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26 minutes ago, renjith said:

players mature by playing first class cricket. first class cricket is much more than just a selection criteria for test team. consistent performance in 2 consicutive fc seasons is a good criteria for even odi team. atleast 1 season is a must. it is a good criteria for the quality of a player.

there are always exceptions.

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On 30/01/2018 at 7:33 AM, maniac said:

You are just going in circles...didn’t i say he was the real deal? 

 

But you cannot select someone directly based on u-19 performance.

 

I agree he needs to be fast tracked....I don’t believe in this bs of playing 2 full fc seasons etc but still need to see what he can do against international experienced bowlers be it IPL or A team. Where am I not being able to get through to you? 

Ya nowadays IPL is there, India A matches are there abroad. No need of 2 yrs first class matches

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Failed again today 

 

give the kids from under 19 a break they not quite ready yet . No need to fast track when our senior team is so bloody good . For me those days are gone 

 

all should play a season of pro cricket and go on at least one away A tour . Then we see . For all these lads from gill to shaw let’s see next September , then maybe one maybe ready 

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2 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

Failed again today 

 

give the kids from under 19 a break they not quite ready yet . No need to fast track when our senior team is so bloody good . For me those days are gone 

 

all should play a season of pro cricket and go on at least one away A tour . Then we see . For all these lads from gill to shaw let’s see next September , then maybe one maybe ready 

so you think he is going to succeed in every game. No player can do well in every game.

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

After the ongoing VH Trophy is over, Gill will complete 2 seasons of domestic List A cricket, where he is averaging 40.7 with a SR of 86 before today, and has scored 2 centuries.

 

He is not a complete rookie in the 50-over format.

He should replace Rahane 

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3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

so you think he is going to succeed in every game. No player can do well in every game.

Never said that . But if very very inconsistent in domestic cricket why think would do it international level . Why not pick another lad who delivering consistently ?

 

why not wait a while till gill doing it more regularly ? Why rush him before ready ?

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4 failures in five innings from a batsman who had it all too easy in club standard 'world cup'. Apparently domestic cricket would not pose much of a 'challenge' for this punjabi superstar where his talent would go to 'waste'. Time to induct him in Team India already?

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On 2/13/2018 at 2:08 AM, express bowling said:

After the ongoing VH Trophy is over, Gill will complete 2 seasons of domestic List A cricket, where he is averaging 40.7 with a SR of 86 before today, and has scored 2 centuries.

 

He is not a complete rookie in the 50-over format.

His ListA career average is 35.33 and SR is nearly 83. It is just not bad and is not in the "good" category yet to be inducted into the seniors category. Can be tried in A teams from now and if he does well then taken into the main team... which is likely to be after WC 19 now. 

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12 minutes ago, sarcastic said:

His ListA career average is 35.33 and SR is nearly 83.

 

It was 40.7  and 86  two games earlier, which changed after two failures.  Happens all the time with small samples.

 

12 minutes ago, sarcastic said:

It is just not bad and is not in the "good" category yet to be inducted into the seniors category. Can be tried in A teams from now and if he does well then taken into the main team... which is likely to be after WC 19 now. 

 

It is immaterial how good his List A stats are.  These series are almost like A-team games.

 

He won't play against stronger sides.

 

My post just pointed to the fact that Gill is completing 2 List A seasons.

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30 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

It was 40.7  and 86  two games earlier, which changed after two failures.  Happens all the time with small samples.

 

 

It is immaterial how good his List A stats are.  These series are almost like A-team games.

 

He won't play against stronger sides.

 

My post just pointed to the fact that Gill is completing 2 List A seasons.

Sure, I am not denying he should not be given more opportunities or drafted in India A etc. He needs to be in the selectors radar but let him perform more consistently. Let him gain more experience and his stats will automatically stabilize at a point where we can assess how good he is. 

 

Just feel that he is not that good to be in seniors team yet as some people are clamouring here.. 

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12 minutes ago, sarcastic said:

Sure, I am not denying he should not be given more opportunities or drafted in India A etc. He needs to be in the selectors radar but let him perform more consistently. Let him gain more experience and his stats will automatically stabilize at a point where we can assess how good he is. 

Just feel that he is not that good to be in seniors team yet as some people are clamouring here.. 

 

 

With no domestic matches around for the next 6 months,  I feel that we should not play the full senior team against SL, WI, Bangladesh.... and use them for  developing young players.

 

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Gill found it tough going even against domestic bowlers. In fact, since Shaw was demoted from the opening position to No.3, he has been doing better.

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Settling in a new team , getting to know team players can take some time. He has not played consistently enough with these players. All these failures can only help him in long run. The reason everyone is rooting for him is that he has such a great attitude, humble guy and of course has very good technique to go along with all this. You will see him playing for India and succeeding. 

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46 minutes ago, kooljatt said:

Settling in a new team , getting to know team players can take some time. He has not played consistently enough with these players. All these failures can only help him in long run. The reason everyone is rooting for him is that he has such a great attitude, humble guy and of course has very good technique to go along with all this. You will see him playing for India and succeeding. 

Agree . No one is saying he won’t make it , has excellent chance . Just saying right now silly to say should play for india . Needs time in domestics and A tours . Could need maybe one year or 5 years , time will tell 

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Like Virat when he was 18/19, Gill has the raw talent. After the 2019 WC, he needs to become Virat's understudy at #4 (eventually to take over the #3 slot after Virat is done) so that he gains experience for the 2023 WC. 

 

Has the potential to be India's next batting superstar. Inconsistency and failure is part of the learning curve so he needs to go through this phase.    

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2 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

But no guarantee will ever make it . Can list plenty of under 19 World Cup superstars and never made it . Classic examples is unmukt chand 

 

but let’s be hopeful and give the lad time . 

Very true but Chand was acting like a big shot after the 2012 u-19 WC. Guy released a book and was trying to pass himself off as some sort of great thinker of the game at the precious age of 19 despite doing nowt at senior level.  

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5 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

But no guarantee will ever make it . Can list plenty of under 19 World Cup superstars and never made it . Classic examples is unmukt chand 

 

but let’s be hopeful and give the lad time . 

I think Gill will go farther than Chand. For one thing his basic technique looks good. He has good work ethic like Kohli. Also Yuvraj is giving all the encouragement for him to blossom. It is upto him to go from here. 

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6 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

Agree . No one is saying he won’t make it , has excellent chance . Just saying right now silly to say should play for india . Needs time in domestics and A tours . Could need maybe one year or 5 years , time will tell 

Kohli made his ODI debut within 6 months after his U19 WC heroics and Kohli was not even as good as Gill at that level. Gill has an average of around 100 in U19 ODIs. we need to do same with Gill, at least against weaker teams when we do not have any FC games. next ranji season will be in October, so, instead of letting him sit around, we should pick and let him play in the nets against our quality fast bowler and spinners. He will certainly benefit when he faces them and might play some games too against weaker sides and when FC season starts, he should be back playing FC games.  

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5 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

But no guarantee will ever make it . Can list plenty of under 19 World Cup superstars and never made it . Classic examples is unmukt chand 

 

but let’s be hopeful and give the lad time . 

Regarding Umukt, he never debuted for India. Who knows his selection quickly after U19 WC had hastened his progress because some players can stagnate or even regress if they keep playing lower grade cricket.

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24 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Kohli made his ODI debut within 6 months after his U19 WC heroics and Kohli was not even as good as Gill at that level. Gill has an average of around 100 in U19 ODIs. we need to do same with Gill, at least against weaker teams when we do not have any FC games. next ranji season will be in October, so, instead of letting him sit around, we should pick and let him play in the nets against our quality fast bowler and spinners. He will certainly benefit when he faces them and might play some games too against weaker sides and when FC season starts, he should be back playing FC games.  

True. I cant explain But some look ready for bigger stage before smaller stage. Letting everyone  slog through the same process would jeopardize our chances of unearthing our future batting superstar. It is not like we have pelthora of batting stars  hogging our batting line up. Probably this is the weakest middle order we have ever had in one day internationals.  It is almost like we won't lose anything  by giving him a chance or two against weaker teams. 

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17 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

True. I cant explain But some look ready for bigger stage before smaller stage. Letting everyone  slog through the same process would jeopardize our chances of unearthing our future batting superstar. It is not like we have pelthora of batting stars  hogging our batting line up. Probably this is the weakest middle order we have ever had in one day internationals.  It is almost like we won't lose anything  by giving him a chance or two against weaker teams. 

Absolutely. And also it's not like we give a free pass to team India for every u19 star.its only the exceptionally bright ones for whom the exceptions can be made and rightly so.

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After all the hype, here he is with the big boys...

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8737/scorecard/1118798/india-a-vs-karnataka--deodhar-trophy-2017-18

Shubman Gill c Deshpande b Gopal 25 (22) 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8737/scorecard/1118796/india-a-vs-india-b--deodhar-trophy-2017-18

Shubman Gill c Tiwary b Yadav 5 (3)

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

After all the hype, here he is with the big boys...

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8737/scorecard/1118798/india-a-vs-karnataka--deodhar-trophy-2017-18

Shubman Gill c Deshpande b Gopal 25 (22) 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8737/scorecard/1118796/india-a-vs-india-b--deodhar-trophy-2017-18

Shubman Gill c Tiwary b Yadav 5 (3)

 

 

 

he was batting like a dream in that 25/22 balls, got out to a rubbish half tracker from Gopal, hit straight to the fielder.

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4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

After all the hype, here he is with the big boys...

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8737/scorecard/1118798/india-a-vs-karnataka--deodhar-trophy-2017-18

Shubman Gill c Deshpande b Gopal 25 (22) 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8737/scorecard/1118796/india-a-vs-india-b--deodhar-trophy-2017-18

Shubman Gill c Tiwary b Yadav 5 (3)

 

 

 

He was looking very good. Timing the ball well. Even the ball he got out to was timed well. These are no big boys. He is definitely the next Kohli. His shot execution is shockingly similar to Kohli. He just needs the hunger of Kohli. He will go places. 

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1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

He was looking very good. Timing the ball well. Even the ball he got out to was timed well. These are no big boys. He is definitely the next Kohli. His shot execution is shockingly similar to Kohli. He just needs the hunger of Kohli. He will go places. 

Even Kohli got lots of 20' and 30's at early stage of his career...

Lots of fixing needs to be done by Gill but he belongs to big boys

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13 hours ago, rkt.india said:

he was batting like a dream in that 25/22 balls, got out to a rubbish half tracker from Gopal, hit straight to the fielder.

there are too many players who bat like a dream for pretty 20s and 30s. needs to kick on. in both knocks, he got out trying to over-dominate the bowling.

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Bump. Anyway we can throw him in at 5? Bound to be better than Raina atleast. Our youngest batsman in the team is a whopping 26 years old and we need a bit more youthful exuberance. No need to give him the test cap so soon. But we have debuted batsmen very young in the past . SRT,Ganguly,Yuvraj,Kaif,Sehwag,Kohli, Rohit, Raina all made their debuts when they were 20 or less in ODI's . Sometimes these exceptionally talented guys can dramatically increase their learning curve by playing international cricket. He can always go back to domestic if he fails initially.

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Just now, Nikhil_cric said:

Bump. Anyway we can throw him in at 5? Bound to be better than Raina atleast. Our youngest batsman in the team is a whopping 26 years old and we need a bit more youthful exuberance. No need to give him the test cap so soon. But we have debuted batsmen very young in the past . SRT,Ganguly,Yuvraj,Kaif,Sehwag,Kohli, Rohit, Raina all made their debuts when they were 20 or less in ODI's . Sometimes these exceptionally talented guys can dramatically increase their learning curve by playing international cricket. He can always go back to domestic if he fails initially.

Another place where Dhoni has had a negative influence on our cricket. We've stopped being a young team under him, he'd rather play oldies or his best mates (at CSK) than give chances to deserving youngsters. Kohli is also doing the same, where's the new players replacing the old guard? If it weren't for Kumble there'd be no Kuldeep today, Kohli by doing his idiotic tap dance (playing Dhoni or Sharma, in tests) is destroying the future of Indian cricket. The talent pool we have will be utterly wasted by the time some of these guys retire, if they retire :yousuck:

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6 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Another place where Dhoni has had a negative influence on our cricket. We've stopped being a young team under him, he'd rather play oldies or his best mates (at CSK) than give chances to deserving youngsters. Kohli is also doing the same, where's the new players replacing the old guard? If it weren't for Kumble there'd be no Kuldeep today, Kohli by doing his idiotic tap dance (playing Dhoni or Sharma, in tests) is destroying the future of Indian cricket. The talent pool we have will be utterly wasted by the time some of these guys retire, if they retire :yousuck:

TBH Dhoni used to give chances to youngsters a lot unlike Kohli's love for TTF

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