express bowling Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: so whats the issue ? arzan can bowl in the 130-140 range and can bowl nicely as well ,maybe a he can gain a few ks, he is not that slow compared to the likes of shami and bumrah. I have not seen Nagaswalla enough to comment on him with a lot of conviction. But my initial impression is that he does not hurry batsmen or bowl with hostility. ( Visually he looks much slower and less bouncy than Bumrah and Shami ) I will be happy if he can do both though. It is always possible that I have seen him in his slower spells. Suhaan and Mosher 2 Link to comment
Jay Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 10 hours ago, MultiB48 said: Odd balls don't matter ,most of the time he is bowling 135-145ks . Top fast bowlers all bowl in that range. No one can sustain speeds of 140 plus consistently except maybe Starc due to his bowling action and nortje who actually slowed down in India when he last toured. Shami bowls 138-140 on average vs n.z Bumrah 139 vs England. That's really quick in tests. For comparison Starc averages 142. Hazelwood 136. Cummins 139.5. Booms and shams are quick. Period. themask, speedster, Mosher and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment
Vijy Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 19 hours ago, express bowling said: Nagaswalla looked like a very medium paced swing bowler to me. Does not hurry the batsman at all if the ball is not moving. I have seen him bowl in some ranjis. the thing is that he can bowl 135-140, but it's only for a 3-4 over stretch and in rest of spells he was around 128-131. needs to get that avg speed up by 5-7 kmph (not impossible) and then he would be a real handful. Mosher, express bowling and Rightarmfast 3 Link to comment
express bowling Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Vijy said: I have seen him bowl in some ranjis. the thing is that he can bowl 135-140, but it's only for a 3-4 over stretch and in rest of spells he was around 128-131. needs to get that avg speed up by 5-7 kmph (not impossible) and then he would be a real handful. Yeah ... unless a pacer has some exceptional quality or is old and experienced ... a minimum pace of 135 k to 145 k and the ability to sustain speeds is desirable. Moreover, getting zip off the deck is very important, be it pacers or spinners. Ability to hit the deck hard for bounce and seam movement ... when the ball is not swinging, is an essential quality too for a pacer. Edited March 10, 2021 by express bowling Vijy and Mosher 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Jay said: Top fast bowlers all bowl in that range. No one can sustain speeds of 140 plus consistently except maybe Starc due to his bowling action and nortje who actually slowed down in India when he last toured. Shami bowls 138-140 on average vs n.z Bumrah 139 vs England. That's really quick in tests. For comparison Starc averages 142. Hazelwood 136. Cummins 139.5. Booms and shams are quick. Period. Average speeds for test matches are available for 2018 10 quickest pacers .... 1. Starc. 141.5 2. Gabriel. 140.6 3. Bumrah. 139.0 4. Rabada. 138.8 5. Cummins 138.4 6. Kumara. 137.6 7. Shami. 137 2 8. Morkel. 137.0 9. Hazlewood. 136.6 10. Umesh. 136.5 https://www.google.com/amp/s/cricket.yahoo.net/amp/news/top-10-fastest-bowlers-2018-114147295 Mosher and Vijy 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Jay said: Top fast bowlers all bowl in that range. No one can sustain speeds of 140 plus consistently except maybe Starc due to his bowling action and nortje who actually slowed down in India when he last toured. Shami bowls 138-140 on average vs n.z Bumrah 139 vs England. That's really quick in tests. For comparison Starc averages 142. Hazelwood 136. Cummins 139.5. Booms and shams are quick. Period. You will like this article on Bumrah by Cricviz Bowled 46% of his deliveries above 140 kph in test matches in 2018. ( Joint 3rd highest in the world. ) ( Shami 8th in the list with 29% ) Bumrah bowled 75 deliveries above 150 kph in tests in 2018, fastest of 153.3 kph. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news18.com/cricketnext/amp/news/india-vs-australia-cricviz-analysis-what-makes-bumrah-so-good-1988923.html Vijy and Mosher 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) Cricviz also analysed the most accurate pacers in the last 15 years in August 2020. Bumrah was the quickest of the most accurate pacers in the last 15 years. ( Average speed of 139.2 kph ) . This is so special. https://www.cricviz.com/who-are-the-most-accurate-pace-bowlers-in-test-cricket/ Edited March 10, 2021 by express bowling Mosher, Vk1, sarchasm and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Vijy Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, express bowling said: Cricviz also analysed the most accurate pacers in the last 15 years in August 2020. Bumrah was the quickest of the most accurate pacers in the last 15 years. ( Average speed of 139.2 kph ) . This is so special. https://www.cricviz.com/who-are-the-most-accurate-pace-bowlers-in-test-cricket/ he is obviously a very special talent, but I am concerned that he is already beginning to fade thanks to recent spate of injuries. didn't really look all that threatening in Oz, NZ and Ind. it would be worrying if his peak is already over. he needs to learn from shami, who doesn't have the highest fitness (and is much older than his "official" age perhaps) and yet bowls with intensity in most matches. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Vijy said: he is obviously a very special talent, but I am concerned that he is already beginning to fade thanks to recent spate of injuries. didn't really look all that threatening in Oz, NZ and Ind. it would be worrying if his peak is already over. he needs to learn from shami, who doesn't have the highest fitness (and is much older than his "official" age perhaps) and yet bowls with intensity in most matches. Because of his bad bowling action, he will continue to be a bit injury prone and will also struggle sustaining intensity because of his nonexistent run-up. 20% of the pace comes from approach. While Shami improved his approach in 2016 which lead to improvement in pace and accuracy as well. If Bumrah had better run-up action, he could have been the fastest in the world. Edited March 10, 2021 by rkt.india Link to comment
Vijy Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Because of his bad bowling action, he will continue to be a bit injury prone and will also struggle sustaining intensity because of his nonexistent run-up. 20% of the pace comes from approach. While Shami improved his approach in 2016 which lead to improvement in pace and accuracy as well. If Bumrah had better run-up action, he could have been the fastest in the world. seems like we will probably see him fade away in 2-3 yrs then. need to find good replacements for the boom by then. not many pacers knocking down the doors yet Link to comment
express bowling Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, rkt.india said: Because of his bad bowling action, he will continue to be a bit injury prone and will also struggle sustaining intensity because of his nonexistent run-up. But Bumrah has not been more injury prone than other fast bowlers in the world. And we have seen him bowl with amazing intensity from CT 2017 to IPL 2020. 1 hour ago, rkt.india said: If Bumrah had better run-up action, he could have been the fastest in the world. True. Vijy and Mosher 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Vijy said: seems like we will probably see him fade away in 2-3 yrs then. need to find good replacements for the boom by then. not many pacers knocking down the doors yet I don't think so Vijy. He is just distracted due to his upcoming marriage. Mosher and Vijy 1 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, express bowling said: I don't think so Vijy. He is just distracted due to his upcoming marriage. perhaps marriage will give him that extra zip so that he can hit the deck hard... as before. Mosher and express bowling 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) Shankar Basu was an amazing strength and conditioning coach for Team India. Most Indian players including Kohli praised him highly. The phase of high pace, top fitness and sustaining speeds for the Indian quicks synchronised with Basu's tenure. But he has left now and the fitness and pace of the Indian quicks are suffering. We need to either bring back Basu or find another really good Strength and Conditioning coach for Team India. A very good one is needed at the NCA too. I hope the BCCI looks into this aspect. Edited March 10, 2021 by express bowling Vijy, Mosher and Suhaan 3 Link to comment
Jay Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Vijy said: he is obviously a very special talent, but I am concerned that he is already beginning to fade thanks to recent spate of injuries. didn't really look all that threatening in Oz, NZ and Ind. it would be worrying if his peak is already over. he needs to learn from shami, who doesn't have the highest fitness (and is much older than his "official" age perhaps) and yet bowls with intensity in most matches. He was brilliant in Australia. Chewts from our team dropped dollies off him. vijaydude and express bowling 2 Link to comment
Jay Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: then cant call them quick anymore ,need fresh faces ,havent seen a 100mph bowler in a long time. No one can bowl 100 mph. Maybe on rigged inflated speedguns of 90s like Shoaib. vijaydude 1 Link to comment
Vk1 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, express bowling said: Cricviz also analysed the most accurate pacers in the last 15 years in August 2020. Bumrah was the quickest of the most accurate pacers in the last 15 years. ( Average speed of 139.2 kph ) . This is so special. https://www.cricviz.com/who-are-the-most-accurate-pace-bowlers-in-test-cricket/ surprised to see Cummins not in this list. He either bowls good/short of good length or bouncers.. barely bowls a full length ball and his line is pretty accurate Edited March 10, 2021 by Vk1 express bowling 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: then cant call them quick anymore ,need fresh faces ,havent seen a 100mph bowler in a long time. Don't need 100 mph pacers. They get injured a bit too frequently and rarely have decent length careers. Most of them are not that skilful either. ( And such pacers usually average around 145 k and not too much higher ) All high quality fast bowlers with low avarages / low strike rates usually bowl 133 kph to 148 kph range in test matches. Edited March 10, 2021 by express bowling Mosher, vijaydude, Suhaan and 1 other 4 Link to comment
express bowling Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, Vk1 said: surprised to see Cummins not in this list. He either bowls good/short of good length or bouncers.. barely bowls a full length ball and his line is pretty accurate This data is for entire careers Cummins has been really accurate from 2020 or late 2019. Mosher 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 46 minutes ago, Jay said: He was brilliant in Australia. Chewts from our team dropped dollies off him. True. I think 8 catches were dropped off Bumrah in 3 test matches. Even if 4 catches were taken, he would have averaged 23 for the series. Vijy, Vk1 and Mosher 1 2 Link to comment
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