Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Vijy]

5 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Yeah build the team around Gill,Jaddu,Ash and Bumrah.Pant when hes back

 

Drop everyone else

why would we want 2 spinners in SENA? besides, ashwin is pretty old; can't bank on him forever, certainly not until next WTC.

 

Gill is not test opener, maybe not even test material

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, Vijy said:

why would we want 2 spinners in SENA? besides, ashwin is pretty old; can't bank on him forever, certainly not until next WTC.

 

Gill is not test opener, maybe not even test material

Jaddu is a bonafide batting AR now. Even Ash can be useful unless its cloudy on pitches like this. Pacers did nothing anyway.Also batting depth

 

Gill should move to middle order but for that need to drop Kohli etc

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

Jaddu is a bonafide batting AR now. Even Ash can be useful unless its cloudy on pitches like this. Pacers did nothing anyway.Also batting depth

 

Gill should move to middle order but for that need to drop Kohli etc

bowlers should not be selected for batting depth. I wrote this in some other post somewhere. axar was chosen in home conditions for his batting - did little of note with ball vs Aus.

 

we need 4 genuine wicket taking pace bowlers (bumrah, siraj, and 2 others) and only one of ash/jaddu in SENA. Agree that Gill is better for MO in relative terms, but I am not sure he can even survive there

[Lord]

Just now, Vijy said:

bowlers should not be selected for batting depth. I wrote this in some other post somewhere. axar was chosen in home conditions for his batting - did little of note with ball vs Aus.

 

we need 4 genuine wicket taking pace bowlers (bumrah, siraj, and 2 others) and only one of ash/jaddu in SENA. Agree that Gill is better for MO in relative terms, but I am not sure he can even survive there

and how did that matter.Saved our ass with bat many times. ARs do that. Its not as if batsmen are batting. Can just treat him as pure bat with bowling as bonus

[Vijy]

Just now, Lord said:

and how did that matter.Saved our ass with bat many times. ARs do that. Its not as if batsmen are batting. Can just treat him as pure bat with bowling as bonus

if that is done, it's fine. just don't call him a bowler or even a bowling AR, because he wasn't one.

 

top 6 should be able to average close to 40 (if not more with bat). and similarly, at least 4 bowlers should be able to take 4 wkts per match in most conditions (not just a small set). this would be my preference. no. 7 can be either a keeper or an AR of some kind, who can be a bit of both

[Lord]

Just now, Vijy said:

if that is done, it's fine. just don't call him a bowler or even a bowling AR, because he wasn't one.

 

top 6 should be able to average close to 40 (if not more with bat). and similarly, at least 4 bowlers should be able to take 4 wkts per match in most conditions (not just a small set). this would be my preference. no. 7 can be either a keeper or an AR of some kind, who can be a bit of both

he is one. Just not in that series. Vs Eng he performed with ball.

 

AR doesnt mean performing with bat and ball at same time always

 

Point is even his bad form with ball didnt hurt. Need more such cricketers specially seam AR for SENA

 

 

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

he is one. Just not in that series. Vs Eng he performed with ball.

 

AR doesnt mean performing with bat and ball at same time always

 

Point is even his bad form with ball didnt hurt. Need more such cricketers specially seam AR for SENA

 

 

thakur is the closest we have for seam AR. 1 seam AR + 1 spin AR + 3 genuine quicks (e.g., bumrah, siraj, prasidh/sen/rana) is a good combo.

[Lord]

16 minutes ago, Vijy said:

thakur is the closest we have for seam AR. 1 seam AR + 1 spin AR + 3 genuine quicks (e.g., bumrah, siraj, prasidh/sen/rana) is a good combo.

yeah unless SDP bestows us with his comeback

[Vijy]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Shastri was trying to pass off 2 consecutive WTC Final appearances as a big success.

 

They will all do the same. 

they will find ways of making failures look like successes

[singhvivek141]

48 minutes ago, Vijy said:

thakur is the closest we have for seam AR. 1 seam AR + 1 spin AR + 3 genuine quicks (e.g., bumrah, siraj, prasidh/sen/rana) is a good combo.

He will remain the closest unless we don't give opportunities to the next gen allrounders.

Bawa is a proper all-rounder (maybe little more on the bowling side), Yudhvir and Hangargekar are as good with the bat as Shardul used to be when he started. We need to include them in Tests now.

[singhvivek141]

38 minutes ago, Lord said:

yeah unless SDP bestows us with his comeback

That's not going to happen, we need to find new allrounders.

Considering he is the future captain in shorter formats, he won't injure himself playing a format which he don't enjoy,

[Vijy]

18 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

He will remain the closest unless we don't give opportunities to the next gen allrounders.

Bawa is a proper all-rounder (maybe little more on the bowling side), Yudhvir and Hangargekar are as good with the bat as Shardul used to be when he started. We need to include them in Tests now.

most are too raw. hangu, yudhvir, and bawa have hardly played any FC matches.

 

Bawa, in particular, can be a real gem. lesser bat than cam green, but can be a more effective bowler

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, Lord said:

and how did that matter.Saved our ass with bat many times. ARs do that. Its not as if batsmen are batting. Can just treat him as pure bat with bowling as bonus

 

 

Then he can't bat at 8

 

8 needs a bowler who can bat somewhat

 

By having a batter at 8, we are playing with 1 bowler less. 

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, Vijy said:

most are too raw. hangu, yudhvir, and bawa have hardly played any FC matches.

 

Bawa, in particular, can be a real gem. lesser bat than cam green, but can be a more effective bowler

 

Till they mature, Unadkat can be a decent pacer allrounder at 8. He has the bounce and accuracy in red ball cricket. And can bat in FC.

[tweaker]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Till they mature, Unadkat can be a decent pacer allrounder at 8. He has the bounce and accuracy in red ball cricket. And can bat in FC.

Also he is left hander,so will provide variety in bowling.

 

And also selectors will.like him as he has experience and in the queue

[Vijy]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Till they mature, Unadkat can be a decent pacer allrounder at 8. He has the bounce and accuracy in red ball cricket. And can bat in FC.

I would not call undercutter suitable for no. 8. even for Sau, he doesn't always bat at 8; sometimes comes in at no. 9.

 

he can be a stopgap no. 9

[vishalvirsingh]

Is unadkat bowling at 136 k average?

Is he bowling perfect Yorkers bouncers inswing or outswing.

Is he taking a lot of wickets 

 

Answer to the third question is Yes but for other 2... I will let u guys answer it.

 

Arshdeep can bowl 136 k average in tests.

He has perfect Yorkers n bouncers..inswing n outswing..he is learning

Is he taking wickets- yes he takes wickets in all matches he plays..but like nehra, who got wickets everytime he bowled though he played few games.

 

No point playing unadkat ahead of arshdeep sardar in any format of cricket 

[Suhaan]

8 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Arshdeep can bowl 136 k average in tests.

That is quite high avg speeds in tests for even someone who mostly bowls in 140s

Arshdeep bowls 135+ that too in T20 4 overs

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Is unadkat bowling at 136 k average?

Is he bowling perfect Yorkers bouncers inswing or outswing.

Is he taking a lot of wickets 

 

Answer to the third question is Yes but for other 2... I will let u guys answer it.

 

Arshdeep can bowl 136 k average in tests.

He has perfect Yorkers n bouncers..inswing n outswing..he is learning

Is he taking wickets- yes he takes wickets in all matches he plays..but like nehra, who got wickets everytime he bowled though he played few games.

 

No point playing unadkat ahead of arshdeep sardar in any format of cricket 

 

Sardarji has a natural bounce. Check the first ball in the video.In county he bowled a 15+30 over spells. 

 

 

[vishalvirsingh]

3 hours ago, Suhaan said:

That is quite high avg speeds in tests for even someone who mostly bowls in 140s

Arshdeep bowls 135+ that too in T20 4 overs

i am talking about ignoring the SLOW Balls and his pacy overs average should be 136K