Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Straight Drive]

Bumrah was unable to maintain line and length. The problem of our 135- 145 bowlers is exactly that. Just wondering the pace which our bowlers have and if that is accompanied by line and length of Bhuvi, what a lethal bowling it would be.

[rkt.india]

44 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Just for some perspective , Philander at 125 with movement troubles international batters as we have seen in this test too. Does the same in county. Bhuvi is highest wicket taker for us rather than Bumrah or Shaming. 

Philander has actually slowed 5-8 km and on these when balls, even 125k bowler will trouble anyone if bowled in right areas. Our bowlers gave too many half volleys. They aren't able to hit that required length consistently.

[express bowling]

40 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

 Just wondering the pace which our bowlers have and if that is accompanied by line and length of Bhuvi, what a lethal bowling it would be.

 

Will average less than 25 if it happens.

 

Eagerly waiting for such an Indian pacer all my life.

 

Saini and Bumrah have the potential.

[Straight Drive]

35 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Philander has actually slowed 5-8 km and on these when balls, even 125k bowler will trouble anyone if bowled in right areas. Our bowlers gave too many half volleys. They aren't able to hit that required length consistently.

The point I was trying to make is there are rare bowlers who bowl at 145 and have the line and length consistency. Likewise there are rare bowlers who are having consistent line and length but can also bowl 140 to 145 consistently.

 

Philanders pace will drop henceforth as now he has got multiple injuries and has made comebacks few times. Even Steyns pace is dropped due to injury. Morkek too post recent injury is bowling around 138.

These impacts of injury in speed are but natural. The careers of bowlers will be spoilt like that of Cummins or Bond if they try to bowl as fast as they were when fully fit. So the common sense is that bowlers try to bowl slightly lesser so that they neither worsen the injury as well as stress only as much as their operated shoulders or back can take. I do not blame bowlers. They get naturally restricted by pain when they try to bowl at speeds before injury. Just because we want them to bowl fast, they will not. 

 

Same things will happen to Bumrah. Post one or two injuries we will see his speed drop. Shami too is now feeling impact of injury comeback.

 

Our bowling was not too bad. 286 by home team like SA is less. However, I do agree that bowling should have been better considering the wicket and other conditions. I don't think there was more than one Yorker bowled by any of our bowler. The use of Yorker is something our bowlers must work upon.

 

 

Edited January 7, 2018 by Straight Drive

[Straight Drive]

21 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Will average less than 25 if it happens.

 

Eagerly waiting for such an Indian pacer all my life.

 

Saini and Bumrah have the potential.

Do you think Bumrah can actually get his line and length with such a action and at pace he is bowling now.

[express bowling]

Just now, Straight Drive said:

Do you think Bumrah can actually get his line and length with such a action and at pace he is bowling now.

Bumrah is a very accurate bowler, meaning he can land the ball where he wants to.  His fast yorkers and low ER in both ODIs and T20Is showcase this ability.

 

In tests, he will just have to work out the areas that he has to bowl to get regular wickets .... and he should be able to do it.

 

The fact that he does not use his non-bowling arm, has not affected either his accuracy or pace.

[Straight Drive]

24 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Bumrah is a very accurate bowler, meaning he can land the ball where he wants to.  His fast yorkers and low ER in both ODIs and T20Is showcase this ability.

 

In tests, he will just have to work out the areas that he has to bowl to get regular wickets .... and he should be able to do it.

 

The fact that he does not use his non-bowling arm, has not affected either his accuracy or pace.

Let's see.  Will be great if he does manage to. That will be an outstanding bowler, 145 accompanied with Bhuvi line and length.

[Rightarmfast]

Bowling is like a game of chess. The dynamic keeps changing as per the pitch, as per the batsmen etc etc etc... Any bowler can bowl inswing, outswing, yorker etc... But the real champions keep thinking and keep making changes. Only Zaheer Khan from India used to do this.

Indian bowlers just go with the motion,  only use their technique of bowling, they dont use tactics. The max they use is a bit of field placement, and a bit of line adjustment so that the batsmen play a shot towards the fielder placed. They don't work out the batsmen much beyond that.

 

Bumrah comes across as a thinking bowler. I feel, with time he can start outthinking the batsmen. Even Shami does that, but his body doesnt support him, like it isnt supporting right now. Bhuvi is developing this skill too, though.

[vayuu1]

Bumrah is a very accurate bowler, meaning he can land the ball where he wants to.  His fast yorkers and low ER in both ODIs and T20Is showcase this ability.
 
In tests, he will just have to work out the areas that he has to bowl to get regular wickets .... and he should be able to do it.
 
The fact that he does not use his non-bowling arm, has not affected either his accuracy or pace.

I feel he has to be patient enough that is one area where our fast bowler lacks, they try to create chances rather than persisting with a 5th stump line just short of good length, bowling in test is all about patience and consistency, of which Guys like McGrath use to do day in day out, .

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[vayuu1]

Other thing I have notice is the fast bowlers get matures very late here, barring zaheer, we have seen guy burst on scene raise expections and then stop using brains, stop doing things they were doing things that they were doing consistently.

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[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, vayuu1 said:

I feel he has to be patient enough that is one area where our fast bowler lacks, they try to create chances rather than persisting with a 5th stump line just short of good length, bowling in test is all about patience and consistency, of which Guys like McGrath use to do day in day out, .

 

Absolutely.     Looking at Saini bowl in 2 FC matches, he was displaying these qualities.

[vayuu1]

Absolutely.     Looking at Saini bowl in 2 FC matches, he was displaying these qualities.

But the thing is 2 FC matches is too short a sample size to judge that, has to do it for a consistent amount of time, I honestly feel BCCI should divide players into test and look specialist according to their caliber, abdallow the test specialists to play county cricket, guys like Umesh, ishant should play county along with the India prospects like avesh, aniket, warrior ,saini, rajpoot, thakur, for the overall development as a bowler, they will learn a lot of things especially the their weaknesses and will rectify it.

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[CoverDrive]

The SA pace attack is one of the strongest in recent times. They are really pissed about the dire pitches served up to them in India and are going all fire. This attack is so good that even with Steyn out it looks like a complete bowling attack. Though they took a chance with thinner batting and it may even have backfired if our guys had played sensibly like the last tour. 

 

Philander is accurate as ever though good to see that Bhuvi is now faster that him. Steyn really cranked it up and Rabada was good. You still feel that their bowlers can still bowl better. 

[vayuu1]

The SA pace attack is one of the strongest in recent times. They are really pissed about the dire pitches served up to them in India and are going all fire. This attack is so good that even with Steyn out it looks like a complete bowling attack. Though they took a chance with thinner batting and it may even have backfired if our guys had played sensibly like the last tour. 
 
Philander is accurate as ever though good to see that Bhuvi is now faster that him. Steyn really cranked it up and Rabada was good. You still feel that their bowlers can still bowl better. 

But atleast with steyn gone you know that their can be some respite from one end, the mistake we are doing is, best way to nullify swing and seam is to use depth of the crease guys like Tendulkar, Lara,waugh,ponting,dravid use to utilize the depth along with assured movement to nullify it and play as late as possible and if you are already a foot and a half outside then u are giving urself lesser time to counter swing and seam as well as bounce, that is why Kohli,sharma look so hurried up by deliveries at time, coz they are giving themselves lesser time to adjust to the delivery as they would have liked, might work in subcontinent or windies but it's a bigger loophole when you travel abroad.

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[vishalvirsingh]

bumrah Fires ..gets their captain.

[Mosher]

Excellent bowling from Bumrah today. Shami is not at his best but still has picked up 3 wickets 

[New guy]

10 wickets to fast bowlers

[vishalvirsingh]

8 minutes ago, New guy said:

10 wickets to fast bowlers

18 wickets in 2 innings and 2 by ashwin.

[vishalvirsingh]

finally shammi bhuvrah and bhuvi fire....

208 is very very tuf to get..even if india does not manage to score that much ..my day is Made.

 

on this Pitch where india took 8 wickets of 65 runs ...scoring 208 is very very tuf.

 

may be 140 was manageable..indians need to continue scoring ,if they get into a no run mode ..they wud get out sooner than later and india needs to let hardik go ahead of ashwin and saha so that he has some chance to perform.

 

lets see how india Bats...but yes 208 is very tuf...but india can win.

 

[speedheat]

Not watching the match but no doubt our bowlers brought us in to the match out of nowhere 

So posting their speeds