Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Lone Wolf]

36 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

We always had this " Seniors First " disease. Now the whole world is catching it due to WTC and an ICC event every year.

 

No one wants to experiment. Australia wants to bring death to their 3 old quicks. 

 

 

 

Personally, I feel Prasidh, after messing it up for quite some time as you said, has got his pace, bounce, accuracy combo right at last this year. His good length balls used to be floaty. But he is hitting the deck hard at that length now. Much better pitch map for his spells too, hitting the good length off stump regularly at last. Pace is higher.

 

BUT

 

Gurnoor has that X-factor. Can generate pace and bounce on the deadest tracks. And prise out a wicket against the run of play which neither Siraj nor Prasidh can. 

 

If the TM cannot see it, they will suffer.

This Galle surface has some extra kick in it if a bowler bends his back.

 

Even an unfit Kumara generated some steep bounce on occasions

[govinda]

44 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

We always had this " Seniors First " disease. Now the whole world is catching it due to WTC and an ICC event every year.

 

No one wants to experiment. Australia wants to bring death to their 3 old quicks. 

 

 

 

Personally, I feel Prasidh, after messing it up for quite some time as you said, has got his pace, bounce, accuracy combo right at last this year. His good length balls used to be floaty. But he is hitting the deck hard at that length now. Much better pitch map for his spells too, hitting good length off stump regularly at last. Pace is higher.

 

BUT

 

Gurnoor has that X-factor. Can generate pace and bounce on the deadest of tracks. And prise out a wicket against the run of play which neither Siraj nor Prasidh can. 

 

If the TM cannot see it, they will suffer.

 

 

Gambhir is a chewtia 

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

This Galle surface has some extra kick in it if a bowler bends his back.

 

Even an unfit Kumara generated some steep bounce on occasions

 

Very poor decision benching Gurnoor on this deck.  

 

Don't even feel like watching this match.

 

If taking the safe route and chickening out were an art, we would be top artists.

[vishalvirsingh]

24 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Very poor decision benching Gurnoor on this deck.  

 

Don't even feel like watching this match.

 

If taking the safe route and chickening out were an art, we would be top artists.

Prasidh is also good but i feel Gurnoor is more talented and has capability to bowl faster bouncers and hence in the long run gurnoor may be our strike bowler and Prasidh may support him.

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

We always had this " Seniors First " disease. Now the whole world is catching it due to WTC and an ICC event every year.

 

No one wants to experiment. Australia wants to bring death to their 3 old quicks. 

 

Absolutely,still Aus( or any side ),bringing in new pacers in Aus in their summer cricket,it used to be fun, watching new guys coming in bringing in something has its own charm and Aus being Aus they love pace more  than anyone else,pretty sure if not for this WTC,ICC every year ,we would have seen much better cricket worldwide

Wtc and ICC event every year should be shunned with immediate effect

[Teengunalagaan]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

Personally, I feel Prasidh, after messing it up for quite some time as you said, has got his pace, bounce, accuracy combo right at last this year. His good length balls used to be floaty. But he is hitting the deck hard at that length now. Much better pitch map for his spells too, hitting good length off stump regularly at last. Pace is higher.

I have had enough of Prasidh, I hate him with a passion now.

[express bowling]

8 hours ago, Teengunalagaan said:

I have had enough of Prasidh, I hate him with a passion now.

 

Most people do.  And you can troll me for giving him some support.  

 

But my thought process is ....

 

1 )  Apart from Gurnoor and Prasidh, we don't have any newish 140 k+ pacers who have the fitness to play test matches at the moment. 

 

2 )  If Prasidh is kicked out, you would have Nabi and Cum-bojh floating the ball up at 125 k. Would you like it ?

 

3 )  After investing 3 to 4 years in making Prasidh more accurate, would it be prudent to drop him despite him achieving decent accuracy now. ?

 

4 )  Prasidh is nothing more than a support cast. Gurnoor and Mayank are lead bowler material like Bumrah and Shami. And it angers me if Gurnoor is dropped for support cast.

 

 

Edited August 15 by express bowling

[Nikhil_cric]

Lankan seamers have been down on pace since the Caribbean.

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Most people do.  And you can troll me for giving him some support.  

 

But my thought process is ....

 

1 )  Apart from Gurnoor and Prasidh, we don't have any newish 140 k+ pacers who have the fitness to play test matches at the moment. 

 

2 )  If Prasidh is kicked out, you would have Nabi and Cum-bojh floating the ball up at 125 k. Would you like it ?

 

3 )  After investing 3 to 4 years in making Prasidh more accurate, would it be prudent to drop him despite him achieving decent accuracy now. ?

 

4 )  Prasidh is nothing more than a support cast. Gurnoor and Mayank are lead bowler material like Bumrah and Shami. And it angers ne if Gurnoor is dropped for support cast.

Brar should play in NZ.  These tracks require 3 spinners anyway.  Better to back seamers with some experience if you are just going to play 2. 

[Lone Wolf]

4 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Brar should play in NZ.  These tracks require 3 spinners anyway.  Better to back seamers with some experience if you are just going to play 2. 

SSC proved helpful to Pacers in 2015 as well as 2017. 

 

Let's see what they do in case India loses the toss in SSC.  It's a belter on day 1/2 and offers nothing to spin.

[singhvivek141]

7 hours ago, Teengunalagaan said:

I have had enough of Prasidh, I hate him with a passion now.

Prasidh is a stop gap solution. 

There is a massive vaccum after Bumrah, then Siraj to some extent and then a nothingness....Prasidh & Akashdeep are fillers.

 

Prasidh isnt the brightest star in the sky, but he is a reliable 3rd seamer under specific conditions where bounce plays a key role.

 

Our next gen pacers arent ready yet Mostly because BCCI & ex selectors were busy cheerleading for the batters.

 

 

[vishalvirsingh]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Lankan seamers have been down on pace since the Caribbean.

 

 

are these two pacers the best in Lanka...???

both have been slow ..main pacer was bowling 131 to 136k and lahiru is a little faster but still not threatening.

but i think they did generate bounce which indicates siraj and Prasidh will also create bounce and will threaten.

DSP Siraj has a very good inswinger which will get him wickets and Prasidh has a 4th stump bumper off good length which no batsmen can play...no means no one has a answer to that ball which risses of fullish length and kind off bounces till shoulder on 4th stump.

Mayank got a zimbabve batsmen out of first ball of a similar ball and Prasidh bowls that kind off ball some times which gets him wickets.

i expect our pacers to get  wickets each and Manav and jaddu too would get ..kuldeep can get zero wickets if he bowling average or else get 4 wickets.

[vishalvirsingh]

25 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Prasidh is a stop gap solution. 

There is a massive vaccum after Bumrah, then Siraj to some extent and then a nothingness....Prasidh & Akashdeep are fillers.

 

Prasidh isnt the brightest star in the sky, but he is a reliable 3rd seamer under specific conditions where bounce plays a key role.

 

Our next gen pacers arent ready yet Mostly because BCCI & ex selectors were busy cheerleading for the batters.

 

 

Prasidh , Harshit and Brar are lon term players , just that Harshit's full fitness is a question mark. when he fully fit he is very close to Mayank yadav- he is very fast , kinda unplayable but his fitness is a question mark like BOOM. Prasidh is also normally not hundred percent fit and can be slow.

gurnoor is young and seems a strong lad ..i feel he can have steady fitness.

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Brar should play in NZ.  These tracks require 3 spinners anyway.  Better to back seamers with some experience if you are just going to play 2. 

 

Brar has more experience of bowling in SL than Prasidh. Took 10 wickets in a single match vs SL- A a month ago. Bowled more overs and more effective overs than Prasidh in the practice match too.

 

 

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Prasidh , Harshit and Brar are lon term players , just that Harshit's full fitness is a question mark. when he fully fit he is very close to Mayank yadav- he is very fast , kinda unplayable but his fitness is a question mark like BOOM. Prasidh is also normally not hundred percent fit and can be slow.

gurnoor is young and seems a strong lad ..i feel he can have steady fitness.

Bhai Prasidh is 30 year old...kahan se long term ? Max 3-4 years.

 

Gurnoor 26, Harshit 24, Mayank 24, Ashok 24, Tyagi 25...yeah these are young. Can play for 8-10 years.

[MK55]

Australia lacks pace in their bowling line up besides Starc.

Aging unit and their time is up. This is what happens when u don’t build the next gen of fast bowlers. Cummins and co have blocked everyone else for a long time.

Anyways they are still ranked number one. Pretty sure they will bounce back in the next. But collective batting and bowling failure caused this. 
 

Edited August 16 by MK55

[vishalvirsingh]

they are talking about making VVS ..director of cricket.

is it some kind of joke...?

agarkar has done a fairly good job as chairman of selectors, i would have extended his tenure.

but if vvs has to get a position ..he should replace gambhir or agarkar , because these 2 guys are holding positions that matter. it seems VVS does not want Gambhir'2s position as it is a position which has its high's and Lows. 

But i feel BCCI should realise Pub2lic is intelligent enough and you cant fool them. r they interested to pay big salaries to vvs

[JaFanatic]

21 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

1 )  Apart from Gurnoor and Prasidh, we don't have any newish 140 k+ pacers who have the fitness to play test matches at the moment. 

 

 

Pranav does he did play the youth test in sri lanka but he ain't ready for the international cricket yet

[Suhaan]

21 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Most people do.  And you can troll me for giving him some support.  

 

But my thought process is ....

 

1 )  Apart from Gurnoor and Prasidh, we don't have any newish 140 k+ pacers who have the fitness to play test matches at the moment. 

 

2 )  If Prasidh is kicked out, you would have Nabi and Cum-bojh floating the ball up at 125 k. Would you like it ?

 

3 )  After investing 3 to 4 years in making Prasidh more accurate, would it be prudent to drop him despite him achieving decent accuracy now. ?

 

4 )  Prasidh is nothing more than a support cast. Gurnoor and Mayank are lead bowler material like Bumrah and Shami. And it angers me if Gurnoor is dropped for support cast.

 

 

Apple Tom has the ability to bowl 140+ in red ball cricket,have seen him last season 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

Apple Tom has the ability to bowl 140+ in red ball cricket,have seen him last season 

 

 

Yes.

 

But he isn't even getting selected for his Zonal Team, let alone the A-team. Not even a regular for his state team.

 

Just look at the red ball A-team for their next picks. Nabi then Cum-bojh then Yash T.