Muloghonto Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 2 hours ago, Finer said: Do you realize like time, and everything are also factor to ALL-POWERFUL GOD too? What do you think knowledge come from? Knowledge has to come from somewhere; source of seeking knowledge, be it science, boolean algebra,...etc. ALL-POWERFUL GOD doesn't have to lift finger, never mind ITSELF or clone ITSELF. That's how All-POWERFUL GOD is. Ultimately, the credit will go to ALL-POWERFUL GOD alone. If i clone myself, then credit goes to me, similarity i lift heavy machinery, then the credit goes to me. The beauty of ALL-POWERFUL GOD doesn't have to lift the finger judging by the size of multiverses which appears to be like the size of ant to us as multiverses is to ALL-POWERFUL GOD. What knowledge ? what you call knowledge, i call an interactive learning system (humans) tracking phenomenal parameters and storing it into memory for dynamic recollection. Give it 10-20 years and when we do create AI, your 'knowledge has to come from somewhere' will be shown as utter nonsense by practice. And how the heck is that answering my point that all-powerful is a flawed concept ? I provided deductive reasoning on why all-powerful is a flawed concept. Because certain relationships are mutually exclusive. Ability to influence one, by relationship and definition means inability to influence the other. You've proven no idea on how 'all-powerful' is even a valid concept to begin with. Quote We, human being cannot be due to restricted by small scope of physical strength and intellectual power. But ALL-POWERFUL GOD IS POWERFUL AND BEYOND. Care to calculate the size of multiverses that appears to ALL-POWERFUL GOD like the size of ant to us. Take a look at the designs of the multiverses meaning hundred and maybe million universes are out there created by ALL-POWERFUL GOD suggest how powerful ALL-POWERFUL GOD must be. We are yet to grasp the wonder of miracles that is restricted to the understanding on Earth, but we all know there is worlds out there; endless universes littered with galaxies and whatnot. That's proof of how powerful ALL-POWERFUL GOD is. We both cannot, but ALL-POWERFUL can. That is idea of GOD while we are human beings created by ALL-POWERFUL GOD. Its a sad thing that you religious people are so ignorant in mathematical philosophy. All powerful is an infinite representation. Sure, size of multiverse or whatever, can be a finite number. You can still be 'finitely powerful' and influence control over the entire multiverse, if the multiverse is finite. The 'look how complex the universe is, it must have a God' is the same level of argument as 'look at that comet, the Gods must've sent it coz they wanna tell us something'. All powerful means infinitely powerful. It means power over every single conceivable concept. Since there are concepts that are fundamentally 'EITHER/OR' concepts, therefore, all-powerful is an impossible concept. It sounds more confusing than it is, but is pretty simple, mathematically. Quote I do have proof and it is called logic reasoning backed by consistency of understanding. Whereas for your; it is weak premise with no consistency either. As for other books, please provide example regarding 'more than ONE OMNISCIENT BEING. I would love to read them. You need to re-learn the meaning of the word 'proof'. Proof is not logical reasoning, it is empiric evidence buddy. No empiric evidence of God. Zero. You have only deductive reasoning for God and a flawed one at that too. As for books- you should read the oracle of Delphi, where the term 'all-knowing' is applied to Zeus, Apollo and Athena as well. Same with Hindu cosmos, where Shiva, Vishnu, Saraswati, Brahma are all individually attested as all-knowing. Quote Honestly, I don't know what are you trying to say... Given our observant on Earth that only one king can be successful, otherwise two kings over the same city is chaos; disaster waiting to happen. You are gonna deny that point too even though that is based on the historical understanding on Earth as we have observed, and even today, as we plainly witness the power struggles in each lands fighting for the same outlet? All the religious scriptures prove that it is ONE ALL-POWERFUL GOD ONLY. That is consistency. The biggest proof that space is, to this day, very safe and peace. That is proof. You have religious scriptures to support consistency and you have space to support the hypothesis of ONE OMNISCIENT BEING only through the help of technology. Two omnipotent & omniscient entities are not equivalent to 'observant at Earth', because the requisite theoretical concept is not applicable to earth. Humans are not 'omnipotent and omniscient', so we contest. The logical point is, why would two entities who knew everything and had everything fight. Its like saying if God cloned itself, God must fight itself. Why ? The logical possibility of God's clone being superfluous is far greater, since God and God's clone have a huge probability of agreeing with each other non everything, as they have everything and know everything, so what is there to fight over ? No, not all religious scriptures prove one powerful God. Hinduism itself does not agree, which is why it is a PANTHEISTIC religion by definition: there are denominations of hindus who believe in actual 33 lakhs of Gods and sections who believe in one God and such. And Egyptian, Roman & Greek religions DEFINITIVELY believed in multiple Gods and not One God.
Muloghonto Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 42 minutes ago, Finer said: Your understanding of All-Powerful GOD is limited whereas the idea of space littered with multiverses after multiverses should give you clue that All-Powerful GOD is capable of anything. Cloning is just tip of the iceberg even though it is carbon copy - not real at all. First you have to prove that it wasn't ALL-POWERFUL GOD that created the size of space littered with multiverses after multiverses. Please no imagination as it serves no purpose. See. Straight up BS from religious nutters. What part of 'if a perfect God clones himself, he creates a perfect all powerful, all knowing God' don't you understand ? Its the DEFINITION of what a clone is. To put it bluntly, if Allah cloned himself, there would be two Allahs. Thats what CLONING means!! And secondly, you are a$$-backwards in science. You cannot prove something doesnt exist. You have to prove that all-powerful God exists. And on that count, Islam and every other religion is batting at 0. To show you how stupid your line of thought is, i can turn it on you and say 'prove that the all-powerful God is not a bowl of intelligent sphagetti spinning around in space'. I suggest you get an education, preferably in science and logic before you become so sure of what exists and what doesn't.
Muloghonto Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 38 minutes ago, Finer said: In the history of mankind, All the religions have been consistent with the same messages; almost similar. WORSHIP ONE ALL-POWERFUL GOD ONLY in different names in different languages. False. As i said, you know nothing about religions. The Greco-Roman pantheon did NOT accept one- God. There are plenty of HIndu holy books that doesnt accept one God. Jains don't even accept a God, did you know that ? Quote I am beginning to think you might have no clue about ALL-POWERFUL GOD given the massive space size littered with multiverses after multiverses. That is BIG HINT. That is the sort of thinking that made people 2000 years ago think comets were sent to us because Gods were pissed at us. Size of space-time and multiverse doesnt imply it has a creator. ' look how complex it is, it must have a creator' is not reasoning, its speculation. Quote That is proof, yet you deny it, and on the top of it, you call them ignorant. Now imagine from their perspective about you, they might be thinking the same about you. We have no control ourselves. There's the reason why we die. How we are born? We have no control. *sigh*. I will try again. All-powerful means INFINITE power. Infinite means everything is included in it. The proof, by induction, of infinity, is to find exception cases. For if you can find exception cases to infinity, its not infinite (it doesnt include everything) and only if you cannot find a single exception case, can you declare it infinite. Say there is an imperfect, created being who really does control the multiverse. Say the 'things it has to keep track of' is a number such as (10^50)^50^500000 ^5000000000 ^50000000. This is a number you cannot plug into a calculator, you'd need MATLAB or some math software to find this number. But it is STILL NOT INFINITE. Massively large # doesnt mean its infinite. And as i said, you cannot have infinite power, because God cannot make a rock so heavy he can't lift it. You cant have power over both aspects because its an inverse relation, therefore, infinite power cannot be held.
Muloghonto Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 45 minutes ago, Finer said: It is not mathematically confusing. It is ALL-POWERFUL GOD meaning ONE GOD. 1. You don't even have to calculate. Where does definition of all-powerful mean it is applicable to only 1 ? Are you saying that if i got a chance to talk to God and i said 'God, please make me all-powerful', God is going to tell me 'sorry, there cannot be more than 1 all-powerful being, so i don't have the power to make you all-powerful' ?? Quote Religions at the end is all about faith so we rely on logic reasoning with support basic of consistency. All the religions point out that WORSHIP TO ONE GOD ONLY. That is consistency. Take a look at peaceful and sound space littered with multiverses after multiverses. That has to be ONE POWERFUL GOD operating the worlds; not two. Since it is about leaping the faith, it is good that we have understanding on Earth which we can analyze for consistency and logic reasoning as our observation on Earth tells us that more than 2 kings tend to be disaster over the same land. Now that's logic reasoning backed by historical documents with credible sources. 1. Not all religions say worship one God. There is ZERO evidence of one God in Greco-Roman pantheon for example. Nowhere did the Greeks or Romans think Zeus or Jupiter is the all-powerful one. Infact, they did not believe in an all-powerful God to begin with, which is far more logical. 2. There is nothing about space-time continuum that suggests there is a God. Or just one of them. There is nothing stopping two Gods existing and they both sharing the load or one continuously back-patting the other in agreement. The fact that you equate God with king shows that God is a man-made concept for Islam. That is why you are attributing qualities of man to God. Quote It is applicable to earth because your understanding is based on what you have acquired on Earth. The knowledge you have based on the understanding what you have acquired on Earth. Out there, it is beyond our understanding. My understanding is not limited to what is acquired on earth. There is nothing infinite on earth, yet we understand infinity. Quote Forget clone for a time being. Focus on the logic reasoning and consistency. Even though clone is carbon copy which is soul-free just as if technology advances enough to clone us, they are just carbon copy with no soul; basically dead end. Hence the term clone. It is useless. Our clones cannot operate like us, similarity clone of ALL-POWERFUL GOD cannot either. All the religious scriptures point out to ALL-POWERFUL GOD. Space littered with multiverses after multiverses in sound with peace should give idea that it cannot be two ALL-POWERFUL GOD. Whereas for your; it boils down to imagination with no consistency. Sure, it sounds great for debate, but again, it serves no purpose. Let's focus on logical reasoning with support basic of consistency. Now what gives you clue that it is more two than OMNISCIENCE BEINGS? There is no such thing as soul. Or if there is, it is part of the cloning process. We've cloned sheep and the clone behaves identically as the original. So sheep have no soul !? And yes, our clone will operate like us, just like the cloned sheep operates just like un-cloned sheep. As to answer your question, there is no clue to a single omniscient being existing, let alone more than one. My point is, there is nothing stopping me from believing there is more than 1 omniscient being, if i choose to believe the concept of omniscient being. Quote It doesn't matter what hindus believe. It only matters why Holy Scriptures say. Like Bhagvad Gita for hindu, it promotes Monotheism meaning WORSHIP TO ONE ALL-POWERFUL GOD ONLY. As for rest, i don't mind quote a two. Coming back to unanswered question about how did an illiterate man know about moon split into half 1400 years ago with no technology back then? About moon split into half which has been confirmed after 1400 years later with the help of technology. The bhagavata Gita is not the only book of the hindus. The Vedas too are and there are vedas who do not acknowledge a single, all-powerful God. Coming back to your illiterate man question- well, how did the authors of the Veda know that stars are just like our sun, only further away- something no Christian, Muslim or Jewish sources confirm ? Its called lucky guesses. Mohamed is not the only illiterate to guess something obvious. FYI, my cousin sister also guessed the moon is from the earth at the age of 9. On a hunter's moon (where you can see the moon much clearer than a normal full moon), she asked me if the moon is made of earth stuff because 'it looks like rocks and sand up there'. As i said, if illiterate Mohamed had been able to quote the value of Pi up to 100 decimal places, or regurgitate a 3rd order differential equation, i'd agree that this is Godly knowledge. Nothing in the Koran is, it is the same type of double-talk you get at Palmistry and other BS peddler's tents.
Muloghonto Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, Finer said: But you are sign of creation. It doesn't matter whatever you ask for. At the end, you are still sign of creation which suggests there is ALL-POWERFUL CREATOR out there that created you. You, me, clone, and everything in the worlds begets the proof of ALL-POWERFUL CREATOR. There is no evidence we are created. You say sign of creation. I say sign of random chance. And i have far more evidence for random chance than you have for creator. My point is simple- do you agree or not that God can create an all-powerful, all-knowing being if he/she/it wanted to ? Quote All religions endorse Monotheism practice meaning WORSHIP TO ONE GOD ONLY. It is different to what people actually do. That being said, i am still waiting for a quote or two to back your points. That is not how evidence works. You are the one making a claim, you have to supply evidence. I said that there is not a SINGLE evidence of all-powerful God in Greco-Roman religions. As such, if you think there is, show us the proof. What quote you want- 'something is missing' cannot be proved by 'quote that something is missing'....you can present evidence of existence, not of non-existence. You think Greco-Roman pantheon had belief in one God ? prove it. Quote All of them are the signs of creation which suggests there is GOD aka CREATOR. No, they are not signs of any creation. The same stone-age men thought that comets are signs from God, the same way you think the universe is sign of God's existence. It isn't. Quote God sends messages through Avatars, Prophets, Messengers, Agents, and you name it. I am not attributing man-man concept to God, rather i am attributing the wonder miracles of Multiverses and everything it as dedicate to ALL-POWERFUL CREATOR But as i showed you, all-powerful cannot exist. Quote You don't. We don't either. Why? We haven't gone beyond Earth. Although, we are yet to scour every lands in Earth, never mind the space out there. SO you mean to say that infinity as a concept is not understood by mankind ? Sorry, but as i said, get an education. I can point out several math books that deal specifically with infinity only, showing we understand a concept that is not based on 'what is available on earth'. Quote Cloned sheep? We all could use some examples, concrete evidence if you will. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_(sheep) There you go. Quote No, they don't. That's why they are called clones. Even today, Japanese technology hasn't perfected yet, and still require A.I coded from human beings. You do not know definition of clone then. I will help you: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clone If God existed, therefore, God could make a perfect clone of himself, aka a second identical God. Its basic logic. Quote It doesn't matter whether what you believe, but what you can prove. Yep. Since you cannot prove God exists, i don't believe in it. Proof is empirical evidence. Not 'this universe is so complex, it must have a God' That is not proof, that is speculation. Proof is a set of empiric facts. I can prove the sun exists. You cannot prove that God exists. Quote Even vedas endorses Monotheism practice meaning WORSHIP TO ONE GOD ONLY. That's why i am asking for quotes to back your points. So far, none. The Vedas have evidence of one God and many God, which is why Hinduism is defined as a pantheistic faith. It is not a monotheistic faith. Quote It is not lucky guess especially from the illiterate people with little knowledge to none, and certainly not fluke either. They had knowledge documented on religious scriptures following Bhagvad Gita, Holy Quran, Vedas, Bible, Torah and many religious scriptures out there. But your example is childish, undocumented, and full of air. Again, imaginary tale in action. It is a lucky guess, which is what every successful charlatan has. None of these religious documents have any decisive empiric evidence of divine origin. Just a few nebulous things. As i said, your example is that of charlatans. Why did God not include the value of Pi to the 1000th decimal point ? Why no differential equation , which would be 1000 years before its time and evidence of divinity ? Because there is no God and what these books preach are charlatan snake oil stuff. Quote Mathematics has very strong vibe in Holy Quran lettered in numerical orders with veiled hints as per verse in Holy QUran. Feel free to research Holy Quran. It is all mathematics waiting to be decoded. Yet the Koran can't even add properly. If you check the verse that talks about dividing inheritance by who is owed what part, the sum of all fractions is greater than 1, which means mohammed was illiterate and a fail in math. Like i said, Varahamhira, Aryabhatta or Galen & archimedes display more math than your God through the Koran or any other holy book. Why is that ? Why does the Koran not have any math in it comparable to Issac Newton's Principia Mathematica ? Because it is not a book from God and its from illiterates who cannot speak in quantified mathematical terms.
Muloghonto Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 Mods, please can you chop this thread in half and make this whole God delusion part a new thread ? It has nothing to do with the examples.
panther Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 On 10/15/2016 at 10:07 PM, Muloghonto said: If God clones himself, then his clone and him have identical powers. And once the cloning process is complete, the clone is just as real as God. Bhagavad Gita, along with all other religious books, were written by stone-age/iron-age men with very little actual knowledge. This is why as Nietzche (a 19th century philosopher) shows us, 'all powerful' is impossible. Because there are certain phenomenal relationships that are linked by 'either/or' relations. Ie, control over one gives up control over another and control over both is impossible, because they are inverse relations. A perfect example is, 'can God make a mountain so heavy he himself cannot lift it'. This is an 'OR' relationship between the two phenomena and you cannot exert control over both aspects. This is why 'all powerful' is just wishful and ignorant thinking. Nothing can be all-powerful. The idea of 'one God' exists simply as a simplification process. Because if you acknowledge multiple omniscient beings, then you have to describe the relationship between them (their interaction) and it quickly shows us that 'all powerful/uncreated' is just straight-up logical nonsense. Because as i've demonstrated through this thread and our Islamist friend here has bowed out without providing a counter (for a counter doesnt exist logically), there is nothing in the definition of 'all powerful/all knowing' that makes it applicable to only ONE being. The same way the bible/Koran/Gita describes 'all powerful/all knowing' can be applied to dozens of entities simultaneously, without violating the principle of all-powerful and all-knowing as defined by these religions. A counter wasn't befitting to a guy who thinks created beings can be all powerful. Finer 1
Muloghonto Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 8 minutes ago, panther said: A counter wasn't befitting to a guy who thinks created beings can be all powerful. Perhaps then you can explain why god doesnt have the power to perfectly clone himself and still is 'all powerful' mishra 1
Muloghonto Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) Bas. No jawaab from our resident 'almost apex feline but not good enough' aka Panther... Go ask mullah my question.Awaiting answer (if mullah can come up with answer..which i doubt). Edited October 16, 2016 by Muloghonto
panther Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 24 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Perhaps then you can explain why god doesnt have the power to perfectly clone himself and still is 'all powerful' Is omnipotence a possible attribute, can it be created? Omnipotence is about creating other than omnipotence.
Muloghonto Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 26 minutes ago, panther said: Is omnipotence a possible attribute, can it be created? Omnipotence is about creating other than omnipotence. but omnipotence means you can also create omnipotence. otherwise you are not omnipotent. So answer my question instead of dodging it : If i ask God to make me omnipotent, is it within God's powers to make me omnipotent or is it something outside of God's power ?
panther Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 15 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: but omnipotence means you can also create omnipotence. otherwise you are not omnipotent. So answer my question instead of dodging it : If i ask God to make me omnipotent, is it within God's powers to make me omnipotent or is it something outside of God's power ? Omnipotence means the ability to create other than omnipotence. If you asked God to make you Omnipotent, that is impossible simply because omnipotence is not a created ability, God was always omnipotent, he did not acquire this ability. Finer 1
Muloghonto Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 3 hours ago, panther said: Omnipotence means the ability to create other than omnipotence. If you asked God to make you Omnipotent, that is impossible simply because omnipotence is not a created ability, God was always omnipotent, he did not acquire this ability. So God is unable to make me omnipotent even if God wants to make me omnipotent ? ps: your definition of omnipotence is wrong. Omnipotent means you have the power to do anything.
MechEng Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 What amuses me about God from monotheistic faiths is that he's into boring stuff like taking a deep interest in people's personal lives and judging them every instant from a realm which is meant to be eternal and infinitely wonderful. Makes me wonder that heaven is not as awesome as it is made out to be. beetle 1
Muloghonto Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) On 10/16/2016 at 11:04 PM, Finer said: You are sign of creation. No question about it whether you believe it or not. There is no such proof for that. I could also be sign of random chance. Actually, evidence for random chance is stronger than external agency creating us. Quote ALL-POWERFUL CREATOR can but you cannot. If all-powerful creator can create an all-powerful being, then all-powerful can be created. Therefore, you can have an all-powerful God that was created. Therefore, don;t say 'the proof sure of God being uncreated, is that he is all-powerful'. I just demonstrated, that all-powerful can be created. *edit* : Ergo, if all-powerful beings can be created then it means there can be more than one: What if God decided to make 2 clones of itself ? It is possible. So if it is possible, then it is also possible for multiple all-powerful beings to exist, if you wish to believe 'all-powerful' as a concept in the first place. Thus, the idea that 'there can be only one, all-powerful God' is proven to be false. There can be multiple, all-powerful beings, logically speaking. Your argument that 'well, he is still the original God' is true, but irrelevant for all theoretical & practical purposes,Since the definition of a perfect clone of a perfect God (originally created by this perfect clone) means the moment the clone is created, there are two all-powerful, all-knowing Gods. Its the equivalent of having an original Ms-Word document and creating a copy of it: in all facets, it (in this case God) are all exact same in every conceivable manner of physical & theoretical representation. Quote Evidences relies on the investigation if concrete evidence is not available. Since nobody saw A CREATOR so it boils to faith coupled with logic reasoning with support basic of consistency. Similarity your whole premise is based on leap of faith. So why should i believe you without evidence if even though your is hardly coupled with logic reasoning with support basic of consistency? I am still waiting for a quote or two for your roman theory. You have to prove it too since i already did in my previous posts which you ignored as the forum is witness to that NO, thats not how evidence works. You don't find guilt of criminality on 'faith and logical reasoning supporting basic consistency'. They go by evidence. If there is no evidence, then there is no evidence. And again, i say, you cannot prove 'something is missing'. You can prove something exits, by quoting evidence of its existence. You said all religions have single-God concept. I said, you will not find a SINGLE EVIDENCE in Pre-Christian Roman/Greek/Egyptian religions of a single God. None, nada, zilch. There is no book, no mention, no Christians calling 'a Pagan one God of the Romans/Greeks/Egyptians', etc. Therefore, until you come up with evidence that Romans mention worship of a one-God that is not Christian God, your claim is FALSE. Quote You didn't. That's problem. You still can't. You are sign of creation, and that alone is proof enough that there is ALL-POWERFUL CREATOR out there. Whether you believe it or not, that is your problem alone. I did. because i proved that power over everything is impossible. If you claim something is all-powerful, you need to prove that something can have power over everything. I just proved to you, you cannot have power over everything, that is logically impossible. Therefore, all-powerful cannot exist, either. I am no sign of creation. I am sign of i exist. There is no evidence that i was created. Quote Wikipedia? Duly noticed. What is next? Youtube with some personal video with effects? Anyhow, you didn't prove that clone did happen, and by clone, that is without AI. I am talking about cloning with real souls, not AI. And real source, not wikipedia which happen to be public domain with access level to edit available to you and everyone. You want a medical quote about dolly ? Here you go: http://www-plb.ucdavis.edu/courses/bis/2a/bis2a-f10/CloningDolly.pdf Next time, don't be so lazy. As for AI- what is this AI business ? I just proved to you that we, humans, cloned a living, breathing sheep. Sheep have souls according to your mullah, go ask him. We cloned a full sheep. If we can clone a living, breathing sheep, then your perfect God, can create a perfect copy of himself by cloning himself. Quote It appears you don't understand the definition of clone. Maybe this dictionary could enlighten you. A clone means a copy. A perfect being who makes perfect work, makes a perfect copy of himself, if he chooses to copy himself. As i said, basic logic. You muslims are like 1500 years behind Christians in terms of theology & religious philosophy. As i said, learn from them- they atleast know WTF they are talking about when they talk about God, you muslims lack the very basics of understanding what 'perfect, all-knowing' etc even means. Quote Then prove it. No more talk. Just prove it. Prove what ? https://www.britannica.com/topic/Samkhya There you go. A known, practiced school of Hinduism, practiced by millions, which denies existence of God, since Samkhya believes in the male & female spirit dominating everything. As such, Hinduism is pantheistic, because definition of pantheism is a faith that accepts monotheism, dualism, polytheism, etc. Quote I already gave theory coupled with logic reasoning along with support basic of consistency throughout the history of mankind. At the end, it is your call whether you believe it or not. Your example is wrong, since there is no evidence whatsoever that before Christianity, Romans, Greeks and Egyptians believed in one God, I gave you evidence that Hinduism is pantheistic. Therefore, there is no consistency of 'one God' in human history. And if you've been around here long enough, people will tell you- don't argue history with me. Quote It is lucky guess for illiterate man who made call on moon split into half which has taken more than 1400 years later with the help of technology to prove whereas you are know it all judging by your imaginary tales without logic reasoning with support basic of consistency. Yet you cannot wait to keep asking questions which indicates your IQ is restricted to earth only. Perhaps you are not ready to learn about beyond the earth. Lucky guess and vague words of a charlatan. Just like the palmistry guys, other religious hacks, etc. they all talk in the same obscure ways. Like i said, if Mohammed had God's knowledge, we'd have some concrete mathematical evidence. Like something comparable to what mathematicians would consider solid, unbelievable math knowledge. As of now, Fermat's last theorem is winning over the Koran in terms of 'which has more unexplainable, but correct, math'. Says a lot about the Koran, lol. On 10/19/2016 at 8:49 PM, MechEng said: What amuses me about God from monotheistic faiths is that he's into boring stuff like taking a deep interest in people's personal lives and judging them every instant from a realm which is meant to be eternal and infinitely wonderful. Makes me wonder that heaven is not as awesome as it is made out to be. Because that is the boring God of desert savages who were not civilized, claiming people who hallucinate and have seizures were getting messages from God. There is a reason why the arabs and jews 2000 years ago were seen as the Taliban are seen now : illiterate, backwards and fanatical morons. 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Mariyam Posted October 23, 2016 Posted October 23, 2016 On 10/20/2016 at 9:19 AM, MechEng said: What amuses me about God from monotheistic faiths is that he's into boring stuff like taking a deep interest in people's personal lives and judging them every instant from a realm which is meant to be eternal and infinitely wonderful. Makes me wonder that heaven is not as awesome as it is made out to be. Reminds me of a gem by Nietzsche “I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time" beetle and Muloghonto 2
Yoda-esque Posted October 24, 2016 Posted October 24, 2016 Who created the creator? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk SLICKR392 1
panther Posted October 24, 2016 Posted October 24, 2016 20 hours ago, Mariyam said: Reminds me of a gem by Nietzsche “I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time" And he existed before He created anyone of us, He does not need our praise, but is we who need his mercy.
Muloghonto Posted October 24, 2016 Posted October 24, 2016 3 hours ago, panther said: And he existed before He created anyone of us, He does not need our praise, but is we who need his mercy. Sure. But as i proved with logic, your 'God': a) Cannot be omnipotent, since omnipotence is impossible b) there is no evidence whatsoever that there is : i) any evidence for existence of God ii) any evidence that there can be be only one God and not mutiple Gods.
panther Posted October 24, 2016 Posted October 24, 2016 45 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Sure. But as i proved with logic, your 'God': a) Cannot be omnipotent, since omnipotence is impossible b) there is no evidence whatsoever that there is : i) any evidence for existence of God ii) any evidence that there can be be only one God and not mutiple Gods. omnipotence is impossible for created beings, God is uncreated and has always been omnipotent. It's a matter of faith regarding point b. Last point, there is only one god because anything created can not be god.
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