the don Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Swag said: because it is Kohli and not some accountant Pringle facing up 8 overs of spin on that pitch was suicide.
Suhaan Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, the don said: 147 kph yorker from Wasim jr cleans up the dutch batter, why the eff did they now play him against India at MCG. Achha
Suhaan Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, the don said: 8 overs of spin on that pitch was suicide. Match was already lost by the Rauf over express bowling 1
singhvivek141 Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Adamant said: Pat Cummins was'nt just a guy who can bowl fast, please fool someone else. Billy Stanlake is a guy who bowls just fast. Now tell me how his career is going?That's what experts here don't possess, they don't have the ability to differentiate between a young Pat Cummins and a young Billy Stanlake. No, not all who can bowl fast have the ability to become great, there's things like seam position, the nip they obtain,action, the bounce they get, whether they bowl a heavy ball or not, how much swing they obtain, do they have the ability to hit the seam and obtain movement. All these things can't just be taught, it depends a lot on the overall mechanics of the individual’s body. I am struggling to understand what different I said ? Kartik, Umran, Kuldeep they all have pace+skills, they're not pace retards like Wahab Riaz, Mohammad Sami, Aizaz Cheema or Usman Shinwari. About Billy Stanlake, I haven't seen much but he's a bounce dependent bowler (like Morne Morkel), unaware of his other skills. Umesh is still a much better bowler than Riaz or Sami and at Gul's level (though different format's), he gets reverse and can swing the new ball...Aaron also used to have skills but post changing his action he lost the reverse that he had. Also, Umesh's career turn around under Kohli's captaincy, while Aaron kept falling back..that highlights importance of backing from a captain as well. 48 minutes ago, Adamant said: I have always said that there are three bowling talents in India apart from those we already play for us -> Karthik Tyagi Umran Prasidh Krishna It's just that two of them are raw and need more work, which they are getting in IPL and domestics. While Prasidh plays for India in ODIs and is in test squad also. He is not suited for t20s as of now, why do you expect TM to pick him when he gets thrashed in t20s? All others are pretender- (I haven't seen much of Mohsin , so won;t talk about him here) They do, but don't you think they should be given more attention because of their raw potential, when Aussies can elevate Pat Cummins ahead of the race because of his talent, why not BCCI. Edited October 30, 2022 by singhvivek141 Mosher and Sgattick10 1 1
the don Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 46 minutes ago, Suhaan said: Match was already lost by the Rauf over 4 more overs of pace in the middle would have mattered.
Mesky99 Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Adamant said: Pat Cummins was'nt just a guy who can bowl fast, please fool someone else. Billy Stanlake is a guy who bowls just fast. Now tell me how his career is going?That's what experts here don't possess, they don't have the ability to differentiate between a young Pat Cummins and a young Billy Stanlake. No, not all who can bowl fast have the ability to become great, there's things like seam position, the nip they obtain,action, the bounce they get, whether they bowl a heavy ball or not, how much swing they obtain, do they have the ability to hit the seam and obtain movement. All these things can't just be taught, it depends a lot on the overall mechanics of the individual’s body. Thomson was insanely fast , Lillee was slower than him, why did'nt Thomson learn everything from Lillee and become as good as him? considering he had all the pace in the world. We have our own examples in Yadav and Aaron, kyu nahi seeekh paaye ye kuch? pace to tha. Because they could never become great bowlers as their bowling was never threatening and had very little control. We have many floaters -> those who bowl 140+ but the ball just comes on to the bat very nicely, there's no extra bounce or seam movement they obtain after ball hits the ground, their ball's trajectory can be carted just by looking at their hand position when they deliver the ball, such bowlers are dime a dozen and we have plenty of them I have always said that there are three bowling talents in India apart from those we already play for us -> Karthik Tyagi Umran Prasidh Krishna It's just that two of them are raw and need more work, which they are getting in IPL and domestics. While Prasidh plays for India in ODIs and is in test squad also. He is not suited for t20s as of now, why do you expect TM to pick him when he gets thrashed in t20s? All others are pretender- (I haven't seen much of Mohsin , so won;t talk about him here) I don't think you watch much domestic cricket, there's gaurav Yadav, a attacking seamer with a good bumper and a good exponent of inswing, am pretty sure he would have played international cricket by now for most teams bar SA and aus, a bowler like him could easily be developed into a quality test pacer in India conditions, how TM and selectors lack foresight and too many good pacers are kept away toiling, dayal another with great attributes, gets consistent high bounce from good length, even his 137kph short length stuff had Russel in real trouble during the Ipl, this is what you look in bowlers, consistency is learnt after,Siraj spent 2 years with the A team and became a complete pacer. singhvivek141 1
Adamant Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Suhaan said: Itna bada post to explain which everyone already know about Trundling without control or pace without control are bad You were saying that if someone has speed, he can learn other skills. That's wrong.
Lone Wolf Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, the don said: 4 more overs of pace in the middle would have mattered. Doesn't matter India didn't play Thakur or Harshal for Axar too.
express bowling Posted October 30, 2022 Author Posted October 30, 2022 47 minutes ago, Adamant said: No, not all who can bowl fast have the ability to become great, there's things like seam position, the nip they obtain,action, the bounce they get, whether they bowl a heavy ball or not, how much swing they obtain, do they have the ability to hit the seam and obtain movement. All these things can't just be taught, it depends a lot on the overall mechanics of the individual’s body. That is very true. But I see atleast 5 new and young Indian pacers who are both quick and have many of these qualities. KARTICK TYAGI .... Qualities .... .. High pace .. Tall .. Good natural bounce .. Good seam position .. Bowls a heavy ball .. Aggressive Fast bowler's attitude .. Good temperament under pressure .. Bowls with intensity .. Gets inswing .. Seams the ball both ways .. Cracking indipping yorker .. Very nasty bouncer .. Decent slower ball and slower ball bouncer .. Good death bowler Improvements needed .... .. Play lots of FC, List A and T20 matches .. Improve his stock ball KULDEEP SEN .... Qualities .... .. High pace .. Tall .. Steep bounce .. Aggressive Fast bowler's attitude .. Gets the channel ball the rear up nastily from length while seamingly away .. Bowls a heavy ball .. Gets big and consistent inswing .. Reverses the ball at pace .. Seams the ball away .. Good indipping yorker .. Good bouncer which he can keep on bowling Improvements needed .... .. Play more FC, List A and T20 matches .. Improve his line and stop giving width or bowling on the pads. If he can do this then hd will be a top quality bowler. UMRAN MALIK .... Qualities .... .. Very High pace .. Very very skiddy .. Aggressive Fast bowler's attitude .. Good seam position and ball release .. Gets late inswing from time to time .. Can bowl outswingers too .. Cracking yorker with late indip .. Nasty bouncer on occasions Improvements needed .... .. Play lots of FC, List A and T20 matches .. Develop a stock ball ASAP .. this is the key .. Practice getting his bouncers above the shoulders of the batsman on most occasions and cut down on bowling long hops. PRASIDH KRISHNA .... Qualities .... .. Good pace .. Tall .. Very steep bounce and carry. This is his USP. .. Bowls a heavy ball .. Good channel ball. .. Gets outswing .. Seams the ball in. .. Good bouncer .. Decent indipping yorker Improvements needed .... .. Play more FC matches .. Improve bowling fitness and work on sustaining pace .. He tends to lose intensity and focus from time to time. Needs to work on concentration. .. Improve his slower ball. Bowl it into the pitch rather than floating it up at 98 kph .. Practice his straight yorkers more rather than always trying wide yorkers .. MOHSIN KHAN .... Qualities .... .. Good pace .. Tall .. Steep bounce and good carry .. Bowls a heavy ball .. Gets inswing for LHB or Bowls outswing to RHB .. Seams the ball .. Decent bouncer .. Good slower ball .. Good both with new ball and at the death Improvements needed .... .. Play more FC, List A and T20 matches .. Work on bowling fitness and work on sustaining pace. .. Try to bowl at full pace on most occasions. He dometimes bowls within himself. .. Improve his yorkers .. It would bd great if he could bowl inswingers to RHB 47 minutes ago, Adamant said: Thomson was insanely fast , Lillee was slower than him, why did'nt Thomson learn everything from Lillee and become as good as him? considering he had all the pace in the world. Thomson's role was different. He was entrusted with scaring the batters during the " no helmet era ". Suhaan, Mosher, tweaker and 1 other 4
Adamant Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, express bowling said: That is very true. But I see atleast 5 new and young Indian pacers who are both quick and have many of these qualities. KARTICK TYAGI .... Qualities .... .. High pace .. Tall .. Good natural bounce .. Good seam position .. Bowls a heavy ball .. Aggressive Fast bowler's attitude .. Good temperament under pressure .. Bowls with intensity .. Gets inswing .. Seams the ball both ways .. Cracking indipping yorker .. Very nasty bouncer .. Decent slower ball and slower ball bouncer .. Good death bowler Improvements needed .... .. Play lots of FC, List A and T20 matches .. Improve his stock ball KULDEEP SEN .... Qualities .... .. High pace .. Tall .. Steep bounce .. Aggressive Fast bowler's attitude .. Gets the channel ball the rear up nastily from length while seamingly away .. Bowls a heavy ball .. Gets big and consistent inswing .. Reverses the ball at pace .. Seams the ball away .. Good indipping yorker .. Good bouncer which he can keep on bowling Improvements needed .... .. Play more FC, List A and T20 matches .. Improve his line and stop giving width or bowling on the pads. If he can do this then hd will be a top quality bowler. UMRAN MALIK .... Qualities .... .. Very High pace .. Very very skiddy .. Aggressive Fast bowler's attitude .. Good seam position and ball release .. Gets late inswing from time to time .. Can bowl outswingers too .. Cracking yorker with late indip .. Nasty bouncer on occasions Improvements needed .... .. Play lots of FC, List A and T20 matches .. Develop a stock ball ASAP .. this is the key .. Practice getting his bouncers above the shoulders of the batsman on most occasions and cut down on bowling long hops. PRASIDH KRISHNA .... Qualities .... .. Good pace .. Tall .. Very steep bounce and carry. This is his USP. .. Bowls a heavy ball .. Good channel ball. .. Gets outswing .. Seams the ball in. .. Good bouncer .. Decent indipping yorker Improvements needed .... .. Play more FC matches .. Improve bowling fitness and work on sustaining pace .. He tends to lose intensity and focus from time to time. Needs to work on concentration. .. Improve his slower ball. Bowl it into the pitch rather than floating it up at 98 kph .. Practice his straight yorkers more rather than always trying wide yorkers .. MOHSIN KHAN .... Qualities .... .. Good pace .. Tall .. Steep bounce and good carry .. Bowls a heavy ball .. Gets inswing for LHB or Bowls outswing to RHB .. Seams the ball .. Decent bouncer .. Good slower ball .. Good both with new ball and at the death Improvements needed .... .. Play more FC, List A and T20 matches .. Work on bowling fitness and work on sustaining pace. .. Try to bowl at full pace on most occasions. He dometimes bowls within himself. .. Improve his yorkers .. It would bd great if he could bowl inswingers to RHB Thomson's role was different. He was entrusted with scaring the batters during the " no helmet era ". I agree with your evaluation of Karthik,Umran and Prasidh. (Haven't seen Mohsin) The thing is Umran and Kartik should play in India A and IPL, they need some more time. Prasidh as of now is sadly not a t20i bowler and that can happen , even Pat Cummins has'nt cracked the t20 code yet. So I clearly don't see how our current t20 lineup could have been improved, except for Siraj in main squad.
Suhaan Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 59 minutes ago, Adamant said: You were saying that if someone has speed, he can learn other skills That is also correct,pace is not learned but control is(can be) Mosher and express bowling 2
express bowling Posted October 30, 2022 Author Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) Rabada has lost both pace as well as heaviness of his balls. And where was his signature outswing ? Looked innocuous in his first spell. Edited October 30, 2022 by express bowling Mosher 1
express bowling Posted October 30, 2022 Author Posted October 30, 2022 Ngidi picks 2 wickets in his first over with extra bounce. The mental midget openers gone Mosher 1
express bowling Posted October 30, 2022 Author Posted October 30, 2022 Nortje looking very fast on this lively pitch.
express bowling Posted October 30, 2022 Author Posted October 30, 2022 India will definitely miss Pant on those bouncy pitch. He knows how to play on these pitches. Mosher 1
Rightarmfast Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 Aaj aukaat me aa gayi team India. The most funny thing is, the retarded Indian commentators will yell and talk about the pace of opposition bowlers. But they dont have the balls to talk about Indian genuine quickies being sidelined. What a retarded cricket board. Mosher, Vk1 and singhvivek141 2 1
express bowling Posted October 30, 2022 Author Posted October 30, 2022 Ngidi 4 quick wickets in a big match. This is what a tall bounce bowler can do in Australia And we have not picked any. Mosher 1
express bowling Posted October 30, 2022 Author Posted October 30, 2022 Harsha is so happy that Phoren fast bowlers are humiliating India. He is so excited !! Where does his excitement go when Bumrah, Shami and Siraj dominate batters in test matches !! Vk1, Mosher and tweaker 3
express bowling Posted October 30, 2022 Author Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) Bhuvi may do well upfront on this pitch under lights. The pitch will provide the pace and bounce that he lacks and he has the accuracy in the PP overs. Edited October 30, 2022 by express bowling Mosher 1
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