Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[express bowling]

7 minutes ago, Mosher said:

 

Found the highlights of the match

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good find bro !

[prudent_kreeda]

8 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Now we need a left armer bowling around 145ish. Arshdeep doesnt cut it for me. Ashok, Gurnoor with Bumrah, and one left armer will be deadly

 

I would take Arsh if he keeps bowling  135 +  with control as he did yesterday. Gives some  positives - Leftie, opening PP bowing to exploit swing if there is ,  defensive bowling at the end which he has lot of experience in T20and most of newbies lack that skill ,  left arm round the wicket angle and Height . Issue with him consistency and pace -sometimes bowls rubbish . SA pitches do provide movement unlike indian pitches, If in 15 /16 based on pitch conditions can be used .

Edited June 20 by prudent_kreeda

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Gurnoo and ashok should go to England 

[singhvivek141]

11 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Now we need a left armer bowling around 145ish. Arshdeep doesnt cut it for me. Ashok, Gurnoor with Bumrah, and one left armer will be deadly

Sushant is quickest...can clock 147-148.

Mukesh Chaudhary is more skillful at 137-144k...really make the ball talk in ODIS..desi Trent Boult.

Mohsin strictly for T20s

[vishalvirsingh]

21 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

I like Prince yadav. He looks hardworking, has just about the right pace. Yet, I feel he is 5=6k's slower than what is needed in today's cricket. 

Prince is 129 to 139k...average height . good for IPL teams but not good enough to be considered in the best 5 fast bowlers of INDIA. Mayank is better.

only strength is bit of accuracy specially yorkers.

[prudent_kreeda]

17 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Gurnoor's  2nd spell today is the only poor spell I have seen from him in ODIs and FC so far. 

 

He is usually a very objective pacer but went through the motions in these 2 overs.

 

Perhaps the effect of very little gap between his 2 spells in this searing heat and humidity.

 

 

 May be a change from is stock ball length in his 2nd spell. He was trying to put it little fuller looking at prasidh getting the bounce & movement from good length. 

 

[Suhaan]

36 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

Yes i too remember how they were making even Sanga fend off deliveries 

Cuttack ,Nov 2014

Rahane and Dhawan century match

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Now we need a left armer bowling around 145ish. Arshdeep doesnt cut it for me. Ashok, Gurnoor with Bumrah, and one left armer will be deadly

 

Most of our quicker left armers bowl 135 k to 143 / 144 k in T20s. [ Mukesh C, Arshad, Mohsin, Naman, Khaleel ]

 

They maybe 130 to 142 k in the longer formats. 

 

Only Sushant Mishra can bowl 135 k to 148 k in T20s. But he is too short and not that accurate yet.

 

If Mohsin was fit, he would have been good ... but he can barely go through T20 games with energy. 

Edited June 20 by express bowling

[express bowling]

17 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 May be a change from is stock ball length in his 2nd spell. He was trying to put it little fuller looking at prasidh getting the bounce & movement from good length. 

 

 

Gurnoor has a good good-length ball and he has used it consistently in this series. 

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Good to see some relatively high release point Indian bowlers - Prasidh, Gurnoor, Rana etc. 

 

There was a point when Stuart Clark was probably the highest release point seamer of Indian origin, lol. 

[Forward Defence]

Wicket taking spinners in middle overs is a must for a good ODI side. We are lacking in that department. 

Varun did well in the Champions trophy ODIs. Why is he out of reckoning?

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Mosher said:

 

Found the highlights of the match

 

 

 

 

Great find.

Though there are some spells missing.

Aaron's first over where he clocked 152k.

He was really unlucky that game.

 

I really miss Aaron's loss for India, he was the first genuinely 150k fast bowler under modern camera.

Umesh was more of 140-145 with peak at 150, Aaron was 143-148 with peak around 153...and he was more passionate about pace than Umesh coz he worked hard to achieve that (for Umesh it came naturally as he was a god gifted athlete.)

 

Ashok is like Aaron, generates pace courtesy of his release and shoulders. And he combines that with the fitness like Umesh.

Mayank is more like Umesh in terms of action but seems fragile.

Edited June 20 by singhvivek141

[prudent_kreeda]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Gurnoor has a good good-length ball and he has used it consistently in this series. 

 

 

what i meant was this pitch has more bounce than usual  indian wicket .  If we see pitch map of Prasidh today, wicket taking delivery were at farther end touching  towards of full length. There were far more overpitched balls by Gurnoor in 2nd spell. Hence looks like tried pushing it up but did not get it right  .Happens with inexperience when you need to change the length from your most preferred way of bowling length of something little different  suddenly . Not so easy to have same control . 

[MK55]

This Prince Yadav looks so mediocre. Why is he in the ODI team?? 

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

what i meant was this pitch has more bounce than usual  indian wicket .  If we see pitch map of Prasidh today, wicket taking delivery were at farther end touching  towards of full length. There were far more overpitched balls by Gurnoor in 2nd spell. Hence looks like tried pushing it up but did not get it right  .Happens with inexperience when you need to change the length from your most preferred way of bowling length of something little different  suddenly . Not so easy to have same control . 

 

In his 4th over, 1st spell, Gurnoor was hitting this fuller side of good length with pace and good lines 

 

But the short break and change of end messed with his rhythm.

[singhvivek141]

3 minutes ago, MK55 said:

This Prince Yadav looks so mediocre. Why is he in the ODI team?? 

Seriously, giving me Hasan Ali type vibes.

Probably on low bounce pitches or on T20s he might be useful...but nowhere suited for ODIs or Tests

[express bowling]

Shown on TV after 33 overs 

 

Fastest 

 

Gurnoor   146.8 k

Prasidh    142.2 k

Prince       138.x k

Nitish.       136.x k

 

Average 

 

Gurnoor   142.x k

Prasidh    138.x k

Prince      133.x k

Nitish.      133.x k

 

Impressive average speed by Gurnoor in the day-time Chennai heat.

 

 

 

Edited June 20 by express bowling

[prudent_kreeda]

22 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Seriously, giving me Hasan Ali type vibes.

Probably on low bounce pitches or on T20s he might be useful...but nowhere suited for ODIs or Tests

 That why giving exposure at international level does help in finding which format one fits better . Prince is T20 candidate  no need to try in tests, ODI. And people who look like test prospects should be one to be considered for ODI  -Harshit, Gurnoor, Ashok ,Prasidh.. I think it was good on selectors' part to check him early. Now they should not consider him for ODI and tests .

[express bowling]

Where is your superb yorker Gurnoor  ?

 

You used it so well in your first 2 ODIs and changed lengths so well.

 

Just bumpers and rising short balls in the 7th over ... too predictable. 

Edited June 20 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Gurnoor bowls Nabi with a hard length top of off-middle stump ball that seamed in sharply. 

 

This is what I want to see. A higher % of top of off stump balls with bumpers and yorkers as surprises.