WC2011INDIA Posted April 2, 2016 Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, rkt.india said: ODIs are no different these days. On pitches like we had in Aus, there is no time to slow down. He did well there. If he had opened then would have scored more runs than Dhawan for sure. If anything our lower order sucked in Australia. Also, on those pitches any solid team can chase down 300+ if top order foundation is good and middle order bats well. Our problem has been we don't know what is defendable target. Edited April 2, 2016 by WC2011INDIA
Adi_91 Posted April 2, 2016 Posted April 2, 2016 Fearless brand of cricket yes. But, looking at this team, after Dhoni and Pandya, there isn't much batting either. You look at other teams and they have tailenders who can bat a bit. India needs to find some players who can do a job with the bat and ball too. Can't be one dimensional in this day and age.
zen Posted April 2, 2016 Author Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) From all these "insights", it appears as if after captaining for so long, Dhoni probably thinks nothing makes a huge difference so he turned the auto pilot on where a) he picks up 11 players to play the whole tournament. These players play irrespective of horses for courses, b) when Ind is batting first, the batsmen at the crease decide what the target should be so 1. If Rahane is batting, the ideal target, according to him, could be 180, and 2. If someone like Gayle is playing, the ideal target, according to him, could be 240 so they play accordingly irrespective of whether the pitch is actually a 180 one or a 240 one Against stronger teams and with this type of captaincy, Ind best chance would be when the conditions are sporting, and when Ind is chasing (so everyone knows what the target is and how to approach it without wasting 2-3 overs in the PP) Iirc, vs WI, Ind only scored 15 in the first 3 when the batsmen were unnesessarily assessing the already known conditions. This is an example of where Ind lost out on many of its runs as some of the other teams would have tried to get more runs Edited April 2, 2016 by rett diehardpacer and express bowling 2
Mosher Posted April 2, 2016 Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Adi_91 said: Fearless brand of cricket yes. But, looking at this team, after Dhoni and Pandya, there isn't much batting either. You look at other teams and they have tailenders who can bat a bit. India needs to find some players who can do a job with the bat and ball too. Can't be one dimensional in this day and age. The issue here is not the batting after Dhoni and Pandya as the lower order batsmen hardly get to bat in T20's. Instead we have to strengthen our top and middle order batting with some big hitters who play fearless cricket. Dhawan, Rahane are not suited for T20's and Raina is a sitting duck against fast bowlers for many years now and is woefully out of form now and Yuvi is past it. Need these players to be replaced by some of these youngters - Iyer, Nair, Mayank, Samson, Hooda, Mandeep, Rishabh, SKY etc. Edited April 2, 2016 by Mosher diehardpacer and express bowling 2
Adi_91 Posted April 2, 2016 Posted April 2, 2016 24 minutes ago, Mosher said: The issue here is not the batting after Dhoni and Pandya as the lower order batsman hardly get to bat in T20's. Instead we have to strengthen our top and middle order batting with some big hitters who play fearless cricket. Dhawan, Rahane are not suited for T20's and Raina is a sitting duck against fast bowlers for many years now and is woefully out of form now and Yuvi is past it. Need these players to be replaced by some of these youngters - Iyer, Nair, Mayank, Samson, Hooda, Mandeep, Rishabh, SKY etc. I hope the selectors reward the players you have mentioned.
rkt.india Posted April 2, 2016 Posted April 2, 2016 20 hours ago, tdigi said: Power hitting from the likes of Rohit and Raina never came. The top order flopped. I remember at one point Kohli said in a post match interview that Rohit failed and he had to be cautious in his approach. We needed explosive start to post a huge score. I think the fear of losing early wickets all the time played a role in the team's strategy. Rohit hit 3 sixes in 29 balls. Rest 1 in 91 balls.
rkt.india Posted April 2, 2016 Posted April 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Mosher said: The issue here is not the batting after Dhoni and Pandya as the lower order batsmen hardly get to bat in T20's. Instead we have to strengthen our top and middle order batting with some big hitters who play fearless cricket. Dhawan, Rahane are not suited for T20's and Raina is a sitting duck against fast bowlers for many years now and is woefully out of form now and Yuvi is past it. Need these players to be replaced by some of these youngters - Iyer, Nair, Mayank, Samson, Hooda, Mandeep, Rishabh, SKY etc. Pandya batted top 4 for Baroda and top scored in SMA trophy.
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