Team india for Zimbawe tour 2016

[vishalvirsingh]

On 23/05/2016 at 3:21 PM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Why jaydev ...is he better than bran.

They had to select one and I beleive bran is a better option.

 

Why jayant yadav...he is average...wrong selection

Amit mishra is a much better spinner than chahal- amit is the best spinner we have..he has taken bucket full wickets in past..chahal won't suceed big in odi..in t20..he is hit and wickets are gifted.

 

Faiz ...wrong selection.

 

[vishalvirsingh]

Why such a weak team is selected for Zimbabwe tour....

[gakgupta]

1 hour ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Why jaydev ...is he better than bran.

They had to select one and I beleive bran is a better option.

 

Why jayant yadav...he is average...wrong selection

Amit mishra is a much better spinner than chahal- amit is the best spinner we have..he has taken bucket full wickets in past..chahal won't suceed big in odi..in t20..he is hit and wickets are gifted.

 

Faiz ...wrong selection.

 

Jayant is a good all-rounder.....i have seen his bowling in this IPL and liked his bowling skills....not seen his batting but if he is any good, then he should be considered for the all-rounder spot...

 

Jadeja has been good with his fielding and bowling (to some extent) but his batting in ODI's has been pathetic and someone should be tried out

[gakgupta]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

Someone like a Jai Bista is a much bigger talent than Fazal. He is just 20...opens the innings, is a proper batsman and plays very fast.

Express Bhai....some of your responses are so thought-out and very sensible....but sometimes, you come up with these comments which surprises me...

 

You have some followers on this forum .........

 

Jai bista is not even regular for mumbai team.....but that shouldn't stop him for being selected for india team.....I strongly believe that for any batsmen to be considered for team india, he should spend atleast 2 years in domestic circuit....else, we will be making one more yuvi or Raina <Only good for ODI and never good for Tests>

[beetle]

1 hour ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Why jaydev ...is he better than bran.

They had to select one and I beleive bran is a better option.

 

Why jayant yadav...he is average...wrong selection

Amit mishra is a much better spinner than chahal- amit is the best spinner we have..he has taken bucket full wickets in past..chahal won't suceed big in odi..in t20..he is hit and wickets are gifted.

 

Faiz ...wrong selection.

 

Bran = Barinder Sran is in the team too.

[gakgupta]

On 23/05/2016 at 9:47 PM, bowl_out said:

Mindless selection... Was expecting Rahane to lead, with Vijay, DK, Krunal, Yusuf, Bhuvi in the team.. 

 

Why Jadhav, Unadkat, Rishi Dhawan? 

Pls done mess up with vijay's mind set....we have already seen that his test cricket will be affected by his ODI selection...he cannot switch between formats easily....we have shortage for good test players and lets keep him away from other cricket

[bowl_out]

1 minute ago, gakgupta said:

Pls done mess up with vijay's mind set....we have already seen that his test cricket will be affected by his ODI selection...he cannot switch between formats easily....we have shortage for good test players and lets keep him away from other cricket

Vijay is in my consideration set only because the next WC is in England... We need good, technically sound players in England, and Vijay fits the bill perfectly

[express bowling]

11 hours ago, gakgupta said:

Express Bhai....some of your responses are so thought-out and very sensible....but sometimes, you come up with these comments which surprises me...

 

You have some followers on this forum .........

 

Jai bista is not even regular for mumbai team.....but that shouldn't stop him for being selected for india team.....I strongly believe that for any batsmen to be considered for team india, he should spend atleast 2 years in domestic circuit....else, we will be making one more yuvi or Raina <Only good for ODI and never good for Tests>

Guptaji....not all posts are meant to be serious...some are supposed to be sarcastic or tongue in cheek.   

 

Regarding Bista, I am just pointing out his talent and bringing him into the discussion as an example of the type of batsman which the selectors should look to develop for our international team.  Not an ordinary batsman like Fazal.    This tour of Zimbabwe is more like an A tour, meant for player development and most of those selected won't find a place in our first LOI teams when we play against any other test playing nation.

 

Regarding our domestic cricket...it needs to improve a lot for it work as a player development tool. There are too many teams leading to low level of competition. Very few zonal games are played. The pitches are often not upto the mark.  We need more zonal games and games between India A, B, C etc. played on sporting tracks.  As long as that does not happen the A tours and Zimbabwe tours are the more potent tools to develop players.

Edited May 25, 2016 by express bowling

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, bowl_out said:

Vijay is in my consideration set only because the next WC is in England... We need good, technically sound players in England, and Vijay fits the bill perfectly

We have Kl rahul n rahane who are also better fielder than vijay , problem is not the need of technically gud batsman . We need someone to give us blazing starts and someone in lower order to give use extra 20-30 runs with our lacklusture bowling attack

 

Problem with most of our top order batsman like rohit, rahane, kohli, dhawan, pandey, dhoni is that they take their time. We lack that extra edge of gayle, mccllum, warner . The only batsman who gives me such hopes is Rishab pant who is quite young n his playing for india looks a distant future thing. 

 

In Odi in eng they are generally gud batting wktss. Eng have two spinners(ali, and rasheed) stroke playing batsman who enjoy flat decks so they wnt prepare pitches with too much spice for fast bowlers and their Odi bowlers arent tht world class either compare to other teams who have starc, aamir, rabadda, steyn, boult, southee n all . They wnt give that advantage to other teams. 

 

[express bowling]

This team does not have any lower order big hitters  at all unless Dhoni is willing to take on that role and has the form or mindset to execute that role. 

 

Why have they not been selected, this team being exclusively for LOIs    ?  

Edited May 25, 2016 by express bowling

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

This team does not have any lower order big hitter at all unless Dhoni is willing to take on that role and has the form or mindset to execute that role. 

 

Why have they not been selected, this team being exclusively for LOIs    ?  

M shocked that they are giving axar so many chances when jadeja is already there, Same kind of players. Jadeja himself isnt ideal All-rounder whats the point of having axar, does he bring anything new the table. Its time we have selectors who understand modern game the needs of it . Most of them have played cricket in 80-90s n they still live in the mentality of 250 runs is a gud total in ODi. 

 

Someone who have recently played wud understand that we need lower order hitter, Wrist spinners, Player who can field well & most imp bowler who bowl at 120-125k dnt work in international cricket . Its not 1983 wc where roger binny, amarnath n madan lal type bowler wud get english conditions, its modern day cricket where its patta all around world and 300 is also not safe

 

It was a golden chance to send someone like hardik pandya, 3 odi he wud have got 10-10 overs each game to bowl and conditions there provide some movement. It wud have given him some exp. 

 

A golden chance to test how gud is krunal bowling n batting in Int cricket.

A golden chance to Fast track Nathu singh, Ankit rajpoot 

 

All gone to dogs

Edited May 24, 2016 by Ankit_sharma03

[gakgupta]

Guptaji....not all posts are meant to be serious...some are supposed to be sarcastic or tongue in cheek.   

 

Regarding Bista, I am just pointing out his talent and bringing him into the discussion as an example of the type of batsman which the selectors should look to develop for our international team.  Not an ordinary batsman like Fazal.    This tour of Zimbabwe is more like an A tour, meant for player development and most of those selected won't find a place in our first LOI teams when we play against any other test playing nation.

 

Regarding our domestic cricket...it need to improve a lot for it work as a player development tool. There are too many teams leading to low level of competition. Very few zonal games are played. The pitches are often not upto the mark.  We need more zonal games and games between India A, B, C etc. played on sporting tracks.  As long as that does not happen the A tours and Zimbabwe tours are the more potent tools to develop players.

Yup agree

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[express bowling]

7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

M shocked that they are giving axar so many chances when jadeja is already there, Same kind of players. Jadeja himself isnt ideal All-rounder whats the point of having axar, does he bring anything new the table. Its time we have selectors who understand modern game the needs of it . Most of them have played cricket in 80-90s n they still live in the mentality of 250 runs is a gud total in ODi. 

 

Someone who have recently played wud understand that we need lower order hitter, Wrist spinners, Player who can field well & most imp bowler who bowl at 120-125k dnt work in international cricket . Its not 1983 wc where roger binny, amarnath n madan lal type bowler wud get english conditions, its modern day cricket where its patta all around world and 300 is also not safe

 

It was a golden chance to send someone like hardik pandya, 3 odi he wud have got 10-10 overs each game to bowl and conditions there provide some movement. It wud have given him some exp. 

 

A golden chance to test how gud is krunal bowling n batting in Int cricket.

A golden chance to Fast track Nathu singh, Ankit rajpoot 

 

All gone to dogs

Modern ODIs require at least 2 lower middle order batsmen  with SR of 110+ and in T20Is... SR of 145+ ( who can bowl too or keep wickets ). We are not trying to develop such players. Krunal, Hardik, Yousuf etc. would fit the bill. 

 

No such player in the squad. 

 

And yes.... chance to give some valuable experience to Nathu and Rajpoot missed.

 

 

Edited May 25, 2016 by express bowling

[tweaker]

It is surprising to see that Iyer is not selected after scoring more than 1300 runs & Faiz can be selected on the basis of 2-3 innings.

If Iyer failure in IPL went against him,Faiz was not part of it

[youngindia]

Giving opportunities to u 24 guys does not generally work...these guys are years from maturing their game and have a long way to go in removing their flaws.....hence chances have been given to 25+ guys

 

the younger guys have plenty of time to remove the chinks in their game..people shud not mistake high averages in a domestic season for maturity..

 

that does not mean the flaws in their game have been removed..it will take years before they are at full potential..full potential in batting is at 27-30 years of age

 

guys like rayudu and uthappa have been exposed before, but have worked hard for years to remove all those flaws..they r solid and reliable now

 

howevr this does not excuse the odd selection of faiz...thats a bit too far...however the general trend to select more seasoned players is logical in the real world.

 

rahul is regarded as the odd youngster who has progressed fast

 

i think this will be the case for indian cricket from now on...if you look at the aussies, only guys like chappell,border,waugh,ponting ,smith got chances at a young age....others are pretty much older when they play their first test

 

there are bound to  up and downs before they get their chance...look at manish pandey for example.

 

kohli and now potentially rahul are the 0.5 minority...they are not a majority

 

giving chances to the odd tendulkar or kohli at an early age and giving chances to others at around age 25 or 27 is a sound logical strategy,

 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2016 by youngindia
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[CoverDrive]

I feel that selectors do not follow the whole ranji season and then look at matches like irani trophy (where fazal and karun nair played well) to make decisions. dont understand how he can be picked over iyer 

[tweaker]

For Zimbabwe tour selectors should have given weightage to domestic performance.Shreyas Iyer,with more than.1300 runs & Nadeem more than 50 wickets certainly deserved selections in the 16 man squad.Axar Patel had his opportunities before,but as highest wicket taker in this year Ranji Trophy,Nadeem should have made it in the place of Axar or Jayant.

[vishalvirsingh]

Yusuf Pathan could have been picked...he is in form and he is the hard hitting batsman India requires.

 

had he succeeded he could play at no 7.

[kruiser]

Why trying to find logic behind selections? To even get in to a Ranji team you need connections and money unless you are a tendulkar or a kohli.

Fazal obviously bought his spot into the 17, on the condition that he will not be part of the playing 11.

[express bowling]

On 5/25/2016 at 3:51 PM, youngindia said:

Giving opportunities to u 24 guys does not generally work...these guys are years from maturing their game and have a long way to go in removing their flaws.....hence chances have been given to 25+ guys

 

Most of the players who have made it big in Indian cricket have established themselves in the Indian team and done well  before the age of 25.  The list includes names like Gavaskar, Vishwanath, Bedi, Chandrasekhar,  Kapil, Shastri, Azharuddin, Kumble, Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly, Yuvraj ( ODIs ), Sehwag, Dhoni ( ODIs ), Kohli , Shami ( ODIs )  etc..   Maturing as a player at a younger age is not that rare.

 

There have been a few like Prasanna, Srinath, Vijay, Rohit ( ODIs ), Ishant , Ashwin etc. who have done well only after they have turned 25.

 

Different players mature at different ages.   Some even end up losing form after they turn 30 like Gambhir.

 

Pacers often lose fitness and pace after they become mentally mature. 

 

It is better to consider players on a case to case basis  and pick them accordingly.  

 

A better approach is not picking under-developed players for team India based on just potential.  Let them develop their game and then choose them whatever the age.  The only exceptions to this can be lower order sloggers for LOIs where SR and form are more important .....and Zimbabwe tours which are  for player development  ( due to the low quality of their team ).

 

 

 

 

Edited May 26, 2016 by express bowling