Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Jay]

1 hour ago, Mesky99 said:

Olivier is terrific but don't underrate someone like sipamla, if he does get a chance he is one those nagging line length bowlers around 82-84 mph in pace with great seam movement. I just hope our batsmen work on their footwork before the sa series, some drills with a wet bowl, also they need to be playing the pull consistently, once rabada gets hit around he at times doesn't seem to have a plan B.

Ngidi too. He can be intimidating in south africa. 

 

Our batsmen are hopeless if the oldies are picked again. Quota players are going to get smashed. If we pick a younger team we can beat the saffers. 

 

Make no mistake. Olivier/sipamla nortje rabada qdk Elgar Markram Mulder etc. This is no joke. They aren't weak by any means. They are as strong as they were in the past. For some reason results do not reflect their true ability. 

 

It's a strong unit. England have always beaten them in the past. Even in 2000 era England won in s.africa. so don't mistaken them losing to England as a sign of weakness. Not too long ago they also beat new zeland away without ABD although steyn morkel and philander played. 

If anything current bowling looks even stronger tbh. Steyn wasn't In his prime when they last beat Kiwis.

Edited December 2, 2021 by Jay

[express bowling]

Ishant Sharma out of the 2nd test.

 

One of the better things that could have happened to our bowling unit.

 

This is the 8th test that Ishant is missing due to injury in the last 2 years. What is the point of continuing with such an injury prone old pacer who is not performing in recent times either and looking slow and out of energy !

 

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Who will play in place of Ishant  ?

 

And who will replace Jadeja ?

 

 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

ind pacers in the last 4 yrs

 

 

overall

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wktshttp://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/blackArrowDown.gif	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
Mohammed Shami	2017-2021	28	52	819.0	169	2587	103	6/56	7/58	25.11	3.15	47.7	3	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
JJ Bumrah	2018-2021	24	46	866.5	212	2302	101	6/27	9/86	22.79	2.65	51.4	6	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
I Sharma	2017-2021	28	52	730.5	166	2027	93	5/22	9/78	21.79	2.77	47.1	4	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
UT Yadav	2017-2021	15	30	379.3	59	1259	59	6/88	10/133	21.33	3.31	38.5	2	1	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
Mohammed Siraj	2020-2021	9	17	287.1	61	882	30	5/73	8/126	29.40	3.07	57.4	1	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
SN Thakur	2018-2021	4	7	93.4	15	318	14	4/61	7/155	22.71	3.39	40.1	0	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
HH Pandya	2018-2018	8	14	124.1	16	433	13	5/28	6/50	33.30	3.48	57.3	1	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
B Kumar	2018-2018	2	4	67.0	22	203	10	4/87	6/120	20.30	3.02	40.2	0	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
NA Saini	2021-2021	2	4	41.5	5	172	4	2/54	4/119	43.00	4.11	62.7	0	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
T Natarajan	2021-2021	1	2	38.2	7	119	3	3/78	3/119	39.66	3.10	76.6	0	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
V Kohli	2017-2021	35	3	3.0	0	9	0	-	-	-	3.00	-	0	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
AM Rahane	2017-2021	38	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wktshttp://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/blackArrowDown.gif	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
UT Yadav	2017-2021	9	18	209.3	36	684	42	6/88	10/133	16.28	3.26	29.9	2	1	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
I Sharma	2017-2021	12	22	247.3	61	724	32	5/22	9/78	22.62	2.92	46.4	1	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
Mohammed Shami	2017-2019	7	14	175.2	49	496	27	5/35	7/58	18.37	2.82	38.9	1	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
JJ Bumrah	2021-2021	2	3	48.0	10	129	4	3/84	4/110	32.25	2.68	72.0	0	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
Mohammed Siraj	2021-2021	2	4	26.0	7	68	3	2/45	2/57	22.66	2.61	52.0	0	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
V Kohli	2017-2021	13	2	2.0	0	5	0	-	-	-	2.50	-	0	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
HH Pandya	2018-2018	1	2	9.0	2	24	0	-	-	-	2.66	-	0	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
SN Thakur	2018-2018	1	1	1.4	0	9	0	-	-	-	5.40	-	0	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
AM Rahane	2017-2021	15	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Problem is ... in 2021, Ishant, Umesh and Shami are old and keep running out of steam.

 

All of them were superb in the 2015 to 2019 period, when they were younger and energetic.

[prudent_kreeda]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

Ishant Sharma out of the 2nd test.

 

One of the better things that could have happened to our bowling unit.

 

This is the 8th test that Ishant is missing due to injury in the last 2 years. What is the point of continuing with such an injury prone old pacer who is not performing in recent times either and looking slow and out of energy !

 

 

Absolutely. Need to move on from Ishant in Tests, Bhuvi in short format  in Bowling. 

[express bowling]

Indian fast bowlers in the last 12 months ( on 3rd December 2021 )

 

Bowling averages ...

 

Ishant.    32.71 from 8 tests

Shami     30.06 from 5 tests

Umesh.   29.41 from 5 tests

Siraj.       29.40 from 10 tests

Bumrah. 27.84 from 10 tests

Shardul. 22.07 from 3 test

 

Indian quicks' performances have dipped sharply in the last year ... especially the 3 older ones. ( Siraj is jusf starting his career and averaging 29 is ok in the first 10 tests )

 

It is this current form and ability that matters most.

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_average;qualmin1=10;qualval1=wickets;spanmin1=03+Dec+2020;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by express bowling

[New guy]

31 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Indian fast bowlers in the last 12 months ( on 3rd December 2021 )

 

Bowling averages ...

 

Ishant.    32.71 from 8 tests

Shami     30.06 from 5 tests

Umesh.   29.41 from 5 tests

Siraj.       29.40 from 10 tests

Bumrah. 27.84 from 10 tests

Shardul. 22.07 from 3 test

 

Indian quicks' performances have dipped sharply in the last year ... especially the 3 older ones. ( Siraj is jusf starting his career and averaging 29 is ok in the first 10 tests )

 

It is this current form and ability that matters most.

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_average;qualmin1=10;qualval1=wickets;spanmin1=03+Dec+2020;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

 

 

Last year is also when we moved from sporty wickets to dust bowls

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, New guy said:

Last year is also when we moved from sporty wickets to dust bowls

 

9 tests in SENA.

Ahmedabad was a sporting track.

Kanpur provided help for seamers. 

Edited December 3, 2021 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Why is Jayant Yadav playing ahead of Kuldeep Yadav ?

 

Is he perceived to be a better bowler ?

 

Or do we have to choose bowlers based on batting ability because we have to have 3 duds at 3 to 5 ?

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Why is Jayant Yadav playing ahead of Kuldeep Yadav ?

 

Is he perceived to be a better bowler ?

 

Or do we have to choose bowlers based on batting ability because we have to have 3 duds at 3 to 5 ?

Because Kuldeep is useless.

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Because Kuldeep is useless.

 

 

Kuldeep averages 23.9 in test matches with a fifer in Australia. How useless can he be ?

 

 

 

[Mosher]

Umesh 141.5. Bowled another one at 140. Much better pace. Needs to keep this intensity.

Edited December 4, 2021 by Mosher

[Mosher]

Siraj gets Young with a peach at 137kph. Bounce and a bit of away seam movement. 

[Mosher]

Siraj 141

[Mosher]

Short ball by Siraj gets Latham. Bowled at 148kph. Siraj on fire!!

[Suhaan]

8 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Umesh 141.5. Bowled another one at 140. Much better pace. Needs to keep this intensity.

Ishant demoralized the whole attack

[express bowling]

Just now, Mosher said:

Short ball by Siraj gets Latham. Bowled at 148kph. Siraj on fire!!

 

Bro, what was the speed of the previous bouncer ?

[express bowling]

This is what extra pace does.

 

Siraj bowling lots of balls in the 140 kph to 148 kph range with decent accuracy and good bounce.

 

2 wickets in 2 overs.

[Mosher]

@express bowlingbro as you rightly said before this shows the importance of playing young guys who can bowl with intensity instead of old tired and unfit bowlers like Ishant.

[Mosher]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Bro, what was the speed of the previous bouncer ?

I think it was at 137