIs than he did.

 

I hope if a young quick is tried,hes given atleast 10 games straight.

[Vilander]

Bhuvneshwar is so slow lol the guy should retire 

[Vilander]

The fun would be when folks like Sanjay Mumbaikar and harsha boggle head lay will commentate on a game with Indian trundles at low bhuviesque 120s against non threatening jolly medium teams like NZ etc trundling themselves at 130 and then normalize it by saying stuff like “ key difference is that pace that Indians lack, Indians never had fast bowlers , Indians never had bowlers that hid the 140s, medium pace to take shine off the ball” etc  just conviniently ignoring the whole decade of fast bowling exploits . 
 

thanks no eye contact good boy Dravid .. 

 

it’s game Over Maan… 

 

 

 

 

[Vilander]

Gaaawwwddd Kohli Bewda plzzz come baaaack come baaaackkkkk 

 

[Jay]

19 minutes ago, Vilander said:

The fun would be when folks like Sanjay Mumbaikar and harsha boggle head lay will commentate on a game with Indian trundles at low bhuviesque 120s against non threatening jolly medium teams like NZ etc trundling themselves at 130 and then normalize it by saying stuff like “ key difference is that pace that Indians lack, Indians never had fast bowlers , Indians never had bowlers that hid the 140s, medium pace to take shine off the ball” etc  just conviniently ignoring the whole decade of fast bowling exploits . 
 

thanks no eye contact good boy Dravid .. 

 

it’s game Over Maan… 

 

 

 

 

Harsha who himself looks like someone who has had tourettes and the other asinine dweeb l won't address are like old Indian uncles. They just want to denigrate their own people to make themselves feel better. It's hard to accept the fact that there are plenty of fast bowling talents in India. 

Harsha will always be the sycophant he is. He would claim how he has never seen an Indian bowler bowl a bouncer or bowl at pace before and hurt opponents. Yea because srianth and sreesanth etc could never bowl one in the past? Lol.

Complete Muppet. People like him and manju need to be sent to a concentration camp. 

 

Many such Indians exist on this forum and in real life. I don't know why they have this mentality but it's really sickening to see. Even guys like srt 100. He is basically modern life harsha in disguise. India is a diverse race. There are plenty of strong, weak and average sized people. Plenty of fast bowling talents. We just don't have the infrastructure and training facilities or the sporting encouragement from Indian parents in general to excel in all sports. It's changing though. If anything, Indians from Asia have the best potential to excel in sports. We have access to people in all sizes. 

[Jay]

27 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Gaaawwwddd Kohli Bewda plzzz come baaaack come baaaackkkkk 

 

Dude even if we win titles with trundlers, I couldn't care less. I want to see fast bowlers. Ideally win with fast bowlers. Cricket is entertainment. I don't pay money to watch trundlers. 

 

If drvaid reinstates trundler culture then I would take bewda back anyday. Just no to kohli. Would rather have rahane as captain. 

[Axl100mph]

16 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Very true. These medium pacers never work in the long run and they get found out sooner or later. 

 

Wilfully choosing so many of them make no sense.

 

There was a time when Pakistan was doing the same in the 2013 to 2018 period or thereabouts. 

 

Lots of people criticized Pakistan trying rookies like Naseem, Shaheen, Musa etc. in Australia but I always felt that that was the only good thing the Pakistan selectors did in a long time. And it will reap benefits a couple of years down the line. 

 

The only way to build a strong pace attack is to invest in lots quick bowlers. Some will come good and some won't. Which is why a large pool is needed. 

 

The easiest way to make a team mediocre is to create a pool of trundlers. No country has ever succeeded following this approach.

Between 2010-2018, we went through a severe talent drought. There was literally nothing emerging in domestic cricket.  Just a bunch of oldies n chachas plying their trade. For example at one point we were opening our odi bowling attack with Anwar Ali and Sohail Tanvir, with Bhatti and Junaid supporting them. This is why we were so desperate for Amir's comeback.

 

However, in the last 2 years there there has been a sudden unflux of young fast bowlers and cricketers that have broken through different channels, so much so that now we have great depth in LOI cricket.

 

I truly believe that Pakistan has seen and recovered from its worst phase. Pity that you didnt face us during that era to rectify your negative bilateral record against us becausethat really was the decade for you to do it.

From here onwards, Pakistan's stock is only going to rise because the local talent is coming through again, and the inspiration which was dead is being rekindled. 

Edited November 23, 2021 by Axl100mph

[Adi_91]

8 minutes ago, Axl100mph said:

Between 2010-2018, we went through a severe talent drought. There was literally nothing emerging in domestic cricket.  Just a bunch of oldies n chachas plying their trade. For example at one point we were opening our odi bowling attack with Anwar Ali and Sohail Tanvir, with Bhatti and Junaid supporting them. This is why we were so desperate for Amir's comeback.

 

However, in the last 2 years there there has been a sudden unflux of young fast bowlers and cricketers that have broken through different channels, so much so that now we have great depth in LOI cricket.

 

I truly believe that Pakistan has seen and recovered from its worst phase. Pity that you didnt face us during that era to rectify your negative bilateral record against us becausethat really was the decade for you to do it.

From here onwards, Pakistan's stock is only going to rise because the local talent is coming through again, and the inspiration which was dead is being rekindled. 

 

As I have always said, good for you and cheer for your team. You don't have to bring India in every discussion I think. Your bowlers don't start bowling/practicing cricket to bowl/bat against India. Sometimes fans get carried away and you seem to be heading in that direction.

 

For us, we have no regrets. India is a strong cricketing force and doesn't need validation by playing Pakistan or for that matter any one particular team and bettering a record of the past. Past hardly matters in life and in sport. 

[Axl100mph]

10 minutes ago, Adi_91 said:

 

As I have always said, good for you and cheer for your team. You don't have to bring India in every discussion I think. Your bowlers don't start bowling/practicing cricket to bowl/bat against India. Sometimes fans get carried away and you seem to be heading in that direction.

 

For us, we have no regrets. India is a strong cricketing force and doesn't need validation by playing Pakistan or for that matter any one particular team and bettering a record of the past. Past hardly matters in life and in sport. 

It is futile to deny the natural rivalry.

One could argue that this has changed for Indian players in the last decade with their graphs improving immensely while their Pakistani counterparts' have dipped simultaneously but inherently both sides would love to picture their most iconic performances against each other.

 

This really should have been your decade of dominance in all honesty, particularly with how bad we were. And whether you like it or not the bilateral record does come up as does the world cup one for bragging rights.

I really think you missed a big opportunity to stamp your dominance in the books by not playing us this decade. 

So many memories missed out to undo the thumping of the 90's.

This will come to bite you as we get better through this decade and our bilaterals resume which is likely once your PM is removed in 2023.

 

 

[Adi_91]

8 minutes ago, Axl100mph said:

It is futile to deny the natural rivalry.

One could argue that this has changed for Indian players in the last decade with their graphs improving immensely while their Pakistani counterparts' have dipped simultaneously but inherently both sides would love to picture their most iconic performances against each other.

 

This really should have been your decade of dominance in all honesty, particularly with how bad we were. And whether you like it or not the bilateral record does come up as does the world cup one for bragging rights.

I really think you missed a big opportunity to stamp your dominance in the books by not playing us this decade. 

So many memories missed out to undo the thumping of the 90's.

This will come to bite you as we get better through this decade and our bilaterals resume which is likely once your PM is removed in 2023.

 

 

 

Very unfortunate for a poster from across the border I thought until now to be posting this in a cricket forum.  No cricketing logic in this except hate.

[Jay]

1 hour ago, Axl100mph said:

It is futile to deny the natural rivalry.

One could argue that this has changed for Indian players in the last decade with their graphs improving immensely while their Pakistani counterparts' have dipped simultaneously but inherently both sides would love to picture their most iconic performances against each other.

 

This really should have been your decade of dominance in all honesty, particularly with how bad we were. And whether you like it or not the bilateral record does come up as does the world cup one for bragging rights.

I really think you missed a big opportunity to stamp your dominance in the books by not playing us this decade. 

So many memories missed out to undo the thumping of the 90's.

This will come to bite you as we get better through this decade and our bilaterals resume which is likely once your PM is removed in 2023.

 

 

WC is not bilaterals. 

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, Axl100mph said:

It is futile to deny the natural rivalry.

One could argue that this has changed for Indian players in the last decade with their graphs improving immensely while their Pakistani counterparts' have dipped simultaneously but inherently both sides would love to picture their most iconic performances against each other.

 

This really should have been your decade of dominance in all honesty, particularly with how bad we were. And whether you like it or not the bilateral record does come up as does the world cup one for bragging rights.

I really think you missed a big opportunity to stamp your dominance in the books by not playing us this decade. 

So many memories missed out to undo the thumping of the 90's.

This will come to bite you as we get better through this decade and our bilaterals resume which is likely once your PM is removed in 2023.

 

 

 

 

You can keep dreaming about past bilaterals, or fantasize about ghost "improvements" in your team.  Based on tonty tonty games where your team didn't even make the final.  Come talk to us about 'improvement' when your team manages to salvage a draw in Australia, instead of getting beaten across the board.   

 

And Indians don't care as much about "rivalry" with Pakistan as much as you folks seem to do.  Sure its great for banter and BS, but there is a strong support for the cricket boycott that goes beyond this "PM", or any other political matter.  

 

Bilateral cricket is a privilege, and one that will not be gifted to Pakistan until greenbros hopefully finally taste what freedom means, by getting themselves azaadi from under the boots of the fake jernail zamindars who currently loot your awaam, while sending murderers into India.  So until that policy changes, majority of Indians are absolutely fine with no bilateral cricket.  

 

 

 

[Axl100mph]

2 hours ago, Adi_91 said:

 

Very unfortunate for a poster from across the border I thought until now to be posting this in a cricket forum.  No cricketing logic in this except hate.

Hate? What hate?

You are misconstrueing what I mean.

All i meant to say was, the rivalry is expected to become competitive again, so the overarching advantage you had in the last decade will be greatly reduced.