Should Allow All Women In Sabarimala Temple, Kerala Tells Supreme Court

[coffee_rules]

21 minutes ago, dial_100 said:

off-topic comment. I didnt know iggy was such a good feature of this forum. 

But you do see replies. Not good. It should work like Twitter blocks where you can't even see the replied.

[dial_100]

4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

But you do see replies. Not good. It should work like Twitter blocks where you can't even see the replied.

i feel content with small things. more the better but what i have is enuff. 

[Muloghonto]

41 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Mind-science is not about Psychology/Psychiatry. Basic 101. Read about how western mind-scientists learnt the craft from yogis in India in the 60s and have digested it with their invented nomenclature.

Mind science *IS* psychology, psychiatry and pure biology.Anyone who says otherwise, is saying pure bakwaas. 

And so what they learnt the nomenclatures and frameworks from others ? They learnt it, they improved upon it 1000 folds and now we know how the brain and mind works 1000x more than your half-literate rishis thousands of years ago. 

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Search for Vipassana and how it is appropriated into what they call as Mindfulness etc. with some mumbo-jumbo modern words. I don't have the time to spare for you to cut and paste. These were thought about more than 2000 years ago. 

i used to be a practicing buddhist. So i know the concept. Still doesn't change the fact that what we know today via science, about the mind, is 1000x more than those half-literate rishi-munis did. 

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This is like arguing present day high school students know more than Galileo or Newton. BS. It is called learning what is already known, while we are talking about who pioneered the knowledge. Thinking was initiated by Indian civilization. Go figure!

Yes, they do know more than Galileo and Newton. Newton and Galeleo were great minds, just like those rishi and munis, but the fact remains that their knowledge is less than what a science grad possesses in their little finger. Therefore, they are not fit to instruct us or lead us. Simple logic. 

As the saying goes ' knowledge is power'. Not ' brilliance is power'. You could be a brilliant illiterate (just like those muni-rishis) and you have nothing to offer. You could be someone not so smart but with entire encyclopedia memorized and you have a lot to offer. Kids today have more knowledge than those self-declared sages. Simple. 

 

LOL at thinking being initiated by indian civilization. Such insecure nonsense belongs in the dustbin. You need to learn history more if you think we invented how to 'think'. 

Edited September 19, 2018 by Muloghonto

[coffee_rules]

3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Mind science *IS* psychology, psychiatry and pure biology.Anyone who says otherwise, is saying pure bakwaas. 

And so what they learnt the nomenclatures and frameworks from others ? They learnt it, they improved upon it 1000 folds and now we know how the brain and mind works 1000x more than your half-literate rishis thousands of years ago. 

i used to be a practicing buddhist. So i know the concept. Still doesn't change the fact that what we know today via science, about the mind, is 1000x more than those half-literate rishi-munis did. 

Yes, they do know more than Galileo and Newton. Newton and Galeleo were great minds, just like those rishi and munis, but the fact remains that their knowledge is less than what a science grad possesses in their little finger. Therefore, they are not fit to instruct us or lead us. Simple logic. 

As the saying goes ' knowledge is power'. Not ' brilliance is power'. You could be a brilliant illiterate (just like those muni-rishis) and you have nothing to offer. You could be someone not so smart but with entire encyclopedia memorized and you have a lot to offer. Kids today have more knowledge than those self-declared sages. Simple. 

 

LOL at thinking being initiated by indian civilization. Such insecure nonsense belongs in the dustbin. You need to learn history more if you think we invented how to 'think'. 

Yes, when meditation/mind exercises were practiced by rishi-munis 5000 years ago while others were killing each other for wealth/food in other parts of the world, is evidence enough that Indian civilization was advanced. Sanskrit was the first language to be built for 'rasa', Epics Ramayana and Mahabharata are Maha Kavyas full of 'rasa'. Just because it is not relevant anymore, you can go about claiming modern day kids are better than Valmiki/Vyas!  Your history is influenced with western thought and those of victors only, so it is not credible anymore. Become Decolonized first .

 

What is this logic , present day kids >>> Innovators of medieval period. They know more because of continuous advancement of knowledge they had pioneered. If old days innovators had such education and training, they would be the present day stephen hawkings and pioneers of today.

 

 

 

[rkt.india]

20 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Well i am firmly for the government running everything that is a public space and public property. Religion is no exemption- the government is ultimate authority in charge of running a land, creating its laws and dispensing justice. Religion falls under those categories. 

Then it won't stay secular anymore.

[dial_100]

Government should do everything. You just find a bride and get married .... thats it. Government should do the rest. 

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Then it won't stay secular anymore.

Ofcourse it will, if the government treats them all equally and does not let them interfere in the government. That is the more standard and common definition of 'secularism'. The indian style is psuedo-secularism (ultimate pandering, on paper, to all religions by the govt.):it is definitely violating the seperation of church and state axiom of secularism. 

[Muloghonto]

10 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Yes, when meditation/mind exercises were practiced by rishi-munis 5000 years ago while others were killing each other for wealth/food in other parts of the world, is evidence enough that Indian civilization was advanced.

That does not mean Indians invented how to think, as you claimed. Mesopotamians were also plenty advanced. So were the Greeks. Oh and Indians never stopped killing each other for wealth and food either pretty much right until the British conquered ALL of India. That much, is objective, archeological and historical fact.

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Sanskrit was the first language to be built for 'rasa', Epics Ramayana and Mahabharata are Maha Kavyas full of 'rasa'.

The first language to have epic tales, is Sumerian, the language in which Epic of Gilgamesh is recorded. 

If you mean Sanskrit is the first engineered language - its true for classical, Panini Sanskrit that is somewhere in the 800BC-400BC range. Prior to that, aka Vedic Sanskrit, is not one of 'Rasa' at all. Its another Indo-European language. So far, what we can tell from its structure, its atleast the second-oldest of all Indo-European languages ( Nesite, aka Hittite, has an older/more archaic form to it) in its 'Vedic' form. 

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Just because it is not relevant anymore, you can go about claiming modern day kids are better than Valmiki/Vyas! 

Modern day kids know more about their own existence, their own body, the universe, etc. than Valmiki or Vyas. Authors who's books are used to 'recommend to us' how to live our lives should know more than the kids of today, don't you agree ? 

 

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Your history is influenced with western thought and those of victors only, so it is not credible anymore. Become Decolonized first .

Pffft. You don't know enough history to comment on my level of history. I have the classic misfortune of being an 'Indian biassed history buff' to the largely ignorant history folks in the west as well as being the 'Firangi Lutyen' to the Chaddi idiots back home like yourself. 

India, is an underrated civilization- that is true. But India is not the inventor of thinking.
 

As far as Indian history is concerned, the best way to know you are on the right track is when you piss off the RSS types as well as the die-hard anti-indian racists out here like Witzel.

 

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What is this logic , present day kids >>> Innovators of medieval period.

 

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They know more because of continuous advancement of knowledge they had pioneered. If old days innovators had such education and training, they would be the present day stephen hawkings and pioneers of today.

In terms of knowledge, yes. Its knowledge that leads to the correct conclusion - decisively. Give enough knowledge to a monkey and the monkey will make the right call eventually. Deny knowledge to even some of the most brilliant and they will believe in nonsense. 

This is pretty much testable in lab condition. 

 

What is also an empiric fact is the technological, scientific and existential knowledge of species homo sapiens is getting greater and greater with time. With the most educated population in history of mankind (as a % of mankind that is educated), we are at a point, where our kids know more about where the universe comes from, what we are made of, what species homo sapiens IS- than Valmiki, Vyaas, Mohammed and such.

 

  A good, objective measure of blind reverence to an idea being out-dated, is when the author of the idea has less empiric evidence about what he/she is talking of, than most of the kids of a much later time. 

 

So we should pay no attention to what their ignorant extrapolations were about 'life'. If they bumbled upon a greater truth, because they were smarter than the rest, despite being far less educated than our kids, yay- congrats.

I am sure if i knew the name of the dude who first figured out how to make a fire, I'd think he is a pretty freaking smart guy and deserves rememberence. 

People telling us how to live our lives and what is true/not true about the universe from 1000s of years ago, fall in that category.

 

I will happily admit, they were some of the smartest, brightest minds of their time. But they are also lilliputs in actual knowledge today. So i have less reason to listen to their extrapolations, than those of far better educated and equally smart people of modern times. 

Just like how Valmiki and Vyas were much, much more advanced than the guy who invented fire and wouldn't think much of this guy's (or the spiritual guru of his times for eg) idea of 'existence', Valmiki, Vyas etc. are at that level to us. 

Edited September 20, 2018 by Muloghonto

[coffee_rules]

7 hours ago, dial_100 said:

Government should do everything. You just find a bride and get married .... thats it. Government should do the rest. 

Because individuals are incapable while the government with western influenced documented rules (constitution) will do everything.

[dial_100]

5 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Because individuals are incapable while the government with western influenced documented rules (constitution) will do everything.

unbelievable. Isnt it?

[Muloghonto]

5 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Because individuals are incapable while the government with western influenced documented rules (constitution) will do everything.

western influenced, eastern influenced or northern influenced is all irrelevant red herring. An idea either stands on its own merit or is dismissed due to its flaws. Doesnt matter what part of the world it comes from. 

If you profess to be Hindu, try believing in the concept of Vasudeva Kutumbakam, instead of warping hinduism as a cheaper, less effective copy of Islam (which is what the Sanghis really do).


PS: Facts show us that the highest standards of living for a society are accomplished by societies that allow personal freedom with a lot of social responsibilities and programs, such as many EU countries. Get on with the program, bud.

Edited September 20, 2018 by Muloghonto

[Tibarn]

Does anyone have a spare bulldozer I could borrow? #AskingForAFriend

[coffee_rules]

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

western influenced, eastern influenced or northern influenced is all irrelevant red herring. An idea either stands on its own merit or is dismissed due to its flaws. Doesnt matter what part of the world it comes from. 

If you profess to be Hindu, try believing in the concept of Vasudeva Kutumbakam, instead of warping hinduism as a cheaper, less effective copy of Islam (which is what the Sanghis really do).


PS: Facts show us that the highest standards of living for a society are accomplished by societies that allow personal freedom with a lot of social responsibilities and programs, such as many EU countries. Get on with the program, bud.

Ok, guruji.

It is Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam, it is incorrectly referenced to mean a pacifist world family by Modi/Nehru and the idiots from the left.  In the original panchatantra story, it hass the opposite meaning. When the deer was trying to make friends with the fox, the intelligent bird says a "Vasudaiva Kutumbakam" shloka/hithopadesha and warns the deer not to think that the whole world world is your family, else the fox will kill you. 

 

India was much richer in the Gupta empire/Vijayanagara Empire, and it has been reduced to 1/3 it's original land. If we don't protect our heritage/traditions, we will become part of museums in the west , like what they have done to some "pagan" communities. 
 

[Moochad]

19 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

It is Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam, it is incorrectly referenced to mean a pacifist world family by Modi/Nehru and the idiots from the left.  In the original panchatantra story, it hass the opposite meaning. When the deer was trying to make friends with the fox, the intelligent bird says a "Vasudaiva Kutumbakam" shloka/hithopadesha and warns the deer not to think that the whole world world is your family, else the fox will kill you. 

Well said, it's weird how the complete opposite of the meaning of the story is spread.

[Tibarn]

28 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

PS: Facts show us that the highest standards of living for a society are accomplished by societies that allow personal freedom with a lot of social responsibilities and programs, such as many EU countries. Get on with the program, bud

This is a clear myth. 

 

The highest living standards are in countries with the freest economies. Even ME countries with low personal freedom have large economies. There is zero evidence that personal freedom = living standards. 

 

This is further proven by the fact that Europe has been the leader of living standards for the last several hundred years despite the concept of personal freedom, in the  "modern" European context of the word, existing for less than half a century in most places. 

[coffee_rules]

5 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

This is a clear myth. 

 

The highest living standards are in countries with the freest economies. Even ME countries with low personal freedom have large economies. There is zero evidence that personal freedom = living standards. 

 

This is further proven by the fact that Europe has been the leader of living standards for the last several hundred years despite the concept of personal freedom, in the  "modern" European context of the word, existing for less than half a century in most places. 

Yes, the myth is western economic policies is the only way to personal wealth growth, when the global western economy came down crashing in 2008, other countries started to feel, aping the west is not the best way to go about. 

 

p.s: You included the wrong person, I didn't quote that.

[Tibarn]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Yes, the myth is western economic policies is the only way to personal wealth growth, when the global western economy came down crashing in 2008, other countries started to feel, aping the west is not the best way to go about. 

 

p.s: You included the wrong person, I didn't quote that.

My bad, I saw that part in the post and quoted it but it sent the notification to you some reason...

 

 

Edited September 20, 2018 by Tibarn

[Muloghonto]

10 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Ok, guruji.

It is Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam, it is incorrectly referenced to mean a pacifist world family by Modi/Nehru and the idiots from the left.  In the original panchatantra story, it hass the opposite meaning. When the deer was trying to make friends with the fox, the intelligent bird says a "Vasudaiva Kutumbakam" shloka/hithopadesha and warns the deer not to think that the whole world world is your family, else the fox will kill you. 

 

India was much richer in the Gupta empire/Vijayanagara Empire, and it has been reduced to 1/3 it's original land. If we don't protect our heritage/traditions, we will become part of museums in the west , like what they have done to some "pagan" communities. 
 

1/3rd its original land ?! Where did you ever get that number from ?

Only three political entities based in South Asia were EVER bigger than Republic of India : Mauryan Empire, Mughal Empire from Shah Jahan-Aurangzeb and British India. 

 

Oh and another thing: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasudhaiva_Kutumbakam

 

PS: Its a matter of time before ALL religious hocus pocus becomes part of history and museum only. Those ideals are far too antiquated and made by far too inferior knowledge-based people to survive much into the future. 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

9 hours ago, Tibarn said:

This is a clear myth. 

 

The highest living standards are in countries with the freest economies. Even ME countries with low personal freedom have large economies. There is zero evidence that personal freedom = living standards. 

 

This is further proven by the fact that Europe has been the leader of living standards for the last several hundred years despite the concept of personal freedom, in the  "modern" European context of the word, existing for less than half a century in most places. 

Standards of living is not just Per capita income. Its GINI coefficient, wealth distribution, access to education, services, etc. as well.

You'd rather be a rich or a poor guy in Germany than in UAE: unlike in UAE, you end up with public funded healthcare, education, infrastructure, social welfare etc. As well as having greater creation of wealth. 

 

As for modern european concept or not, Europe has had the highest level of property & personal rights enforced, compared to ANYWHERE in the world, for the last 1000-odd years. Even in medieval times, despite king of England conquering parts of France or vice versa, the properties of the people were far more secure, protected etc. than anywhere else. 

 

Western Europe succeeded for a 1000 years, where India and China failed after just a couple of hundred years : from the end of Viking invasion till start of WWII, Western Europe hardly ever saw cities being razed, properties being seized by the conquerors, disposessing the conquered, etc. Indians have been razing their rivals cities since pretty much the fall of the original Magadh Empire ( Kanva Dynasty), where we find mention of the Guptas, Palas, Rashtrakutas, Cholas, Gurjaras, etc all razing cities and China had its periodic collapse every 150-300 years after each major dynastic collapse. 

Europe by 1700s had 3-4x the literate population than India or China. This is the main reason - Europeans being much, much nicer to each others civillians in warfare and property rights - that is the KEY to Europe giving us the modern age and their sum total accomplishment of the last 500 years- in every field- being orders of magnitude greater than that of the sum total of much older civilizations like India or China or West Asia. 

[Muloghonto]

10 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Yes, the myth is western economic policies is the only way to personal wealth growth, when the global western economy came down crashing in 2008, other countries started to feel, aping the west is not the best way to go about. 

 

p.s: You included the wrong person, I didn't quote that.

Get over your inferiority complex. The simple truth is, Europe's contribution to practically every technological,scientific, economic and philosophical field over the last 500 years is much, much greater than the entirity of Indian or Chinese history. Its not even close, its like comparing a termite to an elephant. 

Accepting this does not make us any less proud of our history. If the world's proudest and most honor-driven culture, the Bushido based Japanese culture could learn that during Meiji restoration, so can anyone else. And just as Japan's acceptance of reality has gotten them to western standards of living and yet preserved their culture, so can we. 

 

We owe the modern life we live, to European culture. That, is an undeniable fact and credit should be given where credit is due. They did all this, because they preserved their knowledge and property rights far better than India or China ever has.