India's Greatest Test XI [ selected by Cricket Australia ]

[Muloghonto]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I  do not agree with the mediocre pacer bit....that is the main point.  Without support  from the other end, the potential of a pacer is not even remotely realized because he can bowl only a few overs in a spell and the opposition batsmen just see his spell through.  

 

A good example is Srinath in India...with support from Kumble there, he averaged 26 at home.  That is anything but mediocre.

Srinath himself said that most of his career, he didnt know what length to bowl overseas. Zaheer also said that it took him many years to realize that the length that works for pacers in India doesnt overseas. 

 

As for being a lone pacer is an ineffective pacer- try telling that to Hadlee.

Or what about West Indies in India in 94-95, where Walsh was the only great pacer around and 'without any support' took 17 wickets@ 21 ?

Not having any support makes a difference through the career. sure. 

But it doesnt justify mediocrity in virtually EVERY SINGLE SERIES one plays. Kapil had no support and Kapil had a few monster series. If Srinath was a great pacer, he would've had more than just ONE series overseas where he averaged <25 with the ball against world class opposition.

he averaged <25 overseas only 4 times : 3 of those times were 1-off tests in Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka and are not even 'series'. The ONLY time he averaged <25 overseas is against South Africa.

Sorry, but this is indicative of lack of quality, not lack of just support.

 

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Srinath himself said that most of his career, he didnt know what length to bowl overseas. Zaheer also said that it took him many years to realize that the length that works for pacers in India doesnt overseas. 

 

As for being a lone pacer is an ineffective pacer- try telling that to Hadlee.

Or what about West Indies in India in 94-95, where Walsh was the only great pacer around and 'without any support' took 17 wickets@ 21 ?

Not having any support makes a difference through the career. sure. 

But it doesnt justify mediocrity in virtually EVERY SINGLE SERIES one plays. Kapil had no support and Kapil had a few monster series. If Srinath was a great pacer, he would've had more than just ONE series overseas where he averaged <25 with the ball against world class opposition.

he averaged <25 overseas only 4 times : 3 of those times were 1-off tests in Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka and are not even 'series'. The ONLY time he averaged <25 overseas is against South Africa.

Sorry, but this is indicative of lack of quality, not lack of just support.

 

 

So...how did Srinath manage to average 26 at home throughout his whole career, after playing 32 of his 67  test matches  here .... if he lacked quality ?  

[Muloghonto]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

So...how did Srinath manage to average 26 at home throughout his whole career, after playing 32 of his 67  test matches  here .... if he lacked quality ?  

He grew up bowling in India, he knew what length to bowl in India. It is not just Srinath, virtually every Indian/Pakistani/Sri Lankan pacer has better stats home than away.

Averaging 26 with the ball as a pacer in familiar conditions is indicative of lack of ATG status quality. Spinners who average <30 are universally considered ATG category, especially if they have long careers.

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

He grew up bowling in India, he knew what length to bowl in India. It is not just Srinath, virtually every Indian/Pakistani/Sri Lankan pacer has better stats home than away.

Averaging 26 with the ball as a pacer in familiar conditions is indicative of lack of ATG status quality. Spinners who average <30 are universally considered ATG category, especially if they have long careers.

 

The part in bold is a ridiculous statement !

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

. Spinners who average <30 are universally considered ATG category, especially if they have long careers.

Murali and Warne broke that myth.

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Murali and Warne broke that myth.

There is no myth to it. Still averaging <30 as a spinner while having a long career is considered ATG territory for spinners. Murali and Warne were exceptionally good, so they averaged 22-25. That doesnt negate the fact that <30 for spinners is ATG territory. For pacers, <25 is considered ATG territory. Dale Steyn is an ATG because he averages 21-22 with 400+ wickets. If tomorrow we have a pacer come around who averages 15 with the ball and takes 400 + wickets, it doesnt make Dale Steyn a 'not ATG'. It simply makes this new guy even better.

 

[express bowling]

Here is a list of performances by  Indian bowlers with more than 80 wickets at home

 

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
R Ashwin	2011-2016	20	39	1021.0	245	2798	133	7/66	12/85	21.03	2.74	46.0	13	3
BS Bedi	1966-1979	30	54	1731.5	649	3287	137	7/98	9/70	23.99	1.89	75.8	8	0
A Kumble	1993-2008	63	115	3465.2	895	8710	350	10/74	14/149	24.88	2.51	59.4	25	7
N Kapil Dev	1978-1994	65	119	2035.1	467	5803	219	9/83	11/146	26.49	2.85	55.7	11	2
MH Mankad	1948-1959	23	38	1294.3	416	2733	103	8/52	13/131	26.53	2.11	75.4	4	2
J Srinath	1994-2002	32	57	1005.0	248	2874	108	8/86	13/132	26.61	2.85	55.8	5	1
EAS Prasanna	1962-1977	22	41	1115.3	345	2560	95	6/74	10/174	26.94	2.29	70.4	5	1
PP Ojha	2009-2013	20	40	1070.1	262	2779	101	6/47	10/89	27.51	2.59	63.5	7	1
BS Chandrasekhar	1964-1979	32	55	1530.5	408	3933	142	8/79	11/235	27.69	2.56	64.6	8	1
Harbhajan Singh	1998-2013	55	103	2831.3	565	7624	265	8/84	15/217	28.76	2.69	64.1	18	4
SP Gupte	1951-1961	21	36	1074.4	352	2549	84	9/102	10/223	30.34	2.37	76.7	6	1
S Venkataraghavan	1965-1983	32	55	1379.1	463	2881	94	8/72	12/152	30.64	2.08	88.0	2	1
Z Khan	2000-2012	38	70	1218.1	258	3731	104	5/72	8/137	35.87	3.06	70.2	3	0

 

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Kapil and Srinath have done better than  Prasanna, Chandrashekhar, Gupte and Venkat even at home. 

 

Ashwin, Kumble and Bedi are right up there.

[Vilander]

Where is Rohit Sharma? 

[Muloghonto]

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Here is a list of performances by  Indian bowlers with more than 80 wickets at home

 

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
R Ashwin	2011-2016	20	39	1021.0	245	2798	133	7/66	12/85	21.03	2.74	46.0	13	3
BS Bedi	1966-1979	30	54	1731.5	649	3287	137	7/98	9/70	23.99	1.89	75.8	8	0
A Kumble	1993-2008	63	115	3465.2	895	8710	350	10/74	14/149	24.88	2.51	59.4	25	7
N Kapil Dev	1978-1994	65	119	2035.1	467	5803	219	9/83	11/146	26.49	2.85	55.7	11	2
MH Mankad	1948-1959	23	38	1294.3	416	2733	103	8/52	13/131	26.53	2.11	75.4	4	2
J Srinath	1994-2002	32	57	1005.0	248	2874	108	8/86	13/132	26.61	2.85	55.8	5	1
EAS Prasanna	1962-1977	22	41	1115.3	345	2560	95	6/74	10/174	26.94	2.29	70.4	5	1
PP Ojha	2009-2013	20	40	1070.1	262	2779	101	6/47	10/89	27.51	2.59	63.5	7	1
BS Chandrasekhar	1964-1979	32	55	1530.5	408	3933	142	8/79	11/235	27.69	2.56	64.6	8	1
Harbhajan Singh	1998-2013	55	103	2831.3	565	7624	265	8/84	15/217	28.76	2.69	64.1	18	4
SP Gupte	1951-1961	21	36	1074.4	352	2549	84	9/102	10/223	30.34	2.37	76.7	6	1
S Venkataraghavan	1965-1983	32	55	1379.1	463	2881	94	8/72	12/152	30.64	2.08	88.0	2	1
Z Khan	2000-2012	38	70	1218.1	258	3731	104	5/72	8/137	35.87	3.06	70.2	3	0

 

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Kapil and Srinath have done better than  Prasanna, Chandrashekhar, Gupte and Venkat even at home. 

 

Ashwin, Kumble and Bedi are right up there.

Almost all bowlers do better at home than away. 

Why are you surprised by this ? Kapil, Srinath, Wasim, Waqar, Imran- they all have better records at home than away. Its true for most bowlers - Walsh, Ambrose, McGrath- they all are better at home than away. Its because home conditions are the ones you are most familiar with, it is your strength.

 

The real value of Prasanna, Chandra, etc. are in the fact that in unfamiliar conditions they are FAR better than Srinath/Zaheer

 

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

There is no myth to it. Still averaging <30 as a spinner while having a long career is considered ATG territory for spinners. Murali and Warne were exceptionally good, so they averaged 22-25. That doesnt negate the fact that <30 for spinners is ATG territory. For pacers, <25 is considered ATG territory. Dale Steyn is an ATG because he averages 21-22 with 400+ wickets. If tomorrow we have a pacer come around who averages 15 with the ball and takes 400 + wickets, it doesnt make Dale Steyn a 'not ATG'. It simply makes this new guy even better.

 

 

There is no hard and fast rule to this. Spinners with higher averages are considered on a case to case basis to decide if  they are ATG, after considering many factors.

 

As the non-Asian countries did not have many good spinners from the "70s onward  ( Modern era for cricket )   till Warne came, no one really knew whether the bar set for spinners was good enough.  It is competition which sets the standard.

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

There is no hard and fast rule to this. Spinners with higher averages are considered on a case to case basis to decide if  they are ATG, after considering many factors.

 

As the non-Asian countries did not have many good spinners from the "70s onward  ( Modern era for cricket )   till Warne came, no one really knew whether the bar set for spinners was good enough.  It is competition which sets the standard.

Ofcourse, there is no hard-fast rule to averages. Its merely a good benchmark to have. 

Warne/Murali averaging 22-25 doesnt negate the fact that spinners such as Kumble, Mushy, Saqlain, etc. are in ATG category and fall in the <30 average club.

 

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Almost all bowlers do better at home than away. 

Why are you surprised by this ? Kapil, Srinath, Wasim, Waqar, Imran- they all have better records at home than away. Its true for most bowlers - Walsh, Ambrose, McGrath- they all are better at home than away. Its because home conditions are the ones you are most familiar with, it is your strength.

 

The real value of Prasanna, Chandra, etc. are in the fact that in unfamiliar conditions they are FAR better than Srinath/Zaheer

 

I am not surprised....pointing out that pacers Kapil and Srinath did better than spinners Prasanna, Chandra, Gupte and Venkat even at home which is not easy if the spinners were so great.  It shows what Kapil and Srinath could do when they had support from the other end.  It is a comparison between the spinners and pacers and not a comparison between home and away.

 

The case of McGrath , Walsh and Ambrose is not relevant here as they bowled in home. condition which favoured seamers.

 

The  Pakistani bowlers will be difficult to include in this discussion too as they had the benefit of bottle caps to aid  reverse swing at their home.

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

I am not surprised....pointing out that pacers Kapil and Srinath did better than spinners Prasanna, Chandra, Gupte and Venkat even at home which is not easy if the spinners were so great.  It shows what Kapil and Srinath could do when they had support from the other end.  It is a comparison between the spinners and pacers and not a comparison between home and away.

 

The case of McGrath , Walsh and Ambrose is not relevant here as they bowled in home. condition which favoured seamers.

 

The  Pakistani bowlers will be difficult to include in this discussion too as they had the benefit of bottle caps to aid  reverse swing at their home.

No, i disagree. The main factor is that almost ALL bowlers average better at home than away. This is not about which conditions favor whom, bowling is more about knowing where to bowl on what pitch.

Srinath was a classic example of this - give him Indian dustbowls he grew up on, he'd pitch it on good length or slightly fuller and get maximum off the pitch. Give him a green-top and he'd get over-excited and bowl short all day long and get plastered all across the ground. he himself said this.

Srinath/Kapil didnt do better at home because 'they had spinner support'- Kapil had no support, period. Not at home, not away. Only Doshi played till 1983 was any good. He still did better at home than away. Why ? because the overwhelming majority of bowlers do better at home than away, period. 

[express bowling]

18 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Ofcourse, there is no hard-fast rule to averages. Its merely a good benchmark to have. 

Warne/Murali averaging 22-25 doesnt negate the fact that spinners such as Kumble, Mushy, Saqlain, etc. are in ATG category and fall in the <30 average club.

 

 

After our independence there have been lots of spinners who have averaged below 28 in test cricket and taken more than 100 test wickets. To think that Warne and Murali are the only ones is a fallacy.  Even Derek Underwood of England averaged 25.8.  Sort of puts in perspective the high averages of our spinners even though they bowled 50%  of the times in spin friendly India.

 

Here is  the  list. 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
JH Wardle (ENG)	1950-1957	27	51	6579	2071	102	7/36	12/89	20.30	1.88	64.5	5	1
JC Laker (ENG)	1948-1959	44	83	11409	3795	182	10/53	19/90	20.85	1.99	62.6	8	3
M Muralitharan (ICC/SL)	1992-2010	133	230	44039	18180	800	9/51	16/220	22.72	2.47	55.0	67	22
R Ashwin (INDIA)	2011-2016	37	68	10291	5025	200	7/66	12/85	25.12	2.92	51.4	18	4
SK Warne (AUS)	1992-2007	145	273	40705	17995	708	8/71	12/128	25.41	2.65	57.4	37	10
GAR Lock (ENG)	1952-1968	49	88	13147	4451	174	7/35	11/48	25.58	2.03	75.5	9	3
DL Underwood (ENG)	1966-1982	86	151	21862	7674	297	8/51	13/71	25.83	2.10	73.6	17	6
HJ Tayfield (SA)	1949-1960	37	61	13568	4405	170	9/113	13/165	25.91	1.94	79.8	14	2
R Benaud (AUS)	1952-1964	63	116	19108	6704	248	7/72	11/105	27.03	2.10	77.0	16

 

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Edited September 25, 2016 by express bowling

[Muloghonto]

Um where did i say Warne/Murali were the only ones ? I said they were exceptionally good for averaging so low for so long. 

Its just that simple- if tomorrow we have two batsmen averaging 65 in test cricket over 100 matches, it doesnt mean the '50+ average in tests = ATG' rule of thumb is null and void. It just means they were far more exceptional than the ATG crowd.

 

A few side notes: 1. I don't consider Wardle/Laker/Lock/Tayfield to be true greats because they didnt play enough test cricket. comparing 150-200 wickets with 400+ is a no contest. 

2. Underwood was not a spinner. He was a slow bowler. Those bowlers are dead in cricket these days. The last one we saw i believe was Hansie Cronje. Underwood bowled with spinners grip, pacers grip, etc., not a spinner per se.

 

[express bowling]

21 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

No, i disagree. The main factor is that almost ALL bowlers average better at home than away. This is not about which conditions favor whom, bowling is more about knowing where to bowl on what pitch.

Srinath was a classic example of this - give him Indian dustbowls he grew up on, he'd pitch it on good length or slightly fuller and get maximum off the pitch. Give him a green-top and he'd get over-excited and bowl short all day long and get plastered all across the ground. he himself said this.

Srinath/Kapil didnt do better at home because 'they had spinner support'- Kapil had no support, period. Not at home, not away. Only Doshi played till 1983 was any good. He still did better at home than away. Why ? because the overwhelming majority of bowlers do better at home than away, period. 

 

Srinath  was not a swing bowler till 1998. He depended on  pace, bounce and seam movement.  His length was not unsuited for that bowling style but , I cannot remember how many times he had to bowl without a short-leg even though he was bringing the ball in with bounce, and catches lobbed up there.  This is how he fared each year after captains became used to his bowling style and set appropriate fields.

 

                                                                                                             Average

year 1995		3	3	37.0	14	81	5	3/24	5/65	16.20	2.18	44.4	0	0
year 1996		7	13	322.4	82	905	33	6/21	8/68	27.42	2.80	58.6	1	0
year 1997		5	8	197.5	40	700	22	5/104	7/167	31.81	3.53	53.9	1	0
year 1998		4	8	159.3	30	452	17	3/44	6/124	26.58	2.83	56.2	0	0
year 1999		9	18	392.2	93	1205	44	8/86	13/132	27.38	3.07	53.5	4	1
year 2000		6	10	216.2	53	570	21	5/60	9/141	27.14	2.63	61.8	1	0
year 2001		8	16	289.4	73	915	33	6/76	8/104	27.72	3.15	52.6	3	0

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/34105.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

Not bad at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2016 by express bowling

[express bowling]

20 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Um where did i say Warne/Murali were the only ones ? I said they were exceptionally good for averaging so low for so long. 

Its just that simple- if tomorrow we have two batsmen averaging 65 in test cricket over 100 matches, it doesnt mean the '50+ average in tests = ATG' rule of thumb is null and void. It just means they were far more exceptional than the ATG crowd.

 

A few side notes: 1. I don't consider Wardle/Laker/Lock/Tayfield to be true greats because they didnt play enough test cricket. comparing 150-200 wickets with 400+ is a no contest. 

2. Underwood was not a spinner. He was a slow bowler. Those bowlers are dead in cricket these days. The last one we saw i believe was Hansie Cronje. Underwood bowled with spinners grip, pacers grip, etc., not a spinner per se.

 

We are not comparing 400+  wicket  spinners with these but Prasanna , Doshi, Gupte, Chandra and Bedi ..... who took   189,  114,  149,  242 and 266 wickets respectively....highly comparable with  Laker and co..

 

Even Chandra wasn't a stereotypical spinner. Some even say that about Kumble, though to a lesser extent.  Underwood was not like Cronje.

Edited September 25, 2016 by express bowling

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

We are not comparing 400+  wicket  spinners with these but Prasanna , Doshi, Gupte, Chandra and Bedi ..... who took   189,  114,  149,  242 and 266 wickets respectively....highly comparable with  Laker and co..

 

Even Chandra wasn't a stereotypical spinner. Some even say that about Kumble, though to a lesser extent.  Underwood was not like Cronje.

Ok fair enough regarding Laker-Lock-Tayfield, etc. But in this regard, the Guptes, Bedis, Chandras, etc. suffered far more than any of those spinners, due to complete lack of pacers. When spinners come on/open the bowling and the scoreline is 60-70/1 they are far less effective vs the scenario of coming on with the score looking like 50/3. We should know this from years of watching Kumble-Harbhajan toil vs seeing numerous times Warne getting freebies because McGrath-Gillespie/McGrath-Lee/McGrath-Fleming terrorized the batting order into submission.

What we will find general consensus amongst, is that ALL these guys belong in the Spinners hall of fame and are ATG spinners. Their averages, including those of modern spinners of ATG pedigree- such as Kumble, Swann, Saqlain,etc. and wicket-taking abilities are in the ATG category.

Sure, you can argue that Murali & Warne were significantly better than these guys, but it would be ignoring the fact that Murali & Warne can be considered significantly better than any other spinners and the other spinners may still be considered ATGs. In the same way how Bradman, Tendulkar, Sobers, Viv,Gavaskar, Lara are considered 'clearly better' than other ATGs like Steve Waugh,Border,Dravid, Chappell, Miandad, etc. 
It doesnt affect the fact that Steve Waughs, Miandads, Chappels, Dravid, etc. are also one-in-a-million batsmen. 

 

Anyways, this is not a comparison between the spinners, we can argue whether Prasanna/Gupte/Chandrasekhar/Bedi are greater/lesser than Lock/Laker/Tayfield somewhere else.

This is about the composition of an Indian All-time team.

I can see your point of playing 3 pacers on green-tops, but its not so easy in my mind:in that scenario, I'd prefer the 6 batsmen + Kapil + Keeper + 3 bowlers strategy. Because Indian batting order is likely to be less consistent overseas than at home and Kapil is not a true ATG batsman who can hold down specialist batting spot against true ATG bowlers, not without significant boost to the lower order batting.

If we went with a 5 bat + Kapil + Keeper + 4 bowlers strategy, I'd immediately slot in either Vinoo Mankad (and if future developments continue, Ashwin) as a 'specialist bowler who can add valuable lower order runs' allrounder. That has to, otherwise India is pooched the moment its 150/4. 

So now we have 3 slots left: well, we got to give one to Zaheer or Srinath, to partner Kapil. Lets say, Srinath, because he was a better pure pacer than Zaheer. 
So its now down to 2 spots. 

Kumble, is automatic. 

So now we are down to one spot. The contenders are Zaheer, Bedi, Prasanna, Gupte, Chandra. 

Lets consider this for a moment: overseas, their averages are:Zaheer(31.25),Gupte (31.31), Bedi (31.71), Prasanna (31.85), Chandra (31.81).

As you can see, their overseas averages leave very little to choose from in just numbers. If the argument is 'Zaheer had no support', um- spinners have zero support either. Because 4 spinners opening the bowling alongside Gavaskar, is far more restrictive to a spinner's effectiveness than how much a pacer is restricted in effectiveness if he is the only good pacer with zero support opening the bowling.

Because even with zero support, a pacer can still take 3-4 wickets in the opening burst far more regularly, across most pitches, than spinners regularly taking 3-4 wickets while opening the bowling. 

This is the main reason (spinners lack of effectiveness early in the match, over most pitches) why spinners in general have crappier averages than pacers in general.

So despite all that, the 4 spinners above, are near neck and neck with Zaheer overseas. 

Now bear in mind, that being a third pacer is not easy- its far easier to be the third spinner than it is to be the third pacer, because you don't ever begin with a new cherry or an old cherry that is going to start reversing. You are the fill-in guy. In this stage, Zaheer, in my mind, falls many,many places. Because Zaheer was very, very mediocre with the 'medium-old cherry, the 20-40 overs mark' and as such, was rarely used in such a position. This was obvious- because Zaheer did not get his wickets with sheer pace or bounce or commanding, choking, accuracy. he got them, with moving the ball around. So he is not a good choice to be the third pacer. So therefore, I'd pick a spinner, who's numbers realistically would only improve, when bowling behind Kapil-Srinath. 

However, in my mind, there is a clear gap between Srinath and Zaheer, with Srinath being better. Yes, Zaheer has better overseas stats, but what Zaheer utterly, totally, lacks, is career consistency. Of 15 years of playing Test cricket, Zaheer has only 4 years of averaging under 30. Only two of those years - 2010 & 2011- are back to back. Only 12 matches. For 11 years, he averaged over 30. Of which, 6 he averaged over 40!

Srinath on the other hand, has 7 years out of his 12 year career where he averaged under 30. 4 of those years- 1998-2001- came back to back.

And infact, if you take away his obvious decline from England home series 2001 and his first couple of series of learning curve, his stats are not bad at all : 49 matches, 197 wickets @ 27.91, 2.91 economy, 57.4 strike rate, 10 five-fers and 1 ten-fer in 89 innings. 

 

So all in all, if we go the 5 bat + Kapil + wicket-keeper + 4 bowlers option,overseas, my XI would look something like:

Gavaskar

Sehwag

Dravid

Tendulkar

Laxman/Hazare (i prefer Hazare)

Kapil

Mankad/Ashwin

Engineer/Kirmani

Kumble

Srinath

Gupte/Bedi/Prasanna/Chandra

 

Edited September 25, 2016 by Muloghonto

[BeautifulGame]

Where is Rohit Sharma? 

Coach perhaps?

He is too good to be a mere player for these XIs

[mancalledsting]

On 23 September 2016 at 4:45 PM, maniac said:

All Time Test X1

Sehwag,

Sunny,

Dravid,

Sachin,

Laxman,

Dhoni,

Kapil,

Kumble,

Zak,

Srinath,

Bedi

This