Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[MK55]

Feel like these slow pitches are the only way this team (the current side) can manage a win. A bit more pace n bounce, and it will be a a no-contest.

[tapandrun]

3 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Feel like these slow pitches are the only way this team (the current side) can manage a win. A bit more pace n bounce, and it will be a a no-contest.

Yes fast bowlers are not existent now, getting back to Kapil dev era. 1 fast medium bowler and few allrounders and then bunch of spinners.

[express bowling]

32 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Feel like these slow pitches are the only way this team (the current side) can manage a win. A bit more pace n bounce, and it will be a a no-contest.

 

Eden had bounce.

 

Even this pitch wasn't slow.

 

 

[tapandrun]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Eden had bounce.

 

Even this pitch wasn't slow.

 

 

This was a v.good quality fast bowling line-up from eng. but wkt does not look like a had pace and bounce. The ball that got Sharma would have clipped bails on bouncy wkt.

 

Plus Ind bowlers hardly touched 140 kmph, was mostly sub 135 kmph.

 

Eden is good wkt, but they keep changing it some times they get it to turn alot.

[MK55]

Btw one guy went totally under the radar here - Brydon Carse. 

He took on the spinners scoring 31 off 17 balls 

And then came to bowl reaching speeds in the 140s easily. Clean bowled SKY.

If u compare his all-round skillset with the bowlers we have got playing, he’s probably next to Bumrah right now in this Indian side lol. 

The drop in the fast bowling quality (the ones in the playing 11 at least) is absolutely mind boggling. I haven’t seen this in multiple years. 

Edited January 26, 2025 by MK55

[Need4Speed]

5 hours ago, MK55 said:

Btw one guy went totally under the radar here - Brydon Carse. 

He took on the spinners scoring 31 off 17 balls 

And then came to bowl reaching speeds in the 140s easily. Clean bowled SKY.

If u compare his all-round skillset with the bowlers we have got playing, he’s probably next to Bumrah right now in this Indian side lol. 

The drop in the fast bowling quality (the ones in the playing 11 at least) is absolutely mind boggling. I haven’t seen this in multiple years. 

Brydon Carse..was rated highly from younger days..He took his time..got accurate,consistent and honed his skills..without compromising much on his pace..

I hope bowlers like Harshit...Mayank..Tyagi..etc understand..one always has time..whever you hit any roadblocks...just keep your hunger..work on their respective issues and come back strong like him..

Edited January 26, 2025 by Need4Speed

[MK55]

2 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

Brydon Carse..was rated highly from younger days..He took his time..got accurate,consistent and honed his skills..without compromising much on his pace..

I hope bowlers like Harshit...Mayank..Tyagi..etc understand..one always has time..whever you hit any roadblocks...just keep your hunger..work on their respective issues and come back strong like him..

While I agree on certain points, very rarely do 150 plus bowlers have that much time. If they are not settled in the side by 25-26, chances of them having a successful career are remote. I’ll say just forget about it. 
 

Obviously things are different for all-rounders and fast medium bowlers.

[MK55]

If England had not had Archer and Wood playing, and if they had another express bowler in the domestic circuit, I’m 100 percent sure he would have been drafted in regardless of his experience. Same is the case with South Africa. Even New Zealand lately has been quite progressive in their selections.

 

Australia has been strangely going against their norm. Having a senior bowler as their captain has got a lot to do with it. Anyways difficult to judge Australia or gauge their level as they faced a very weak opposition with passengers in the batting department. 

[MK55]

'We've got raw pace, spin and allrounders' - NZ pack their side with versatile players

 

Captain Mitchell Santner

 

Ferguson ORourke and Ben Sears all three are selected for CT for their extra pace.

 

[MK55]

SA dealing with some injury issues. Else would have been fun to watch Nortje Berger Coetzee bowl together. Rabada’s  there too as the senior bowler.
We’ll I guess their new kid Maphaka is also decently quick.

Edited January 26, 2025 by MK55

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, MK55 said:

While I agree on certain points, very rarely do 150 plus bowlers have that much time. If they are not settled in the side by 25-26, chances of them having a successful career are remote. I’ll say just forget about it. 
 

Obviously things are different for all-rounders and fast medium bowlers.

the difference I feel is mostly if you are just floating the ball and not hitting the deck..

even if somone  who is hitting the deck..has pace reduced to 145k due to injuries or whatever..and has decent height..he will still cause problems to the batters if he has got enough accuracy to support his bowling..

[tapandrun]

2 hours ago, MK55 said:

If England had not had Archer and Wood playing, and if they had another express bowler in the domestic circuit, I’m 100 percent sure he would have been drafted in regardless of his experience. Same is the case with South Africa. Even New Zealand lately has been quite progressive in their selections.

 

Australia has been strangely going against their norm. Having a senior bowler as their captain has got a lot to do with it. Anyways difficult to judge Australia or gauge their level as they faced a very weak opposition with passengers in the batting department. 

Yes eng. had some kind of project to look and promote faster bowler. Aus right now does not have any1 in their domestics bowling express pace.

Best they got are morris, meridith may be santlake and all of these are 140-145ish at best in t20s. So Aus's 3 are still there and there about of 140 kmph with exp and accuracy.

 

Breadman made his BBL debut this season he is also ~140ish 

[tapandrun]

7 hours ago, MK55 said:

While I agree on certain points, very rarely do 150 plus bowlers have that much time. If they are not settled in the side by 25-26, chances of them having a successful career are remote. I’ll say just forget about it. 
 

Obviously things are different for all-rounders and fast medium bowlers.

Yes if those kind of bowlers are not picked early for Intnl cricket they donot remain 150 kmph for long injury plus the motivation.

The other thing is at intnl level these have speedometer which keeps them motivated knowing what speeds they are bowling at and they have dropped some pace this season compared to other season.

 

Akthar and Lee were different to have such long career and remain express or near-to express though out, both were lucky they didnt had career ending injury and both had some kind of motivation and competition amongst themselves, plus there were other who came close to that kind of pace time to time to keep them on their toes like bond, edwards, best, tait, styne,etc....

 

There is not much written about the development and improvements in the speedometers so sometimes its hard to trust that those were true speeds back in the days comparing to what bowlers are bowling these days.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 27, 2025 by tapandrun

[Lone Wolf]

7 hours ago, MK55 said:

'We've got raw pace, spin and allrounders' - NZ pack their side with versatile players

 

Captain Mitchell Santner

 

Ferguson ORourke and Ben Sears all three are selected for CT for their extra pace.

 

4th pacer Nathan Smith can also bowl in 140's.

[Suhaan]

10 hours ago, MK55 said:

If England had not had Archer and Wood playing, and if they had another express bowler in the domestic circuit, I’m 100 percent sure he would have been drafted in regardless of his experience. Same is the case with South Africa. Even New Zealand lately has been quite progressive in their selections.

 

Australia has been strangely going against their norm. Having a senior bowler as their captain has got a lot to do with it. Anyways difficult to judge Australia or gauge their level as they faced a very weak opposition with passengers in the batting department. 

Madchodtra types rule the roost here

Moment they see Indian raw pace,they start Raand rulai about how it doesn't matter only swxy seductive swing matters at decent line and length (when none of our tundlers are accurate either and way short in height)

They outright reject pacers and forward their idea to each and every corner of the country where the cricket rulers are sadly dihati mentality

[vishalvirsingh]

On 1/25/2025 at 8:54 PM, MK55 said:

147k delivery of Wood traps Sharma. Gone.

i think that ball was 147.6 k and it was super fast and hitting the wickets. if wood can replicate that ball , he will get wickets like anything.

I have seen shammi bowl on indian pitches , he bowls some similar balls but around 140K and gets wickets.

Balls like those have 30 percent chances of being missed (when at 140K) and 50 % chances of being missed if they are bowled faster than 146K and getting the batsman plumb. 

i remember facing a 125 to 130k bowler at green wicket in cross maidan- guys you can't believe , i was defending by just having a wild judgement of the line of the ball and bring my bat down , i had no clue whether it was hitting my bat or my pads- it was like sheer LUCK that the ball was hitting my Bat and it did hit my pads once ( i was probably lbw) but i guess umpire thought it was missing leg stump and i was not out. 

i wish to high light that such balls have 30 to 40 percent chance of getting LBW and 50 to 60 percent chance of hitting the bat and kind of getting a run or saving the wicket.

 

Having said that All openers are trained to save their wickets on such balls but if the bowler is smart he creates a bit of angle and can get the opener LBW. 

 

Abhishek Sharma was like in SUPER form but he was Plumb and the ball was straight. Shammi's ball moves a bit as it lands on seam and hence he is very dangerous.

 

 

[MK55]

What were Shamis speeds and how was his rhythm?

140-145?

[tapandrun]

26 minutes ago, MK55 said:

What were Shamis speeds and how was his rhythm?

140-145?

mostly bowled under 135 kmph

[express bowling]

7 hours ago, MK55 said:

What were Shamis speeds and how was his rhythm?

140-145?

 

Fastest I saw was 138.8 k. Another at 137.x k.

 

Shami was bowling a bit differently than what he did most of his career. Instead of trying to hit the seam at sharp pace like he usually did, he was floating the ball up for swing at medium pace. 

[rkt.india]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Fastest I saw was 138.8 k. Another at 137.x k.

 

Shami was bowling a bit differently than what he did most of his career. Instead of trying to hit the seam at sharp pace like he usually did, he was floating the ball up for swing at medium pace. 

Needs to look beyond him.