Supreme Court removes Thakur, Shirke from top BCCI posts

[Vilander]

19 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

It was fine when Srini Mama was running Indian cricket from Chennai?

So the problem is basically because Srini mama ran cricket from not mumbai.

[BeautifulGame]

The more entrenched the officials get, the greater the temptation, and the opportunities, to bend and shape rules to one's convenience. In Niranjan Shah's case, the whispers hit close to home when his son, Jaydev, a batsman of modest talent, was first appointed Saurashtra's Ranji captain and then, in last year's IPL auction, picked up by the new local franchise Gujarat Lions for Rs 20 lakh ($29,000 approx). Just for context, the franchise passed up the option to sign Cheteshwar Pujara. Jaydev is also, for good measure, a member of the SCA's governing body.

Averages 28 with the bat and 92 with the ball.Yet captain of Saurashtra team .

Of course just a sheer coincidence that his father is Sourashtra president for more than 40 years .

No wonder these boards are so against one vote per state.

[BeautifulGame]

If one actually looks at the results, one can see:

2012 London Olympics

Team v t e	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts
Netherlands	5	5	0	0	18	7	+11	15
Germany	5	3	1	1	14	11	+3	10
Belgium	5	2	1	2	8	7	+1	7
South Korea	5	2	0	3	9	8	+1	6
New Zealand	5	1	2	2	10	14	−4	5
India	5	0	0	5	6	18	−12	0

 

2016 Rio Olympics:

Group B[edit]

Pos	Team v t e	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts	Qualification
1	Germany	5	4	1	0	17	10	+7	13	Quarter-finals
2	Netherlands	5	3	1	1	18	6	+12	10
3	Argentina	5	2	2	1	14	12	+2	8
4	India	5	2	1	2	9	9	0	7
5	Ireland	5	1	0	4	10	16	−6	3
6	Canada	5	0	1	4	7	22	−15	1

 

 

Hmmm... It looks like we got more wins(and draws), more goals scored, and less goals against. The team lost to the Silver medalists in the QF. It looks like the team did indeed improve.

 

 

If u were just referring of how performed based on then yes we improved .But then so did we in last Olympics (compared to the one before) without winning a single game.

I thought you were referring to actual expectation if so then it was awful.

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

Averages 28 with the bat and 92 with the ball.Yet captain of Saurashtra team .

Of course just a sheer coincidence that his father is Sourashtra president for more than 40 years .

No wonder these boards are so against one vote per state.

How does a nepotism example somehow justify disenfranchising cricket associations that have contributed to Indian cricket for decades? So because Saurashtra association does this, it makes sense to strip Mumbai Cricket of its current rights.  Besides, why should political grouping such as states determine association votes in a cricket federation?  

 

I'm not claiming that the existing structure was good or fair, but two wrongs do not make a right.  If the argument is that Manipur did not get adequate representation or resources, by all means extend those to Manipur and other deserving areas.  It does not have to be a zero sum game, and robbing Peter to pay Paul, in the name of self-righteous reform.  

[Vilander]

On 1/2/2017 at 1:52 AM, Cricketics said:

Yes, I am disappointed that it did not work out between him and the committee. I was looking forward to him helping USA cricket and bringing more cricket here like they did earlier against West Indies. He seemed to be the guy who reminded me of a better version of Lalit Modi.

 

 

it really did look like it, but we will never know now.

[Vilander]

18 hours ago, gattaca said:

Lodha committee was formed to punish individuals like Srini son in law and outline reform so this doesn't happen. Spot fixing in IPL kicked this off. Spot fixing showed nexus between administrators and bookies. Don't know if other sports had similar issues and also cricket has more exposure in media as well.

Srinis son in law -- involved in betting where he lost 60 lakhs. He did not involve himself in spot fixing.

[mancalledsting]

http://m.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/34997.html

 

Absolutely disgusting to see cases like this in the  modern age...what type of a country are we? If SC is sincere about ridding Indian cricket of above then I back them 100%. 

[Cricketics]

6 minutes ago, Vilander said:

it really did look like it, but we will never know now.

As  I have said before, BCCi being the first target of the government is very suspicious. Looks like some govt. officials are jealous and too focused only on a rich board.

 

I mean look at it this way. We all know BCCI is not perfect, but to see the committee so worried about one board over other boards who are running their respective sports in the country in the most miserable way possible is what makes the whole situation more interesting.

 

I mean suspicions have to be raised when government decides to help rich and the not so needy over beggers. Here the beggers are Indian Tennis associations, Hockey and that group is lead by Indian Olympic associations etc. The only difference with these beggers are that they do not want much attention as they worry too much about their "dhanda" being exposed. Until Lodha committee does not do anythig to other associations, this move will look like government officials being gold diggers. 

[Vilander]

5 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

http://m.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/34997.html

 

Absolutely disgusting to see cases like this in the  modern age...what type of a country are we? If SC is sincere about ridding Indian cricket of above then I back them 100%. 

nepotism is ripe..thats true.

[BeautifulGame]

8 hours ago, sandeep said:

How does a nepotism example somehow justify disenfranchising cricket associations that have contributed to Indian cricket for decades? So because Saurashtra association does this, it makes sense to strip Mumbai Cricket of its current rights.  Besides, why should political grouping such as states determine association votes in a cricket federation?  

 

I'm not claiming that the existing structure was good or fair, but two wrongs do not make a right.  If the argument is that Manipur did not get adequate representation or resources, by all means extend those to Manipur and other deserving areas.  It does not have to be a zero sum game, and robbing Peter to pay Paul, in the name of self-righteous reform.  

What disenfranchising ? They only won't have voting rights .They will still have their Ranji teams.

Why should Mumbai even have 2 votes in the first place when Maharashtra already has one .On what logic is even that acceptable?

Who is robbing Mumbai? Or how does it gets robbed ?

 

Edit:

 

This is only one well known case.Not the only one ,these state associations are full of corruption and Nepotism.One of the major reason is the same persons are infesting the positions of power in these boards for decades.Thats why are so scared of complying with SC orders and getting audited.

 

Why would one be surprised when the BCCI president appointed himself selector to select himself in the team.

Edited January 4, 2017 by BeautifulGame

[BeautifulGame]

16 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

The BCCI gives money to state associations to run academies.State associations run academies in state capital and districts.They further give out money to member clubs to run their academies.

No they dont.I am not sure you are understanding the difference between coaching academies and clubs .

 

 

[BeautifulGame]

 

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In a previous hearing on December 15, the court had said there was enough evidence to lay a charge of perjury against Thakur.

 

According to the court, Thakur had tried to "solicit" such a letter from Manohar during the ICC Governance Review Committee meeting held in Dubai on August 6 and 7, 2016. Thakur, the court said, was attempting to "thwart" the implementation of the recommendations. "An attempt was made to build up a record to indicate that implementing the orders of the Supreme Court of India would run the risk of endangering the status of BCCI as a member of ICC."

 

In an affidavit last December, Thakur had told the court he had asked Manohar, who was BCCI president between October 2015 and May 2016, if he thought having a CAG official on the Apex Council could "invoke an action of suspension" from the ICC. Thakur said he asked Manohar during the Dubai meeting whether he could issue a letter of clarification.

The court asked the Lodha Committee to seek clarification from Manohar too. The ICC chairman told the committee in an email on November 2 that he had declined to offer Thakur any letter.  

 

"The conduct of the President of BCCI in seeking a letter from the President of ICC in August 2016, after the final judgment and Order of this Court, is nothing but an attempt on the part of the head of BCCI to evade complying, with the Order of this Court," the order read. "We are constrained to note that there was absolutely no occasion for the President of BCCI to solicit any such clarification from the Chairperson of ICC in the teeth of the judgment that was delivered by this Court."

 

According to the court, it had "adequate" reasons to doubt the veracity of the sequence of events narrated by Thakur. To emphasise its point, the court highlighted the affidavit signed by Ratnakar Shetty, BCCI's administration and game development manager, and presented to the court on October 7, 2016, in response to a status report of the Lodha Committee.

 

Shetty's affidavit had stated that Thakur never sought a letter from the ICC. But during a subsequent hearing, the BCCI submitted in court minutes of a working committee meeting held on August 22, which noted that Manohar had been asked for a letter.

 

The court took a serious view of this variance. "Prima facie it would appear that these minutes had not seen the light of the day when the response by Mr Shetty to the status report of the Committee was filed, and have been fabricated subsequently to lend credence to the version of Mr Thakur. The statement that Mr Manohar was requested to clarify the position which he had taken as BCCI President is falsified by Mr Manohar's disclosure that he was asked to give a letter in his capacity as ICC Chairman."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/1075176.html

 

Looks like Thakur is under serious trouble.

[Lannister]

One vote per state it is. All Ranji teams should also be based on state representations. That way only quality players will make into their teams and there's something for viewers to look forward too. There's no buzz about current domestic tournaments among fans either. Tells you a lot about BCCI and their poor administration. 

[renjith]

Talks about using lodha panel recommendations as a template for all national sports federations in india has already started:

 

http://www.indiatimes.com/sports/as-lodha-panel-starts-clean-up-of-bcci-is-it-time-to-do-the-same-in-other-sports-268697.html

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/lodha-type-recommendations-must-for-other-sports-kirti-azad-1634003

Edited January 4, 2017 by renjith

[Malcolm Merlyn]

No they dont.I am not sure you are understanding the difference between coaching academies and clubs .

 

 

What do you mean by they dont.They dont because you say they dont?

I know what is a club and what is a academy.Clubs have their own academies.Clubs receive money from state associations.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Talks about using lodha panel recommendations as a template for all national sports federations in india has already started:

 

http://www.indiatimes.com/sports/as-lodha-panel-starts-clean-up-of-bcci-is-it-time-to-do-the-same-in-other-sports-268697.html

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/lodha-type-recommendations-must-for-other-sports-kirti-azad-1634003

The uniform sports code legislation will be lot better than Lodha committee with lot less stupidity.

[BeautifulGame]

What do you mean by they dont.They dont because you say they dont?

I know what is a club and what is a academy.Clubs have their own academies.Clubs receive money from state associations.

If so please post the links to the details of the academies and the qualified coaches working there .

[Malcolm Merlyn]

If so please post the links to the details of the academies and the qualified coaches working there .

Are you being insane here?Post list of all the academies and their coaches.LOLfer.

My own club runs an academy and receives money from CAB as its a CAB member.There are 100 plus such clubs.This is the BCCI hierachy.

[Mariyam]

20 hours ago, mishra said:

Exactly. No one is questioning or no PIL in case of IOA which appointed proven corrupt like Chautala and Kalmadi.

The SC of India is a busy entity. It is not going to take a suo motto cognizance or react to a PIL for every organization out there. Only when the stakes are high and there are many shareholders affected.

 

If there is a break-in in a chawl in Mahim and 40,000 Rs worth of jewelry is stolen, the Police Commissioner is not going to lead the investigation.

[Mariyam]

2 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

The uniform sports code legislation will be lot better than Lodha committee with lot less stupidity.

The only bad recommendation of the Lodha committee report is they want the BCCI to fall under the ambit of the RTI. The rest of the stuff is reasonable, me thinks.