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This is a list of realistically available options in OP  and not a wishlist.  Players who are being ignored by selectors, I have not counted as realistic backups.  Players whom we don't like but are there have been considered.

 

 

TESTS IN ASIA

 

Openers -

 

1)  Rahul

2) Vijay

 

Dhawan

Mukund

Parthiv

 

 

Upper-middle order -

 

3) Pujara

4) Kohli

5) Rahane

 

Rohit

Nair

Dhawan ( could be used in the middle-order as well )

 

 

Keeper 

 

7) Saha

 

Parthiv

 

 

Spinner-Allrounders -

 

6) Ashwin

9) Jadeja

 

Jayant Yadav

Axar

 

 

Pacer-All-rounder

 

8) Hardik

 

No-backup

 

 

Spinners -

 

Kuldeep

Nadeem

 

 

Pacers -

 

10) Shami

11) Umesh

 

Bhuvi

Ishant

Bumrah

Shardul

 

 

 

 

 

TESTS out-of  ASIA

 

Openers -

 

1)  Rahul

2) Vijay

 

Dhawan

Mukund

 

 

Upper-middle order -

 

3) Pujara

4) Kohli

5) Rahane

 

Rohit

Nair

Dhawan ( could be used in the middle-order as well )

Not happy with any of these back-ups while touring outside Asia... our A-team cupboard for test batsmen look bare too

 

 

Keeper 

 

7) Saha

 

Parthiv

 

 

Spinner-Allrounders -

 

6) Ashwin

 

Jadeja

Jayant Yadav

 

 

 

Pacer-All-rounder

 

8) Hardik

 

No-backup

 

 

 

Spinners -

 

Kuldeep

 

 

 

Pacers -

 

9) Bhuvi

10) Shami

11) Umesh

 

 

Ishant

Bumrah

Shardul

 

 

 

 

 

ODIs

 

Openers -

 

1)  Rohit

2)  Dhawan

 

Rahane

Rahul

 

 

Upper-middle order -

 

3) Kohli

4) Rahul

 

Pandey

Iyer

Karthick

 

 

Keeper-batsman

 

5) Dhoni

 

Karthick

Pant

 

 

High SR batsmen - allrounders / finishers  -

 

6) Jadhav

7) Hardik

 

No proper backups

 

Potentially

Krunal

Shankar

 

 

 

Spinner-Allrounders -

 

8) Jadeja

 

Axar

 

 

 

Spinners -

 

9) Kuldeep

 

Ashwin

Chahal

 

 

 

Pacers -

 

10) Bhuvi

11) Bumrah

 

 

Shami ( He is a top ODI bowler but it is better to rest him for ODIs and use him for test matches only )

Shardul

Umesh

 

Potentially

Thampi

Siraj

 

 

 

So, we have no proper reserve players for

 

1)  Middle-order batters for outside-Asia test matches

2)  Pacer-all-rounder in tests

3)  High SR batters-allrounders/ finishers who will bat at No.6 and No.7 in ODIs.

 

These issues need to be addressed.  How to do it ?   Your views on this.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Yes, currently it would be hard to find a like for like replacement with an equal or even marginally diminished calibre for practically all the batting slots. Worse, I feel that Vijay has his best years past him and we may be looking for an opener soon. Kohli's manlove for Dhawan makes him an automatic choice but he is clearly not equipped for this role outside the subcontinent. 

 

On the other hand, if Iyer sorts out his consistency issues, and Prithvi has a stellar domestic season, we would have some cushion. I practically cannot think of any other promising bat at this stage.

Prithvi is just 17. Not much first class experience. Knowing kohli he won't be in team for 3-4 years in near future atleast even if we assume he is performing quite good.

An in-form Dhawan would score anywhere except for swinging conditions (if present) in England or NZ. An out and out swing/seam friendly conditions are rare to find even in tests nowadays. Rest places he will manage. Last time he failed in SA but if he gets a chance in SA this time he might do good. In-form is the key word here though.

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What options do we have if one among Rahane, Kohli or Pujara are not available in one of our away test series or even one test match  ?

 

-- One option is to open with Vijay and Dhawan and use Rahul in the middle order. 

-- Nair is a walking wicket when playing on seamer-friendly surfaces.

-- Rohit .... well, what can I say .... has improved a bit in the last home test season but does not inspire confidence against disciplined pacers.

--  No new batsman who catches the eye in FC or A tours.... who looks capable of handling seamers.

-- iyer showed some grit against the touring Australian side in India in a practice match. Scored a 200+.... but still not comfortable against seamers in 5-day matches.  He needs to be given special attention and developed.

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1 hour ago, kubrickian said:

I think Mohammad Siraj is quite close to getting selected for national side. 

Siraj is a big talent, can bowl upto 145 k, is skiddy, has a good bouncer, can swing and seam the ball, keeps attacking the off-stump ( a big plus ), can get some balls to rear from length, has a knack of picking wickets.

 

But is still not fully ready as he loses steam in his later spells and loses control if attacked.    Needs one more FC season  to make him ready. Rushing him might hamper his development.

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7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

What options do we have if one among Rahane, Kohli or Pujara are not available in one of our away test series or even one test match  ?

 

-- One option is to open with Vijay and Dhawan and use Rahul in the middle order. 

-- Nair is a walking wicket when playing on seamer-friendly surfaces.

-- Rohit .... well, what can I say .... has improved a bit in the last home test season but does not inspire confidence against disciplined pacers.

--  No new batsman who catches the eye in FC or A tours.... who looks capable of handling seamers.

-- iyer showed some grit against the touring Australian side in India in a practice match. Scored a 200+.... but still not comfortable against seamers in 5-day matches.  He needs to be given special attention and developed.

Vijay Shankar, Manish Pandey

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3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Vijay Shankar, Manish Pandey

I want to see how the both of them bat in seamer-friendly conditions in 4-day matches.

 

Shankar had an opportunity to showcase this, was batting on 26 but got injured.... did not bat in the 2nd innings, might miss the next match.   I know very little about how he tackles short balls or off-stump deliveries from seamers.

 

Pandey is a batsman with an unorthodox technique but a good temperament. Played a knock of 77 in Australia in a 4-day game.... would like to see him bat too in seam-friendly conditions.

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9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Siraj is a big talent, can bowl upto 145 k, is skiddy, has a good bouncer, can swing and seam the ball, keeps attacking the off-stump ( a big plus ), can get some balls to rear from length, has a knack of picking wickets.

 

But is still not fully ready as he loses steam in his later spells and loses control if attacked.    Needs one more FC season  to make him ready. Rushing him might hamper his development.

Still better than what we currently have. Its not like we have Steyn or Mitch Johnson in our current lineup or reserves.

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4 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

Still better than what we currently have. Its not like we have Steyn or Mitch Johnson in our current lineup or reserves.

 

All our 5 current pacers are " more ready bowlers "  than the current-day Siraj.

 

Shami is a better bowler than Johnson.   No team has a bowler like Steyn.

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1 hour ago, kubrickian said:

:hmmm: Not sure if serious.

Why  ?

 

Johnson depended on pace and bounce and did well primarily on the fast and bouncy tracks of Australia and South Africa.

 

In tests, he performed very poorly in Asia , was below par in England and  hardly played in NZ.

 

If a bowler has not been able to do well in adverse conditions, after completing his career, it is difficult to rate him very highly.

 

If Shami completes his career with similar results,  people won't rate him very highly either..... but, with his skill level, that seems highly unlikely.

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Iyer is back up middle order batsman

 

 

Yes we need to look for backup batsman in middle order 

Rohit - he ll be eternal struggling

Nair- Is quite loose. Still feels he needs to be backed as much as possible. Rohit ko bhi 10 saal kiya hai

Iyer- i think would struggle in seaming conditions 

Dhawan- not convinced with him being a middle order player as his game against spin is not that gr8

 

 

 

If pujara doesnt come good overseas time, we are in trouble specially looking at the backups

 

Odi's 

 

Fast bowling backup-

Sran has to be there.

Rajpooot IMO can be really good ODI bowler im not sure why selectors ignore him specially for A team ODI's

Siraj n Thampy still need an year or so 

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