Texy Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 SOURCE I think NASA being hypocrites, China did the same thing few years back followed by US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 57 minutes ago, Texy said: SOURCE I think NASA being hypocrites, China did the same thing few years back followed by US well they may be right. Its all about the orbit of which satellite got blown up relative to where ISS is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Cry for budget increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 How much debris has USA created till now? Hypocrites can't stand India being in the big league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 https://m.timesofindia.com/india/nasa-says-a-sat-test-debris-pose-danger-to-iss-indian-experts-rubbish-claim/articleshow/68689579.cms Indian experts rubbish claim . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texy Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 6 hours ago, beetle said: How much debris has USA created till now? Hypocrites can't stand India being in the big league. not just America even BRITS dont like India to rise and pose a challenge. Things would have been lot different for Ind if Shastri wasnt murdered, Bose wasnt assasinated all for Nehru puppet to come in power n start the pseudo Gandhi dynasty DHONI_FANN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Texy said: not just America even BRITS dont like India to rise and pose a challenge. Things would have been lot different for Ind if Shastri wasnt murdered, Bose wasnt assasinated all for Nehru puppet to come in power n start the pseudo Gandhi dynasty Bose's assassination is a delicious conundrum for Indian patriots. On one hand, he was hands down one of the most, if not the most patriotic, educated and personally competent leader of the Indian independence movement. On the other hand, he was as Stallinist commie as they come - ie, more on the authoritarian spectrum than anything else but also extremely pro-collectivization. Bose's plan was to have a 15-20 year 'dictatorship' with him in the helm, progressing India towards a democracy. Sounds good on paper but we know that no dictatorship has ever, on its own accord, handed over power to the masses and stepped aside. So I don't think India would've been as rosy as some think if Bose survived. beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) India says the uncontrolled destruction of the planet by the US and its vassals is a more pressing concern right now than some supposed debris being a threat to the ISS. Edited April 3, 2019 by Tibarn beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Bose's assassination is a delicious conundrum for Indian patriots. On one hand, he was hands down one of the most, if not the most patriotic, educated and personally competent leader of the Indian independence movement. On the other hand, he was as Stallinist commie as they come - ie, more on the authoritarian spectrum than anything else but also extremely pro-collectivization. Bose's plan was to have a 15-20 year 'dictatorship' with him in the helm, progressing India towards a democracy. Sounds good on paper but we know that no dictatorship has ever, on its own accord, handed over power to the masses and stepped aside. So I don't think India would've been as rosy as some think if Bose survived. Hmm South Korea had dictatorship for few years. Their growth was amazing. Their growth was amazing. But don’t think they had communist ideology. I remember reading their economic policy was one of the best during 50s. Edited April 4, 2019 by gattaca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Relax . It would burn up in 6 months time period. Much better if you ask me considering how much damage China's test caused to the LOE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, gattaca said: Hmm South Korea had dictatorship for few years. Their growth was amazing. Their growth was amazing. But don’t think they had communist ideology. I remember reading their economic policy was one of the best during 50s. Erm comparing a small homogeneous country like South Korea with a gigantic multi diversified Subcontinent like India. Yeah right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Stradlater said: Erm comparing a small homogeneous country like South Korea with a gigantic multi diversified Subcontinent like India. Yeah right. I am not comparing India and south Korea my statement was regarding “dictatorship and hand over of power”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, gattaca said: I am not comparing India and south Korea my statement was regarding “dictatorship and hand over of power”. Having authoritarian Govt in a country as humongous and diverse as India was always going to be a recipe for a disaster. South Korea is probably the size of Punjab with a homogeneous population in contrast to India where even a small village in the distant corner of UP would exhibit more diversity. Thus unless you had mechanisms in place to deal with the rebellions that would have sprung up every other weekend to protest against the dictatorial govt , fat chance that Bose's plan would have seen the daylight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranvir Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Democracy has failed in India. Look at the sheer amount of poverty and the ridiculous population number. Overpopulation causes so many problems and not one democratically elected government has done anything to fix this problem. How on Earth has India added 1 billion people to its population in just 70 years? It's embarrassing. It's a country where anything goes. China is light years ahead, it has almost completely eradicated poverty and illiteracy, Throughout the world China is far more respected and India is still considered a poverty stricken mess. People laugh at India for having space programs when so much of the population lives in absolute squalor. Don't give me the India has better human rights line either. Human rights in India are awful. Democracy is for those people who have half a brain and even then it often isn't the best system. Texy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 13 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Bose's assassination is a delicious conundrum for Indian patriots. On one hand, he was hands down one of the most, if not the most patriotic, educated and personally competent leader of the Indian independence movement. On the other hand, he was as Stallinist commie as they come - ie, more on the authoritarian spectrum than anything else but also extremely pro-collectivization. Bose's plan was to have a 15-20 year 'dictatorship' with him in the helm, progressing India towards a democracy. Sounds good on paper but we know that no dictatorship has ever, on its own accord, handed over power to the masses and stepped aside. So I don't think India would've been as rosy as some think if Bose survived. would have provided a counter balance or a powerful voice. Sawarkar was similar to Bose on nationalism but he was rightwing on religious issues despite being a reformer within the Hindu spectrum. He faded away without much political impact. what india needed post independence within the political environment was checks and balances. Gandhi Bose, Patel etc passing away quickly robbed them of that. Patel especially was that pole around which Nehru could have been kept in check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 56 minutes ago, Ranvir said: Democracy has failed in India. Look at the sheer amount of poverty and the ridiculous population number. Overpopulation causes so many problems and not one democratically elected government has done anything to fix this problem. How on Earth has India added 1 billion people to its population in just 70 years? It's embarrassing. It's a country where anything goes. China is light years ahead, it has almost completely eradicated poverty and illiteracy, Throughout the world China is far more respected and India is still considered a poverty stricken mess. People laugh at India for having space programs when so much of the population lives in absolute squalor. Don't give me the India has better human rights line either. Human rights in India are awful. Democracy is for those people who have half a brain and even then it often isn't the best system. Its more about the political choices the leaders at the time make. China was poorer than India under Mao (who also started the space program) but ovetook us due to reforms of Deng. India's economic liberalization began in 1991. Maybe if that moment had come in say 1970 and the IMF would have forced our hand we would have been twice as richer per person that today. Our neighbor Pakistan had drifted in and out of authoritarian rule. We overtook them in the early 00s. What we can conclude is that a dictatorship works well for east asian countries. Not so much for the Africa South Asia or even the middle east (barring the oil rich countries) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) Bose could have been worse than Bandit Nehru if given the chance. Socialism was as stupid an idea then as it is now. No one with any critical thinking could have so whole-heartily dived head-first into promoting such an idea. The best, realistic leader at the time of independence would have been Patel, who India had a legitimate chance to get as PM had that buffoon Godse not shot Gandhi at that time. (Even if one was sympathetic to the attack, it happened at the worst possible time: it would have been less damaging if it happened much before, or even a few weeks after. This of course, is the basis of an under-discussed conspiracy theory in Indian history! ) Dictatorships and Democracies which developed and became the modern developed countries were all basically homogeneous from the get-go, or underwent forced homogenization. The diversity-homogeneity paradigm doesn't say much about what form of government works per-se. Especially considering most/all the diversity that Europe and "the West" has today is hardly a several decades old, and the Great Divergence between the western world and the rest of the world happened much before any of those countries became what is generally considered "Democracy" in the current global-vernacular: a Republic with Universal Adult Franchise. That's a long-winded way of saying, that India is a unique country, whether we succeed in the current political scenario, or succeed in another scenario as a dictatorship, or fail, or find some other way, there is almost no parallel to India to be found in other countries. Scale alone insures that, with China being the only nation comparable on that measure. Edited April 4, 2019 by Tibarn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranvir Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 7 hours ago, G_B_ said: Its more about the political choices the leaders at the time make. China was poorer than India under Mao (who also started the space program) but ovetook us due to reforms of Deng. India's economic liberalization began in 1991. Maybe if that moment had come in say 1970 and the IMF would have forced our hand we would have been twice as richer per person that today. Our neighbor Pakistan had drifted in and out of authoritarian rule. We overtook them in the early 00s. What we can conclude is that a dictatorship works well for east asian countries. Not so much for the Africa South Asia or even the middle east (barring the oil rich countries) Indian parties are too concerned with staying in power and winning the next election. This wastes too much time and effort when it comes to development. Maybe give the winners of elections an 8-10 year term, then we can truly see what difference they make. You should not compare India to Pakistan, their ideology is completely different, their law is based around Sharia and that will always be their downfall. If a dictatorship failed their it doesn't mean that it would have failed in India. One government should have at least implemented a 2 child per woman policy but with democracy you can guarantee the opposition party would have simply disagreed with it just to get votes from illiterates who wanted to continue having 5+ children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texy Posted April 4, 2019 Author Share Posted April 4, 2019 10 hours ago, Ranvir said: Democracy has failed in India. Look at the sheer amount of poverty and the ridiculous population number. Overpopulation causes so many problems and not one democratically elected government has done anything to fix this problem. How on Earth has India added 1 billion people to its population in just 70 years? It's embarrassing. It's a country where anything goes. China is light years ahead, it has almost completely eradicated poverty and illiteracy, Throughout the world China is far more respected and India is still considered a poverty stricken mess. People laugh at India for having space programs when so much of the population lives in absolute squalor. Don't give me the India has better human rights line either. Human rights in India are awful. Democracy is for those people who have half a brain and even then it often isn't the best system. Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Ranvir said: Democracy has failed in India. Look at the sheer amount of poverty and the ridiculous population number. Overpopulation causes so many problems and not one democratically elected government has done anything to fix this problem. How on Earth has India added 1 billion people to its population in just 70 years? It's embarrassing. It's a country where anything goes. China is light years ahead, it has almost completely eradicated poverty and illiteracy, Throughout the world China is far more respected and India is still considered a poverty stricken mess. People laugh at India for having space programs when so much of the population lives in absolute squalor. Don't give me the India has better human rights line either. Human rights in India are awful. Democracy is for those people who have half a brain and even then it often isn't the best system. Not everyone understood family planning. Do you know china is no longer 1 child policy ? India has been doing good job in raising people out of poverty. Edited April 4, 2019 by gattaca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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