Wicket Keeper for Indian test team

[wtachetna]

MSD was an excellent wicket-keeper. Nobody can replace him with similar performance. We have to settle with less. Saha is a hard working boy. We should encourage him to improve his wicket keeping skills.

[rkt.india]

19 hours ago, Chandan said:

Dhoni when debuted for India was NEVER a below avr keeper. A very tidy fellow behind the stumps and thats why he could stay. But why are we comparing him to Samson? If you have stats, please present. No speculations, for Gods sake,

i am not speculating because I know Dhoni was averaging 32 in Fc cricket when he played for India.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, wtachetna said:

MSD was an excellent wicket-keeper. Nobody can replace him with similar performance. We have to settle with less. Saha is a hard working boy. We should encourage him to improve his wicket keeping skills.

MSD is excellent only against spin that too he became later, not when he made his debut. Saha is excellent against pace, but not as good as Dhoni against spin.

[Shoonya]

Dhoni's keeping when he first played international cricket vs Bangladesh in 2004 was hilarious. Even in the Pakistan series in 2005, he was struggling. 2007 in England, he was against terrible. His batting and presence of two equally shoddy keepers in PP and DK kept him in the side as keeper-batsman. He improved as a keeper over the time but still had his limitation.

 

So why not Samson if he does well in A tours.

[express bowling]

On 5/5/2016 at 4:03 PM, rkt.india said:

Dhoni made his test debut in 2005 at the age of 24 and he was averaging less than what Samson does in FC cricket at that time. Dhoni as a keeper was also below average at that time. Samson played for India A and played match winning knocks in Australia in one day games.

Yes... people tend to forget how much Dhoni has improved as a keeper while playing for India , especially while keeping to spinners.

[Chandan]

On 5/6/2016 at 2:11 PM, Shoonya said:

Dhoni's keeping when he first played international cricket vs Bangladesh in 2004 was hilarious. Even in the Pakistan series in 2005, he was struggling. 2007 in England, he was against terrible. His batting and presence of two equally shoddy keepers in PP and DK kept him in the side as keeper-batsman. He improved as a keeper over the time but still had his limitation.

 

 

Hilarious??

 

So how did he sustain himself in the squad? And if his keeping was hilarious and yet he wasn't dropped, wonder what was the keeping of DK, PP like?? Why not present the stats guys. 

 

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So why not Samson if he does well in A tours.

How will he be selected for IND A tours if hes doing so bad for his Ranji team, that he himself stops keeping for them midway through the season??

[rkt.india]

On 5/5/2016 at 6:13 PM, Chandan said:

what stats can be presented for a wicket keeper? Dhoni made it to test team based on his odi batting performance. We needed a batsman who could keep. Dhoni provided that option. Dhoni was a keeper but DK as a keeper was better, parthiv was poor. But since Dhoni had cemented his place due to batting, karthik had no chance for come back. Also, Dhoni kept improving as a keeper by every game.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Chandan said:

Hilarious??

 

So how did he sustain himself in the squad? And if his keeping was hilarious and yet he wasn't dropped, wonder what was the keeping of DK, PP like?? Why not present the stats guys. 

 

How will he be selected for IND A tours if hes doing so bad for his Ranji team, that he himself stops keeping for them midway through the season??

Samson was selected for India A tour to Aus and did well.

[Chandan]

18 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Samson was selected for India A tour to Aus and did well.

And which year was that?

 

The last wicket keepers to IND A were Ojha V Aus A :

 

http://goo.gl/vr2p4v

 

http://goo.gl/QFrM8s

 

And Bains vs SA A :

 

http://goo.gl/jr72uM

 

http://goo.gl/MTKHDv

 

Has Ind A played any unofficial test after that? I don't think so.

 

edit: sorry, one more Ind A match v Bangladesh A on 27th sept last yr:

 

http://goo.gl/1JTccx

 

Ojha kept here too.

 

And to say that Dhoni's keeping was hilarious, those tdays, every match was electronically. If he dropped catches, it must have been there. Or there must have been reporta as media had eagle eye on Indian keepers then.

 

I can't find anything to say MSD's keeping was hilarious in early days, and Kartik, who I remember was dropped for terrible keeping was a better keeper. Hence I said, do present stats, or reports or anything.

Edited May 8, 2016 by Chandan

[jusarrived]

On 03/05/2016 at 5:50 PM, gakgupta said:

His batting might go for dogs if he concentrate on something else which he is not naturally likes ....... We already have good examples of that (Irfan Pathan).....

 

If he likes it naturally, then it's not an issue but he forcefully taking it up, then it can go either way....which means he might loose his batting skills as well....

 

This kid can become very good TEST opening batsmen....(in vijay mode)...

 

India has been really bad producing good test opening batsmen.....After gavaskar.....it took nearly few decades before we could find sehwag......and now we can have good batsmen at both the ends (Vijay and Rahul)

 

He was a regular keeper in u19 days and he said in a recent interview hes not been keeping cos of some back problems . Looks like he wants to work on his keeping . 

[mishra]

No Saha please, but i m sure selectors will pick him. I will instead go for Ojha and pick Pant as second keeper. Drop Ojha as soon as Pant gives enough confidence

[gakgupta]

 

He was a regular keeper in u19 days and he said in a recent interview hes not been keeping cos of some back problems . Looks like he wants to work on his keeping . 

Back problem is a huge one ...it will never cure 100%....so we can assume that he can never be a 100% keeper

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[wtachetna]

On 6/5/2016 at 1:53 PM, rkt.india said:

MSD is excellent only against spin that too he became later, not when he made his debut. Saha is excellent against pace, but not as good as Dhoni against spin.

You are right. Also, he is a very aggressive player. His batting average is the highest amongst wicketkeepers in ODIs. His helicopter shot is very famous against spinners.

[Ankit_sharma03]

At present there is no better option than Saha in test, he played cruicial knocks in SL n SA series. Those 20-30 in Sa series may look low score but they were really imp in those low scoring test matches and he did score 2 50s in 2 test in Sl which is gud.

His keeping was absolutely brilliant in Sa series spcially on those dustbowls which is a nightmare for any keeper, few misses happens with everyone. 

 

Kl rahul shudnt be considered as test keeper, Keeping requires lots of match practice and infact yrs of it. HE doesnt even keep for his state side. He is an opener in test so we cant make him keep n then ask him to open. Lets not forget the min Dhawan fails he is our backup opener and there is no other option at a far distance. A test opener cnt be a keeper

 

Karthik , Patel ,uthaapa after so many yrs make blunder after blunder but yes there batting is way ahead than Saha 

 

Ojha has to wait for his chance n grab it when he gets it, he threw his wkt in SL had he carried on n made a big score he wud have been in team for sure. 

 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

I would go with Dinesh Karthik in Tests and a combination of Rishabh Pant and Karthik in shorter formats. I'm not sold on Saha and likes of Ojha and Pappu Patel don't inspire much confidence either. KL Rahul is a specialist batsman and can be used in case of emergencies in shorter format but he's not good enough to be a long term wk.

Edited May 27, 2016 by Ultimate_Game

[Texan]

Saha does not give me much confidence as a no6 batsman when we play 5 bowlers. I would prefer Ojha to Saha. Is Sheldon Jackson a regular keeper? I don't think he regularly keeps for Saurashtra either. His batting stats are pretty good. 

[tweaker]

Saha performance in WI should be judged & if he is not able to perform in 4 tests,the selectors should look at young keepers 

[Forever Indian]

Srikar Bharat it should be. 22 year old youngster who is an opener and has a solid FC average of 45.

 

Will help fix three problems - Getting rid of the walking wicket Dhawan, able to accommodate another batsman in playing XI and being able to play Five bowlers all the time...

 

He should certainly be asked to open in A tours.

[maniac]

On 5/27/2016 at 1:19 PM, Ultimate_Game said:

I would go with Dinesh Karthik in Tests and a combination of Rishabh Pant and Karthik in shorter formats. I'm not sold on Saha and likes of Ojha and Pappu Patel don't inspire much confidence either. KL Rahul is a specialist batsman and can be used in case of emergencies in shorter format but he's not good enough to be a long term wk.

Dinesh Karthik is a terrific batsman,A wasted talent if there was one, Very Good technique in tests and can play innovative shots in LOI's

 

as a keeper used to be pretty agile but is a mental midget and can lose focus fast...He can pull off  a blinder at one moment but drop a dolly the next.

 

In Tests he will be a disaster almost Akmalesque as one crucial drop catch with our bowling line up that already struggles to get 20 wickets overseas can be a catastrophe.

 

Pappu is a league below Karthik as a batsman but still a tier above Saha and Ojha as a batsman but again another poor keeper.

 

Uthappa is not a keeper,maybe 'kaam chalaoo' in LOI's but it's a joke to consider him in tests as a batsman leave alone as a keeper.Even the thought of him keeping in tests is a taboo.

 

Rahul should not even keep in ODI's leave alone tests but yes should be a regular in our squad in all 3 formats may be even a sure starter given Shaky Dhawan's form...If a keeper is injured in T20's might chip in for a few overs that should be the extent of his keeping.

 

Pant-Yes start grooming him now and get him ready for tests,at this point should get chances in ODI's and T20's to slowly establish himself.

 

Samson-Just like Pant.....Might not be a bad idea to have them both in the squad like we did with Karthik and Dhoni when they came to the scene till one of them established themselves

 

 

 

 

 

 

^ As of now it is Saha and Ojha depending on the conditions-Saha in SC and Ojha overseas

[TheWall]

Sad.... we have to rely on players like saha and ohja.....