vijay50 Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Good enough only for IPL. Not lamba race ka goda.Anderson and Broad has bowled more overs than Bhuvi, Shami, yet they are going strong. I understand Bhuvi has to bat for long periods. Hey, but Anderson and Broad also did it in some innings.Here is the beeakdown after 3rd test. Bhuvneshwar-125 overs. Shami-96 overs Jadeja-141 overs Anderson-151 overs Broad-137 overs Ali-109 overs Makes me wonder the role of bowling and fitness coach of Indian team. Ishant already broke down after 85 overs in 2 matches. Dhoni should stop complaining about long series and see how Eng are able to do it.
renjith Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 anderson and board are used to playing 5 match series in ashes whereas india rarely plays 5 matches in a series. that explains why our bowlers are more tired compared to anderson/board. in a sense i think its a blessing in disguise. dhoni will never give chance to players in bench unless there is an injury for first choice. one of the main reasons why we are poor in bowling is we are not trying out enough fringe players. if ishant and bhuvi are not fully fit, that means a chance for pandey/aaron. not a bad thing imo.
CSK Fan Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Do remember, Anderson and Broad have bowled one extra innings that is why their numbers look higher. Overs per innings would be similar or lesser. To top that, Bhuvi has been bowling 8 over spells or more consistently unlike them Edit - Over per innings - Anderson = 25.1 Bhuvi = 25 Broad = 22.8 Shami = 19.2
BlueBee Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Do remember' date=' Anderson and Broad have bowled one extra innings that is why their numbers look higher. Overs per innings would be similar or lesser. To top that, Bhuvi has been bowling 8 over spells or more consistently unlike them[/quote'] Only If Kohli would've been the captain.
vijay50 Posted August 1, 2014 Author Posted August 1, 2014 Do remember, Anderson and Broad have bowled one extra innings that is why their numbers look higher. Overs per innings would be similar or lesser. To top that, Bhuvi has been bowling 8 over spells or more consistently unlike them Edit - Over per innings - Anderson = 25.1 Bhuvi = 25 Broad = 22.8 Shami = 19.2 Overs per innings doesnt matter. Infact one extra innings of bowling implies Anderson and Broad are worked more. Though the way these bowlers are used by Dhoni is an issue,inspite of bowling less overs these guys are falling apart. What a joke. These guys are fit enough only to play 3 test series. Dont know why BCCI made it a 5 match series.Thrashing on the cards.
ThePhenomenal1 Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 all about rotation. they are only human. but i admit, fitness needs to be worked on. shami looks ridiculous, no intent.
Insidious Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Good enough only for IPL. Not lamba race ka goda.Anderson and Broad has bowled more overs than Bhuvi, Shami, yet they are going strong. I understand Bhuvi has to bat for long periods. Hey, but Anderson and Broad also did it in some innings.Here is the beeakdown after 3rd test. Bhuvneshwar-125 overs. Shami-96 overs Jadeja-141 overs Anderson-151 overs Broad-137 overs Ali-109 overs Makes me wonder the role of bowling and fitness coach of Indian team. Ishant already broke down after 85 overs in 2 matches. Dhoni should stop complaining about long series and see how Eng are able to do it. I think Ishant is lambe race ka ghoda, stamina and fitness wise he is as good as broad and anderson. I think he is of one of those gifted bowler who could bowl long spells with out losing intensity or breaking down, when on rhythm. He rarely get injured and this one is one of those rare occassion. His main problem is his action and wrist position that neither giving him the movement, nor the pace and bounce he is capable of. Don't say that anderson and Broad never got injured. I think the last time they toured to India Broad got injured in the middle of the series. AS far as Bhuvi is concerned, he had to play countless odis and t20s for India. so he hardly get time to go and play Ranji or to go on A tours. Even before this series, he only played tests on home turf, where he had to bowl only some 20 overs in a match. so i think his limited exposure to test matches plus over exposure to LOIs has affected his stamina a lot.
sensible-indian Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Its not just about overs. Its about how much you stretch for each spell. Dhoni was bowling Bhuvi for 10 over spells because he was the most likely to take a wicket. With Shami out of form and going for runs, Bhuvi's workload increased even more. Also Bhuvi's fitness comes into play but I just think Dhoni stretched him to the limits with big spells very frequently. Some can find out and post the stats of his spells which would help us get a clearer picture.
vvvslaxman Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Moeen Ali bowled more overs in the first test for England than Stuart Binny. Their 5th bowling option bowled a lot more overs than our 5th bowler. So the distribution, rotation were much much better
CSK Fan Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Overs per innings doesnt matter. Infact one extra innings of bowling implies Anderson and Broad are worked more. Though the way these bowlers are used by Dhoni is an issue,inspite of bowling less overs these guys are falling apart. What a joke. These guys are fit enough only to play 3 test series. Dont know why BCCI made it a 5 match series.Thrashing on the cards. Rest between overs are very important. Did you notice the short spells and the long breaks in between Anderson and Broad got? Also Indian bowlers play a hell of lot of matches, including IPL, than Anderson, etc who will hardly have matches in between these series
vijay50 Posted August 1, 2014 Author Posted August 1, 2014 Moeen Ali bowled more overs in the first test for England than Stuart Binny. Their 5th bowling option bowled a lot more overs than our 5th bowler. So the distribution' date=' rotation were much much better[/quote'] Good points, but still Bhuvi and Shami should not look like run over guys after 3 matches, compared to Anderson and Broad.
Lord Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 English bowlers going off the field when not bowling helped too :cantstop:
vvvslaxman Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Good points' date=' but still Bhuvi and Shami should not look like run over guys after 3 matches, compared to Anderson and Broad.[/quote'] We predicted in the first match itself it would happen because of improper handling of them b Dhoni. YOu are making one on one comparison with bowlers disregarding the fact how the were used and how these guys were used. Anderson, Broad are like veterans used to the rigor of long test match bowling . Besides the never had to bowl 13 over spells. They play 5 test series regularl. These guys are very early in their career . So handling of them has to be very very crucial. I 100% blame Doni for this situation. Bowlers are not at fault here. Each human body is different. They are here to use their skills and prize out wickets . The are not here for stamina contest. They have the required amount of stamina to be a successful fast bowler. But when you push them over edge their effectiveness will take a hit big time.
sensible-indian Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 We predicted in the first match itself it would happen because of improper handling of them b Dhoni. YOu are making one on one comparison with bowlers disregarding the fact how the were used and how these guys were used. Anderson, Broad are like veterans used to the rigor of long test match bowling . Besides the never had to bowl 13 over spells. They play 5 test series regularl. These guys are very early in their career . So handling of them has to be very very crucial. I 100% blame Doni for this situation. Bowlers are not at fault here. Each human body is different. They are here to use their skills and prize out wickets . The are not here for stamina contest. They have the required amount of stamina to be a successful fast bowler. But when you push them over edge their effectiveness will take a hit big time. Amen. His move in Southampton has caused a lot more problems than what the scorecard suggests.
adi B Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 We predicted in the first match itself it would happen because of improper handling of them b Dhoni. YOu are making one on one comparison with bowlers disregarding the fact how the were used and how these guys were used. Anderson, Broad are like veterans used to the rigor of long test match bowling . Besides the never had to bowl 13 over spells. They play 5 test series regularl. These guys are very early in their career . So handling of them has to be very very crucial. I 100% blame Doni for this situation. Bowlers are not at fault here. Each human body is different. They are here to use their skills and prize out wickets . The are not here for stamina contest. They have the required amount of stamina to be a successful fast bowler. But when you push them over edge their effectiveness will take a hit big time. ++
Laaloo Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 We have bigger issues than that. Dhoni will soon be like Voldemort He who shall not be named
maniac Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Bring Aaron in....Need raw pace....with Ishant out and Shami off color-Bhuvi also being doubtful-Pankaj and Pandey will be a recipe for diaster.
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