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It’s amazing that Mainstream Media is completely mum on these atrocities on women by Christian religious figures.

 

Even the bleeding heart, otherwise vocal liberals & feminists have hid themselves on these issue

 

WHY? So aren’t they hypocrites and agenda driven? Are they any different from the so called fascists?

 

Why shouldn’t people hate these double standard people and organisations?

 

If any Hindu priest been involved in any of these, imagine the outrage... even Pakistanis would’ve joined to preach Hindus...

 

And then they wonder why Hindus are becoming more intolerant.. Why not? Have they taken a Global Contract to be goody goody, gentle, humane & secular community surrounded by rampaging minorities in India and enemies all around India to teach Hindus a lesson?

 

And why not India be polled most dangerous nation for women if all these minorities doing atrocities against them and not been exposed by MSM or Liberals or Feminists...

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Sexual attacks within churches in Kerala going on for decades and investigations being suppressed same time by Christian groups and state government 

Right.... I mean Left...

So where are the Left Liberals, Feminists, MSM & Human Rights activists?

This isn’t whataboutery... Its a serious issue...

Why there are no Prime Time discussion on this?

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Absolutely disgusting. The church & their missionaries are making their presence felt in entire tribal belt since decades. Whole lot of money is poured into these institutions through NGOs to convert gullible tribals which is  sickening.

People who hold the positions of secretary & treasurer in these churches in various districts have done land grabbing , bribed govt authorities & those who stand against them are threatened with dire consequences.

For example- NWGEL (North Western Gossner Evangelical Lutheran) churches mushroomed in Nepal, WB, CG,MP, Bihar, Jharkhand, Odisha in less than 40 years & many of these church members have been involved in criminal activities. People like ex-CM Ajit Jogi provide them with political patronage because all of them are his vote bank.

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3 hours ago, surajmal said:

Because most liberandus are actually cryptos. Dig around a little and you will see. India is literally an apartheid state. 

That has been true.. Heard lot of rumours about Rajdeep turning a crypto. 

 

Also check this how the blatant violation of rules in the heart of Bangalore goes unreported in most of the mainstream media.. The residents protest has no takers. Imagine the plight in smaller cities 

https://www.deccanherald.com/city/church-creating-problems-679197.html

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The residents complain that as the number of people visiting the FGAG church at the Defence Colony is increasing over the years. However, no proper arrangements have been made, neither to accommodate the traffic nor to clear the garbage accumulated in the area. People park vehicles indiscriminately on the road. And more importantly, they block the road by placing barricades during prayers on Sundays. This is absolutely against the rule of the land, as they are disturbing the civic activity.

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/city/church-creating-problems-679197.html

 

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How many so called “liberals” & “feminists” have posted in this topic, leave alone prime time debates in MSM...

 

Sorry, you guys are hypocrites, dishonest & agenda driven.

 

Do not ever try to come and preach the RW.

 

RW are much better than you hypocrites...

 

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@asterix bhai can you merge the recent Arunachal thread over here? That too is church related with huge ramifications in the North East. If thread merging doesn't fall under mod's jurisdiction it's fine...I'll post future developments related to this topic on this thread. 

 

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1 hour ago, asterix said:

How many so called “liberals” & “feminists” have posted in this topic, leave alone prime time debates in MSM...

 

Sorry, you guys are hypocrites, dishonest & agenda driven.

 

Do not ever try to come and preach the RW.

 

RW are much better than you hypocrites...

 

This tweet by True Indology is apt

https://twitter.com/TrueIndology/status/1013253953436278784 

 

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28 minutes ago, Gollum said:

@asterix bhai can you merge the recent Arunachal thread over here? That too is church related with huge ramifications in the North East. If thread merging doesn't fall under mod's jurisdiction it's fine...I'll post future developments related to this topic on this thread. 

 

lolwut?! Point of no return was crossed in North east 3 decades ago demographics wise. Now its a matter of seeing which death cult wins out in the end. Infact now that I think about it, BJP maybe playing some long term chanakiyan move by letting abrahamics ingress into the north east more and more. They may have already concluded that its best to deal with who ever comes out on top in a few decades. 

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Islamic brutality in medieval ages is still not whitewashed completely. Agenda driven NCERT books have tried their level best to glorify that period (with tremendous success if I may add) but via other avenues the history of the greatest genocide in human history has been kept alive in the minds of kafirs. But that isn't the case with Christians..aisa lagta hai ki maano unhone yahaan kuch galat kaam kiya hi nahi. Forget aam aadmi, I bet most well educated/informed ICFers wouldn't have heard about the Goa inquisition. When I was studying in Goa my observation was that locals took great pride in their Portugese connection, I have had frank discussions with an old couple who reminisced about glorious Portugese rule and berated India for annexing their territory. It isn't surprising because in the 1800s the barbarians burnt all records of the inquisition including the details about executions of non Christians. Muslims took great pride in recording the gory details of their mass murders of infidels, Portugese destroyed the records of their misdeeds, that is the only difference. 

 

Aurangzeb road name was changed, fantastic...what about Vasco da Gama? Was the latter any less blood thirsty?

 

St Xavier is a saint with many schools/colleges/hospitals in his name but truth be told he was another fanatic monster who indulged in utmost cruelty. It was this SOB who planted the idea of Goa Inquisition yet he has churches named in his honour and his relics in Goa attract many devotees/believers including the ones he wanted to eliminate form Planet Earth, oh the irony !!!!

 

Shukr karo ki Brits ruled us and not the brutes from the Iberian peninsula. Our entire culture would have been destroyed like it happened in Central/South America and satyagrahiyon ki maa ___ dete woh log. Brits were kind/secular overlords (relatively speaking, toot mat padna mujh par) compared to all of the other European colonialists. 

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13 minutes ago, surajmal said:

lolwut?! Point of no return was crossed in North east 3 decades ago demographics wise. Now its a matter of seeing which death cult wins out in the end. Infact now that I think about it, BJP maybe playing some long term chanakiyan move by letting abrahamics ingress into the north east more and more. They may have already concluded that its best to deal with who ever comes out on top in a few decades. 

I guess they are preparing the stage for some ghar wapsi and bringing animistic religions under Hindu fold. But looks risky because they lack the persistence, ruthlessness and evil genius of desert cultists. 

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24 minutes ago, surajmal said:

This tweet by True Indology is apt

https://twitter.com/TrueIndology/status/1013253953436278784 

 

A lot of people on Twitter are after the person who runs True Indology & want Twitter to get this handle deleted. No one knows who this anonymous person is but definitely he/she is giving the haters burnol moment by exposing their agenda.

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12 minutes ago, Gollum said:

I guess they are preparing the stage for some ghar wapsi and bringing animistic religions under Hindu fold. But looks risky because they lack the persistence, ruthlessness and evil genius of desert cultists. 

Numbers of tribes following some form of animism is too small to make much of a dent in the end. **** is really going to hit the fan in couple of decades when Bangladesh's coastline is getting flooded and all those ROPers make their way upward in the biggest migration in human history.  North East is a goner, no matter what. Interesting thing to speculate on is what sort of response the hindi belt going to have to the civil war between the two death cults.  

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4 hours ago, Gollum said:

Islamic brutality in medieval ages is still not whitewashed completely. Agenda driven NCERT books have tried their level best to glorify that period (with tremendous success if I may add) but via other avenues the history of the greatest genocide in human history has been kept alive in the minds of kafirs. But that isn't the case with Christians..aisa lagta hai ki maano unhone yahaan kuch galat kaam kiya hi nahi. Forget aam aadmi, I bet most well educated/informed ICFers wouldn't have heard about the Goa inquisition. When I was studying in Goa my observation was that locals took great pride in their Portugese connection, I have had frank discussions with an old couple who reminisced about glorious Portugese rule and berated India for annexing their territory. It isn't surprising because in the 1800s the barbarians burnt all records of the inquisition including the details about executions of non Christians. Muslims took great pride in recording the gory details of their mass murders of infidels, Portugese destroyed the records of their misdeeds, that is the only difference. 

 

Aurangzeb road name was changed, fantastic...what about Vasco da Gama? Was the latter any less blood thirsty?

 

St Xavier is a saint with many schools/colleges/hospitals in his name but truth be told he was another fanatic monster who indulged in utmost cruelty. It was this SOB who planted the idea of Goa Inquisition yet he has churches named in his honour and his relics in Goa attract many devotees/believers including the ones he wanted to eliminate form Planet Earth, oh the irony !!!!

 

Shukr karo ki Brits ruled us and not the brutes from the Iberian peninsula. Our entire culture would have been destroyed like it happened in Central/South America and satyagrahiyon ki maa ___ dete woh log. Brits were kind/secular overlords (relatively speaking, toot mat padna mujh par) compared to all of the other European colonialists. 

At the same time I don't think they would have ruled India as long as England did. British managed 200 years of rule in India because they never meddled with local culture/religious beliefs.

 

Portugal may have had imposed severe violence on locals but there would have been an equally severe backlash from the Marathas as well.

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3 hours ago, MechEng said:

At the same time I don't think they would have ruled India as long as England did. British managed 200 years of rule in India because they never meddled with local culture/religious beliefs.

 

Portugal may have had imposed severe violence on locals but there would have been an equally severe backlash from the Marathas as well.

That is mere speculation, they did colonize South America for several centuries and completely annihilated local religions/culture there. 

 

Muslims too ruled us for centuries....Marathas, Sikhs, Rajputs, tribals, basically all non Bengalis resisted but kuch hua? They too imposed severe violence, destroyed temples, meddled with local beliefs. Never underestimate the subservience of our people no matter how brutal the enemies. That tradition still continues today. 

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23 minutes ago, Gollum said:

That is mere speculation, they did colonize South America for several centuries and completely annihilated local religions/culture there. 

 

Muslims too ruled us for centuries....Marathas, Sikhs, Rajputs, tribals, basically all non Bengalis resisted but kuch hua? They too imposed severe violence, destroyed temples, meddled with local beliefs. Never underestimate the subservience of our people no matter how brutal the enemies. That tradition still continues today. 

Yes, but India never became 100 % Anglicized or Arabic. That itself is a miracle.

 

You must remember that none of the invasions were easy. The queen of Babylon Semiramis got an embarrassing defeat, even if Alexander managed to defeat Porus there was enough damage inflicted on the Macedonians psychologically that they didn't have courage to move further into India. Umayyads easily conquered middle East, north africa and Iberian peninsula, but the king of Sindh gave them a hard time single handedly. The native Americans never experienced invasions which is why they didn't fight back against Spaniards, Indians on the other hand were too battle scarred to easily submit. 

 

Also don't mistake subservience for weakness, the Indian understanding (at least the ancient one) of strength was very different, there was firm belief in gritty endurance than might (the commonly accepted meaning of strength).

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9 hours ago, surajmal said:

Numbers of tribes following some form of animism is too small to make much of a dent in the end. **** is really going to hit the fan in couple of decades when Bangladesh's coastline is getting flooded and all those ROPers make their way upward in the biggest migration in human history.  North East is a goner, no matter what. Interesting thing to speculate on is what sort of response the hindi belt going to have to the civil war between the two death cults.  

Even without flooding it's just a matter of time that they will open up the borders ,where do you think all these bus services and cultural exchanges will lead to?

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It is such a grave situation where nuns are selling babies & padres, missionaries raping women & children.
How many times have we seen Kailash Satyarthi who won Nobel prize for child welfare speaking about this issue?

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On 7/7/2018 at 5:40 PM, Gollum said:

@asterix bhai can you merge the recent Arunachal thread over here? That too is church related with huge ramifications in the North East. If thread merging doesn't fall under mod's jurisdiction it's fine...I'll post future developments related to this topic on this thread. 

 

So that turned out to be fake news as Ram Madhav himself rubbished it. Liberandus know how to needle twitter sanghis. Never believe anything that a liberandu publication puts out - rule of thumb. 

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6 minutes ago, surajmal said:

There are 250+ missing children. How is this not a worldwide news let alone major national news? That mfer Arnab goswami is too a crypto it seems. 

?? Forgive me but which 250 missing children?

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7 hours ago, surajmal said:

There are 250+ missing children. How is this not a worldwide news let alone major national news? That mfer Arnab goswami is too a crypto it seems. 

 

1 hour ago, diga said:

Google is your friend

I googled and it shows 5 babies were sold and not 250+

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That is why I wondered from where did this figure of 250+ came.

 

These were 2 individuals who committed this crime. And the Trust didn't have any role in hiding this incident. The missionary network of Christians is vast as compared to Muslims or Hindus. And black sheep are present everywhere. 

 

I don't think it would be fair to criticize and do negative propaganda against the Trust only for the sake of communal hatred. 

 

The trust has been doing brilliant work for the poor people, and this work should continue. 

 

I have no problems if Priests are punished for raping women and children, along with Church if it tried to hide the crimes of the priests. 


 

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1 hour ago, Alam_dar said:

 

I googled and it shows 5 babies were sold and not 250+

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That is why I wondered from where did this figure of 250+ came.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2018/jul/07/no-record-of-280-births-at-missionaries-of-charitys-ranchi-facility-police-1839753.html

@surajmal has clearly said 250+ missing.. sleep well dude, your comprehension skils are on the wane

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On 7/11/2018 at 4:37 PM, diga said:

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2018/jul/07/no-record-of-280-births-at-missionaries-of-charitys-ranchi-facility-police-1839753.html

@surajmal has clearly said 250+ missing.. sleep well dude, your comprehension skils are on the wane

Thank you. 

 

(Nevertheless, better rule is one has to provide the link to the news if one is making a claim. It is certainly possible that other person may not find the exact news through googling. It may be other person may have comprehension problems). 

 

Let us wait for the investigations. If Trust itself found guilty of doing these crimes, or hiding these crimes, then it would be a utter shame. 

 

Nevertheless, if this is a crime by few individuals, then hopefully people don't malign mother Teresa and whole Christian community for this. 

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8 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

Nevertheless, if this is a crime by few individuals, then hopefully people don't malign mother Teresa and whole Christian community for this. 

Mother Teresa was more concerned about spreading christianity than doing any charity... Any decent book will tell you that. 

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11 hours ago, diga said:

Mother Teresa was more concerned about spreading christianity than doing any charity... Any decent book will tell you that. 

For me it is fully ok if she was not by force imposing Christianity upon the others, but trying to win the favours by serving the humanity. 

 

Muslims and Hindus and Atheists are also free to provide such services to people in India and compete with her. 

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On 7/11/2018 at 4:27 AM, surajmal said:

Teresa Charity selling kids.

Disgusting if it is true. I dont consider Teresa as any saint and I dont really recognize her work as Nobel. So I am not surprised that such a thing is happening there. I know she is not responsible for this incidence but I am just saying. It is horrible to know that 250 kids are missing and no MSM is losing sleep over it but 1 lynching gets attention from all the channels, news media, Social Media and what not. Just to top it up, Bollywood even throws in a movie on it as well.

 

I am not taking sides with hindus, muslims, buddhist or christians or Sikhs. I dont care about religions. My only concern is that they all should get equal treatments. There is no such as younger child or weaker child or a stronger child. I see them, find them and consider them as absolutely equal. At par with each other in their own ways. 

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1 hour ago, Alam_dar said:

For me it is fully ok if she was not by force imposing Christianity upon the others, but trying to win the favours by serving the humanity. 

 

Muslims and Hindus and Atheists are also free to provide such services to people in India and compete with her. 

Conversion is cultural genocide, is a form of genocide and they come in peace, just like ROP. Bunch of hypocrites.

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2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Conversion is cultural genocide, is a form of genocide and they come in peace, just like ROP. Bunch of hypocrites.

Forced conversion is a crime, but Conversion according to own's wish is total human. 

 

Hindus in India are totally free to preach Hinduism. And they are also free to preach in whole world. 

 

Why do you think that Bhagwan want him to be worshipped only in India? It is illogical.  

 

Perhaps missionaries trying to preach in 3rd world countries, but in their own lands of origin and strength, Christians are converting to atheism at the fastest speed. (It is wrong that Islam is the fastest spreading religion, but it is atheism which is the fastest spreading ideology). 

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Forced conversion is a crime, but Conversion according to own's wish is total human. 

@Alam_dar Most tribals who are targetted are illiterate, they're lured to convert by giving help of different kinds such as ration items, pucca housing etc. Do you really think one day they'd unexpectedly be enlightened by the Christ? The missionaries regularly visit them to encourage the new faith & have them attend mass prayers. It is just like how Portuguese did with natives of Goa centuries back, that was way brutal. This is much more subtle, with missionaries being shown as benevolent savior by helping the poor.
The place where I come from conversion (forceful) by missionaries is a big issue but the topic takes a backseat in the local media leave aside the national mainstream media which is primarily based in Delhi-NCR & Mumbai.
The reason even the local media is showing restraint in their approach is because nothing comes out of it. Police are helpless due to huge political pressure, even if the padres are caught they openly admit that they were converting but not forcefully. First of all cases are not filed & even if somehow they are filed, due to lack of evidence courts rule out the case.
 

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Hindus in India are totally free to preach Hinduism. And they are also free to preach in whole world.Why do you think that Bhagwan want him to be worshipped only in India? It is illogical.

Yes, they are free to preach but they can only do the preaching as ISKCON has done around the world. They don't care what color you are, which race or religion. But Hindu organizations are nowhere near in terms of fighting Gulf's oil money or Vatican's NGO web. How could they when one of their most revered Tirupati Balaji temple has been targetted unnecessarily in the past? Can this ever happen in Vatican city or Mecca?

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Perhaps missionaries trying to preach in 3rd world countries, but in their own lands of origin and strength, Christians are converting to atheism at the fastest speed. (It is wrong that Islam is the fastest spreading religion, but it is atheism which is the fastest spreading ideology). 

The flag bearers of modern Christianity will be then located in some Latin America or African country rather than Italy or Portugal. 
Demographic change is a very potent weapon being used in India since decades & the consequences we're currently witnessing is just a small example. This process started aggressively way back in start of the 80s & now it is mostly the 2nd/3rd generation we are dealing with.

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