Fast bowlers - Catch 'em young?

[G_B_]

Nathu Singh is 20 years old has played 6 first class games has a bowling average of 40 and sr of 75.

Am I missing something?

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[Bleed-Blue]

5 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

Nathu Singh is 20 years old has played 6 first class games has a bowling average of 40 and sr of 75.

Am I missing something?

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The Hype is because can bowl 140+

[Texan]

2 hours ago, G_B_ said:

Nathu Singh is 20 years old has played 6 first class games has a bowling average of 40 and sr of 75.

Am I missing something?

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True. Not saying he should have been picked, but sometimes it is about more than just the average. Pat Cummins averaged 40 when he was picked to play for Australia despite Australia having a wealth of fast bowlers with averages below 30. That is why we have selectors and not number crunchers picking teams. 

[Mosher]

4 hours ago, G_B_ said:

Nathu Singh is 20 years old has played 6 first class games has a bowling average of 40 and sr of 75.

Am I missing something?

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We also have to look at his potential. Nathu has impressed everyone from Dravid, Gambhir, Sandeep Patil and whoever has seen him bowl. If we only go by stats then we will pack the team with trundlers who will be taken apart at the international level.

[express bowling]

7 hours ago, G_B_ said:

Nathu Singh is 20 years old has played 6 first class games has a bowling average of 40 and sr of 75.

Am I missing something?

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Stats have very little meaning when a player has played only a handful of matches.  We are forgetting the purpose of A tours  (  developing  players who have the potential to represent their countries ).

 

Lots of top Indian players have been impressed by  Nathu because  he has the ability to get sharp bounce from just short of length and that delivery comes in very handy at international level. He has pace too, can swing the ball and has a good yorker.  We need to get him ready for international cricket.

 

It is always possible that Nathu will not realize his potential and will becoming nothing. But that can happen with any young cricketer. We have seen big talent like Kambli, Sivaramakrishnan , Munaf  etc, fade away.

 

But we need to develop the " right kinds of cricketers ".   Dibbly-dobbly seamers like Joginder Sharma, Rishi Dhawan,  Vinay Kumar have some of the best FC averages. Just imagine what would happen if our seam attack consisted of this  trio.

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[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, G_B_ said:

Nathu Singh is 20 years old has played 6 first class games has a bowling average of 40 and sr of 75.

Am I missing something?

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he had a 7-fer on debut.

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, Bleed-Blue said:

The Hype is because can bowl 140+

He doesn't bowl 140 plus. He bowls in 135-142k range of whatever i saw but he is young, so, hopefully, he will gain more pace. Yadav too used to bowl at same pace at the age of 20 who clocked 141k in his debut Duleep trophy game in early 2009.

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

He doesn't bowl 140 plus. He bowls in 135-142k range of whatever i saw but he is young, so, hopefully, he will gain more pace. Yadav too used to bowl at same pace at the age of 20 who clocked 141k in his debut Duleep trophy game in early 2009.

19 year old Alzarri Joseph was bowling 128 k to 141 k in this match and being hailed as quick for his age.   20 year old  Nathu was bowling 132  k  to 142 k.

 

West Indians generally reach peak pace at an earlier age compared to Indians...so, Nathu's pace is right up there for his age and he should gain pace if he stays fit.

 

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[Bleed-Blue]

30 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

He doesn't bowl 140 plus. He bowls in 135-142k range of whatever i saw but he is young, so, hopefully, he will gain more pace. Yadav too used to bowl at same pace at the age of 20 who clocked 141k in his debut Duleep trophy game in early 2009.

Fair enough,i heard in the nets he hit 145

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Bleed-Blue said:

Fair enough,i heard in the nets he hit 145

MRF coach said in an interview that Nathu  bowls around 140 k and touches 145 k a few times in a spell.

 

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/want-to-hit-140-kph-consistently-nathu-singh/

 

In FC matches, he was bowling 132 k to 142 k and averaging around 137 k.

 

Most pacers seem to register 3 k  to 4 k  slower speeds under domestic speed guns. So....

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[express bowling]

 

Here is a Youtube video of Nathu bowling.  He is the taller bowler who bowls 3 batsmen by bowling inswingers. The shorter, slower pacer who bowls a couple of deliveries in the middle of the video is Dhawal Kulkarni. Don't mistake him for Nathu as the video is a bit unclear.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[express bowling]

 

 

 Ankit Rajpoot  bounces out Ponting  when he was not as quick as he is now.  ( From youtube )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[express bowling]

 

Ankit Rajpoot bowling in FC  ( from Youtube )

 

 

 

 

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[express bowling]

Rajpoot was bowling 137 k to 147 k in this year's IPL. Getting swing and bounce as he is quite tall.

 

In FC , he was bowling 130 k to 139 k when he was carrying an injury and had to leave the match mid-way. There too, he was getting swing and bounce.

 

He averages 25 in FC and and has got 25 wickets from 5 matches in the last season's Ranji ( so he is a domestic performer too ).

 

He has trained under McGrath in MRF Pace Foundation and , according to McGrath, Ankit Rajpoot, Nathu Singh and Aswin Christ are the 3 fast bowlers who have the potential to play for India ( among those who have trained under him )

 

Rajpoot may or maynot do well in international cricket...no-one can really say....but he is the type of bowler who should be groomed.

 

 

[tweaker]

Nathusingh had the wickets of Mandeep Singh,Kedhar Jadhav in this spell.

As a rookie bowler,he has bowled to quality batsman.He has a lovely action,has ability to bowl 140+ kmph,& he has shown he has ability to change his bowling as the pitch

[express bowling]

 

A better quality video from Starsports  ...of  the spell by Nathu Singh that I posted above.

 

 

http://www.starsports.com/cricket/videos/vod/video=deodhar-trophy-2016-india-india-nathu-rocks-india/index.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[G_B_]

how about we just let him be a kid and finish playing 2 full ranji seasons. He will still be 22 which is young and from that point A tours can be considered. A lot of posters IMO are just too enthusiastic about finding the next big thing. 

 

For all this talk about trundlers, yesterday i saw Bhuvi touching 135 on a regular basis. So i am sure with proper guidance maybe a 130 trundler can become a 135-140 bowler. 

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[express bowling]

35 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

how about we just let him be a kid and finish playing 2 full ranji seasons. He will still be 22 which is young and from that point A tours can be considered. A lot of posters IMO are just too enthusiastic about finding the next big thing. 

 

 

How does playing for the A team for a few days stop a player from playing  FC cricket  and Ranji Trophy    ?    A tours are for player development too.

 

No one is asking for them to be included in Team India.

 

Also, Ankit Rajpoot has played more than 2 seasons of FC.

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[G_B_]

Rajpoot IMO fair enough. By all means let him be part of A tours.

But not nathu just yet. At that age ur still finding yourself. If u bowl in alien conditions it might alter the way you think etc. Ultimately a pacers will mostly play majority of his games at home.

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[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

But not nathu just yet. At that age ur still finding yourself. If u bowl in alien conditions it might alter the way you think etc. Ultimately a pacers will mostly play majority of his games at home.

 

Are you talking about international cricket or FC matches ?