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6 hours ago, Sandeep99 said:

I think he's batting too low for India A and not getting solid chances..

Last year he got chance to open the inning ahead of Gill,but was clueless against Australia-A bowlers.So far in all A tours he has failed to make an impression.Even in this series he came bat twice at around 25th over but could not capitalise.His range of shots is limited as he often tries to pull balls meant to be played on off side or with straight bat.

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2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

But gill played in MO on NZ tour. He can bat both positions.

Does he want to though? He has said before that he prefers opening the innings. Even in for KKR, he started doing a lot better when he was moved from the middle order to the opening slot.

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

He has all gears for MO position which Pandey, even Iyer don't have.

Iyer was the highest six-hitter in both the Vijay Hazare and Syed Mushtaq Ali T20 tournaments last year. He is certainly capable of it, with the potential to get better. Whether he can reproduce it on the international stage is the question.

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1 hour ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

Does he want to though? He has said before that he prefers opening the innings. Even in for KKR, he started doing a lot better when he was moved from the middle order to the opening slot.

Iyer was the highest six-hitter in both the Vijay Hazare and Syed Mushtaq Ali T20 tournaments last year. He is certainly capable of it, with the potential to get better. Whether he can reproduce it on the international stage is the question.

Gill was batting at 6-7 for KKR which is not his position.  He batted at 3 for India U19.  and i do not think he has the technique for an opener.

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How I now wish Shastri and Kohli, who played for India as 18-19 yr olds, had got no support from then Indian selectors. These shameless fellows have absolutely no eye for supporting bright young talents while having faith in older tried and tested failures. Maybe they believe the oldies are more insecure and hence easier to manipulate than the younger ones.

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Yesterday, the team was selected for the WI series. I'm disappointed not to see Gill's name in the squad even though he performed superbly in the India A series. Dear selectors, he is the future and most importantly he can anywhere. Please provide ample opportunities for him. Im sure that he can fill your 4th place 

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On 7/22/2019 at 12:06 AM, Sandeep99 said:

How the heck can this guy be left out? He clearly looks the best of all the 22 players on the field. His timing is exceptional and intent is next level. Either Indian selectors are blind or there is indeed something very wrong with the system.

 

Shreyas Iyer doesn't look half as convincing as Gaekwad, let alone Gill. Kohli can fill the entire team with his cronies like Jadhav, Karthik, Rahul but please, for the love of your country, play Gill. He will win you matches!

That's precisely why they don't want him in the squad :hehe:.

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30 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

They are openers. Pandey is a MO bat.

Who cares? It is all about giving exposure to the youngster against lightweight opposition. What is the point of giving chance to Manish Pandey who was not even part of world cup squad?  If he doesn't get to bat. good no issue. If he gets to bat it will be a good exposure. If every talent in India is a top order it doesn't mean we have to back crappy guys just because they bat in the middle order.

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4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Who cares? It is all about giving exposure to the youngster against lightweight opposition. What is the point of giving chance to Manish Pandey who was not even part of world cup squad?  If he doesn't get to bat. good no issue. If he gets to bat it will be a good exposure. If every talent in India is a top order it doesn't mean we have to back crappy guys just because they bat in the middle order.

Pandey will bat in MO.  how can you pick openers for middle order? we are struggling with middle order batsmen at this point, not openers.  Gill must start batting in middle order for India A and Punjab if he wants that chance in MO.  Runs scored as opener wont help him being selected for MO spot.

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3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Pandey will bat in MO.  how can you pick openers for middle order? we are struggling with middle order batsmen at this point, not openers.  Gill must start batting in middle order for India A and Punjab if he wants that chance in MO.  Runs scored as opener wont help him being selected for MO spot. 

I don't know about punjab, but in Ind A the choice is made by capn and coach. hence, it's hardly gill's fault if he is opening. it shows, once again, short-sighted and muddled planning by TM (possibly including dravid).

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7 minutes ago, Vijy said:

I don't know about punjab, but in Ind A the choice is made by capn and coach. hence, it's hardly gill's fault if he is opening. it shows, once again, short-sighted and muddled planning by TM (possibly including dravid).

or maybe Gill does not want to bat in MO.

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39 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

or maybe Gill does not want to bat in MO.

in that case, he will have to compete with shaw, mayank, KLR (maybe even easwaran, panchal, dhawan and vijay) in tests and with rohit, dhawan, KLR (maybe even mayank, shaw and gaekwad). strange choice.

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On 7/22/2019 at 10:56 PM, rkt.india said:

Gill was batting at 6-7 for KKR which is not his position.  He batted at 3 for India U19.  and i do not think he has the technique for an opener.

He has opened for Punjab, India 'A' and KKR. Don't think him saying he wants to open and then opening for all these teams is a conicidence. He might not get a chance to bat at No. 3 (though I wouldn't be against Kohli dropping down to 4 to accomodate him). I don't think Shubman Gill right now is the No. 4 we need. A No. 4 needs to have the big hitting game and Gill needs years of development before he can get there. His innings in the 5th ODI against West Indies 'A' is an anomaly and his List 'A' strike rate of less than 90 proves that.

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3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Pandey will bat in MO.  how can you pick openers for middle order? we are struggling with middle order batsmen at this point, not openers.  Gill must start batting in middle order for India A and Punjab if he wants that chance in MO.  Runs scored as opener wont help him being selected for MO spot.

why can't putiya chokeli move to 4th and gill can play at 3... more over if they are so concerned about mo why are the top3 even playing. coz you know these 3 will boost their avg and consume most of the overs . And I believe new player can move to any position and gill can play at 4 as it still require sensible ones and twos on that position. Even in past sehwag and few others have played at different position than what they used to play in domestic.

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36 minutes ago, raki05 said:

why can't putiya chokeli move to 4th and gill can play at 3... more over if they are so concerned about mo why are the top3 even playing. coz you know these 3 will boost their avg and consume most of the overs . And I believe new player can move to any position and gill can play at 4 as it still require sensible ones and twos on that position. Even in past sehwag and few others have played at different position than what they used to play in domestic.

top are the easiest position to bat in LOIs.  it is easier for a MO batsman like SRT, ganguly, Sehwag to move to opening than an opener moving to MO.  It has happened but very rarely like Michael Hussey who was predominantly an opener but succeeded at 5-6 as well.  For Gill to claim for MO, he must bat in MO for India A and Punjab. or Kohli needs to move down to 4 which i do not see happening.

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9 hours ago, rkt.india said:

They are openers. Pandey is a MO bat.

FFS Rohit Sharma is a middle order batsman. Why do they want him to open? Rahul is an opener. Why was he selected to play at #4? We need to see talent and reward them. Good players often adjust. Rat doesn't want other superstars in the team to challenge his hegemony. The fcker is keen on destroying Indian cricket.

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10 minutes ago, Sandeep99 said:

FFS Rohit Sharma is a middle order batsman. Why do they want him to open? Rahul is an opener. Why was he selected to play at #4? We need to see talent and reward them. Good players often adjust. Rat doesn't want other superstars in the team to challenge his hegemony. The fcker is keen on destroying Indian cricket.

it is easier for a MO bat to do well as opener, reverse isnt easy.  Rahul has struggled in MO and he too prefers MO.  Rahul is tried only because he has all the gears in armour.  He is someone who if settled can bat at high SR rate which is what is the need of the hour.  Gill and Shaw must wait for their chances till Rohit and Dhawan are doing well.  Once, they start to decline, both will eventually come in and hopefully Rahul can settle down at 4 by then.  

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27 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

it is easier for a MO bat to do well as opener, reverse isnt easy.  Rahul has struggled in MO and he too prefers MO.  Rahul is tried only because he has all the gears in armour.  He is someone who if settled can bat at high SR rate which is what is the need of the hour.  Gill and Shaw must wait for their chances till Rohit and Dhawan are doing well.  Once, they start to decline, both will eventually come in and hopefully Rahul can settle down at 4 by then.  

I feel Gill can adapt to #4 quicker than the likes of Rahul, who never looks convincing even when he's batting on 200*. India needs to field the right talent who can adapt than no hopers who will never come good. 

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6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

or maybe Gill does not want to bat in MO.

Why would anyone want to play in MO when the selections are purely based on stats ? Gill if he play down the order will never have the big scores to get selectors attention and I dont think its just him , everyone in domestic would want to play at top . 

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1 hour ago, Sandeep99 said:

I feel Gill can adapt to #4 quicker than the likes of Rahul, who never looks convincing even when he's batting on 200*. India needs to field the right talent who can adapt than no hopers who will never come good. 

Rahul is one of the best talents we have and when he is in flow, even Kohli pales in front of him. It will take Gill years to develop different gears. Rahul already have them. Shaw and Gill will be our openers in 2023 wc.

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44 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

I just can't believe they are not playing Abhimanyu Easwaran..  He is potential 3rd opener. WTF is Shivam Dune doing in test squad??.  Bowling attack looks good though.  Important series for Vihari. 

too many openers in the mix as of now. apart from mayank-shaw-KLR, there is also Gill in contention. easwaran and panchal have opened for Ind A and done well.

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Rahul is one of the best talents we have and when he is in flow, even Kohli pales in front of him. It will take Gill years to develop different gears. Rahul already have them. Shaw and Gill will be our openers in 2023 wc.


I doubt that, I feel Rahul is getting way more attention than he deserves!

Gill is a more complete package according to me, he may take more time to develop, but he plays with more stability than Rahul according to me.


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28 minutes ago, Vijy said:

too many openers in the mix as of now. apart from mayank-shaw-KLR, there is also Gill in contention. easwaran and panchal have opened for Ind A and done well.

Panchal is 29 & Abhimanyu is 23. It is better to invest in Abhimanyu as he can serve Indian cricket for longer time.  KL Rahul has been given zillion opportunities & he has always failed.  His last good series was 2 years ago. It's time to move on from him in test cricket. 

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3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

it is easier for a MO bat to do well as opener, reverse isnt easy.  Rahul has struggled in MO and he too prefers MO.  Rahul is tried only because he has all the gears in armour.  He is someone who if settled can bat at high SR rate which is what is the need of the hour.  Gill and Shaw must wait for their chances till Rohit and Dhawan are doing well.  Once, they start to decline, both will eventually come in and hopefully Rahul can settle down at 4 by then.  

So do you think Michael Bevan, Dhoni, Yuvraj and even Raina could have been easily made openers?

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2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Rahul is one of the best talents we have and when he is in flow, even Kohli pales in front of him. It will take Gill years to develop different gears. Rahul already have them. Shaw and Gill will be our openers in 2023 wc.

Jeez, that is some hyperbole. I don't even remember one good ODI innings from him and apart from that innings against SL in this WC, he was absolutely pathetic even in this WC.

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34 minutes ago, Cricket_Fan said:

So do you think Michael Bevan, Dhoni, Yuvraj and even Raina could have been easily made openers?

Dhoni has opened. Neither I said every mo bat can be a successful opener but it is much easier to switch to opening than switching to mo.

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32 minutes ago, Cricket_Fan said:

Jeez, that is some hyperbole. I don't even remember one good ODI innings from him and apart from that innings against SL in this WC, he was absolutely pathetic even in this WC.

How many ODIs did Rahul play before WC? How he played in last one year before WC? How did Dhoni and Kohli did in their first WC? Let me answer. 14 games in all, 2 games in last one year, scored more runs than those 2 I mentioned did in their first WC. People are talking like Rahul is some seasoned ODI player or a TTF. Guy was not even certain to be picked for WC and you are asking what he did.

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1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Dhoni has opened. Neither I said every mo bat can be a successful opener but it is much easier to switch to opening than switching to mo.

Based on what exactly? You can succeed in MO with few shots like Dhoni or Raina but not as an opener. You need to be a good player of fast bowling to be an opener which is not a must-have criteria for MO.

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Just now, rkt.india said:

How many ODIs did Rahul play before WC? How he played in last one year before WC? How did Dhoni and Kohli did in their first WC? Let me answer. 14 games in all, 2 games in last one year, scored more runs than those 2 I mentioned did in their first WC. People are talking like Rahul is some seasoned ODI player or a TTF. Guy was not even certain to be picked for WC and you are asking what he did.

So what is the basis of your hype that he is better than Kohli? it is not how many runs, it is how you make it. He was scratchy as fudge in every single match in this WC. 

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38 minutes ago, Cricket_Fan said:

So what is the basis of your hype that he is better than Kohli? it is not how many runs, it is how you make it. He was scratchy as fudge in every single match in this WC. 

He wasnt scratchy .....he has been going through technical issues - i made a post where i put a pic how his bat is getting locked. 

He is such a good player that despite so many technical issues that has creeped up in his game he has scored good amount of runs in WC. He has not played much cricket and wasnt dealt well when he was in best of his form , hence it created insecurity in him which is what kohli has done to many youngsters now also seen in kuldeep. Then he had a horrible year which didnt help. The good thing is he is getting better and still scored runs despite those issues. 

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Lol the website I was following earlier showed much stronger bowling attack.  But now I find that it is joke of a attack.  Only 2 pacers one of which is Dube.  Instead of Gowtham they should've picked another pacer.  What is the point of picking Markande when ideally we r grooming Rahul Chahar? 

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Just now, Lone Wolf said:

Lol the website I was following earlier showed much stronger bowling attack.  But now I find that it is joke of a attack.  Only 2 pacers one of which is Dube.  Instead of Gowtham they should've picked another pacer.  What is the point of picking Markande when ideally we r grooming Rahul Chahar? 

Exactly. This is more like 5th string attack of India lol

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49 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He wasnt scratchy .....he has been going through technical issues - i made a post where i put a pic how his bat is getting locked. 

He is such a good player that despite so many technical issues that has creeped up in his game he has scored good amount of runs in WC. He has not played much cricket and wasnt dealt well when he was in best of his form , hence it created insecurity in him which is what kohli has done to many youngsters now also seen in kuldeep. Then he had a horrible year which didnt help. The good thing is he is getting better and still scored runs despite those issues. 

The end result is he being scratchy on the field. Look, I don't deny he is a good player with potential. But what I don't agree with these hyperbole statements that he is somehow even better than Kohli when he is in his full flow(something which he has never done yet in his ODI career). At the moment, he is not even good as Babar Azam in ODIs. So let's not hype him up to the moon and then get disappointed. we can hype him up when he makes some consistent big knocks in ODIs.

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25 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Siraj looks like a very mediocre bowler.    Too much hype around him, for nothing.  Many ICFers were suggesting that his bowling style is suited for test format. But does not look like it, either.  

The hype was due to him picking so many wickets in the last few A tours. I believe he bowls better with old ball rather than the new ball.

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