Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[vishalvirsingh]

3 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

 

Was talking about the bounce of the length, not bouncers aimed at ribs or helmet, batters are not able to play drives it either hits v.close to splice. To either batter has to play backfoot punch or pull.

 

Mavi has decreased his pace considerably, lot of his balls were under 125 kmph when he played for Ind in T20s, Last/previous to last ranji season when he was picking up bunch of wkts speedometers was showing him bowling under 125 kmph, few were as slow as 118 kmph. 

 

Yes domestic speedometers are not that accurate but there can not be a difference of 10 kmph

 

 

i suggest then mavi should retire and become a coach

 

[Suhaan]

19 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

i suggest then mavi should retire and become a coach

 

What he will teach?

 

Edited March 12 by Suhaan

[express bowling]

What works in.Ranji Trophy does not necessarily work in Test matches. 

 

So, checking stats of every Ranji pacer is not relevant while shortlisting players for test cricket. 

 

This is where a good selector comes in, who understands the above facts and acts accordingly. 

Edited March 12 by express bowling

[MediumPacer]

ranji backbenchers wont make it either

 

 

but then batsmen and spinners can be picked based on stat tables,it's mostly pacers that struggle.

[Kron]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

What works in.Ranji Trophy does not necessarily work in Test matches. 

 

So, checking stats of every Ranji pacer is not relevant while shortlisting players for test cricket. 

 

This is where a good selector comes in, who understands the above facts and acts accordingly. 

Even unde4cutter has crazy stats in ranji but he struggled alot vs Bangladesh itself

[Kron]

34 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

ranji backbenchers wont make it either

 

 

but then batsmen and spinners can be picked based on stat tables,it's mostly pacers that struggle.

Pitches for int games are different to ranji

[Vijy]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

What works in.Ranji Trophy does not necessarily work in Test matches. 

 

So, checking stats of every Ranji pacer is not relevant while shortlisting players for test cricket. 

 

This is where a good selector comes in, who understands the above facts and acts accordingly. 

can't ignore their records, can't over-weight them. balance is needed.

[Suhaan]

28 minutes ago, Vijy said:

can't ignore their records, can't over-weight them. balance is needed.

Yes impact ,no. Of missed chances

A pacer can bowl well still may not get wickets for fielders dropping catches, flying through edges etc

No. Of matches played,if a fast bowler gets to play 5-5+ matches and still ends up with 30-35+bowling average shouldn't be given leeway either+ one should also take into account number of wickets against weak sides or wickets picked after the match is well and truly gone due to batsmen taking chances etc

Edited March 13 by Suhaan

[MediumPacer]

2 hours ago, Kron said:

Pitches for int games are different to ranji

What's your point?Likes of sen, umran can't bowl on ranji pitches

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

can't ignore their records, can't over-weight them. balance is needed.

 

 

1)   Create a pool of players who have the necessary attributes to succeed in international cricket.

 

2)  Groom and guide those players who have the attributes needed  in international cricket but don't have good stats in domestic cricket. 

 

3)  Create a smaller pool from the above pool, consisting of players who have good stats in domestic cricket. 

 

4)  From the above pool, pick those players for international cricket who are performing in big matches or under pressure. 

 

P.S .... I used the term "necessarily" in your quoted post for this reason. 

[Kron]

3 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

What's your point?Likes of sen, umran can't bowl on ranji pitches

Doesn't mean they won't be effective on bouncier faster pitches.

Edited March 13 by Kron

[MediumPacer]

1 hour ago, Kron said:

Doesn't mean they won't be effective time on bouncier faster pitched.

Give some examples of such players who struggle in ranji but succeed on bouncy pitches.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, MediumPacer said:

Give some examples of such players who struggle in ranji but succeed on bouncy pitches.

Pitch started as a green, later turned into a flat pitch with lot of bounce.

Mukesh bowled well with new ball, as soon as conditions flattened he became useless.

 

Kuldeep Sen tore through Saurashtra with old ball in first inns and then absolutely crushed second inns and took a 5fer. Was bowling fast and with bounce. Got the wicket of Pujara in both inns courtesy of his pace and disconcerting bounce.

 

 

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scorecard/52834/saur-vs-roi-irani-cup-irani-cup-2022

[Nikhil_cric]

Akashdeep bowls decent Test match speeds and has good new ball skills. Not that good with the old ball but that can improve.

 

Why wouldn't he work on a bouncy track ?

 

 

[Kron]

2 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

Give some examples of such players who struggle in ranji but succeed on bouncy pitches.

Well we won't know until they play. Cant just rule them out.

[Kron]

2 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

Give some examples of such players who struggle in ranji but succeed on bouncy pitches.

Akashdeep looked 130 to 138 in ranji. But his actual speeds in int is higher 136 to 143 he was bowling.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Akashdeep bowls decent Test match speeds and has good new ball skills. Not that good with the old ball but that can improve.

 

Why wouldn't he work on a bouncy track ?

 

 

Akashdeep is an accurate, 140 k+, tallish hit the pacer who gets bounce and seam movement. Knows how to pick wickets in FC and is 135 k+ in his slower spells.

 

He is likely to be better than most other Indian pacers on bouncy tracks, barring Bumrah. 

[Vijy]

12 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Akashdeep is an accurate, 140 k+, tallish hit the pacer who gets bounce and seam movement. Knows how to pick wickets in FC and is 135 k+ in his slower spells.

 

He is likely to be better than most other Indian pacers on bouncy tracks, barring Bumrah. 

if Rana can get some games, he is also likely to do well. both he and akash can bat to an extent as well

[Kron]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Akashdeep is an accurate, 140 k+, tallish hit the pacer who gets bounce and seam movement. Knows how to pick wickets in FC and is 135 k+ in his slower spells.

 

He is likely to be better than most other Indian pacers on bouncy tracks, barring Bumrah. 

Was really surprised how quick and strong he is. 

Really well.built. like a big shami

6.2 height

[Vijy]

Just now, Kron said:

Was really surprised how quick and strong he is. 

Really well.built. like a big shami

6.2 height

I wish he was bigger - size is everything, yes? should aim to get to the rana-type physique, like a tank :P