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Wrong.When he first came he was 138 to 145 ks bowler consistently.

No even his debut match after his spell where he was 140ks+.he dropped down to 125ks in the same day.during Wi tour he was 130-145ks.After that he never touched 140ks consistenly even in few spells other than in nz.He always lacked stamina .

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Munaf Patel was another wasted talent. Had good pace, good bouncer and could reverse the bowl too. Then it all went downhill. I could not find his video of his debut match. But found his video vs WI. Watch Munaf bowl a good tight over at good pace with some really good bouncers.

 

Look at the bowling. Good pace and good line and lengths, getting bounce from awkward length. For me, he was the best fast bowling talent I have seen from India but he couldn't put the hard yards. If only he had half the determination of Ishant.

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No even his debut match after his spell where he was 140ks+.he dropped down to 125ks in the same day.during Wi tour he was 130-145ks.After that he never touched 140ks consistenly even in few spells other than in nz.He always lacked stamina .

He used to slow down intentionally to conserve energy like Steyn does. This is how you bowl in test cricket. You cannot bowl fast all the time. Problme is his good days as a fast bowler lasted just till WI tour. After sustaining an injury after that tour, he slowed down in an attempt to emulate McGrath, changed his run up and load up.

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Look at the bowling. Good pace and good line and lengths, getting bounce from awkward length. For me, he was the best fast bowling talent I have seen from India but he couldn't put the hard yards. If only he had half the determination of Ishant.

Way back in 2004 TOI had published an article about him.It mentioned him training under Lillee and how Lillee was very impressed.He was clocking 145ks regularly then.When Lillee left MRF couple of years ago he lamented that Munaf Patel was lost as he believed he was the best Indian fast bowling talent.

Munaf was asked by Chappel to reduce pace and concentrate on line and length.

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As far as I know, and I remember, it was Venky Prasad who got Munaf to reduce his pace down. Venky has been responsible for decline of a lot of fast bowlers from India. Could be because he was never quick himself, and was always a shadow of Srinath who was genuine pace.

I remember I met Munaf a couple of years ago, in Empire hotel, churchstreet, bangalore. He was a very sweet guy, very soft spoken. But you could make out from his mannerism, that he was too soft a person, and did not have the aura or the aggression of a fast bowler.

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As far as I know, and I remember, it was Venky Prasad who got Munaf to reduce his pace down. Venky has been responsible for decline of a lot of fast bowlers from India. Could be because he was never quick himself, and was always a shadow of Srinath who was genuine pace.

I remember I met Munaf a couple of years ago, in Empire hotel, churchstreet, bangalore. He was a very sweet guy, very soft spoken. But you could make out from his mannerism, that he was too soft a person, and did not have the aura or the aggression of a fast bowler.

Munaf, after his injuries, always played within himself and never went all out.  He did not want to get injured again, so he played with one eye on protecting himself.  He has said as much to friends and family...

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He used to slow down intentionally to conserve energy like Steyn does. This is how you bowl in test cricket. You cannot bowl fast all the time. Problme is his good days as a fast bowler lasted just till WI tour. After sustaining an injury after that tour, he slowed down in an attempt to emulate McGrath, changed his run up and load up.

No steyn when he came did not try to slow down ,munaf just could not maintain his pace.He could never come back at fag end of the day and bowl quick.He just did not not work hard enough after he got success.He was advised by greg chappell to slow down and focus on his line.Its true nobody can bowl fast all the time but his speed in a spell varied too much showing lack of stamina and fitness.

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As far as I know, and I remember, it was Venky Prasad who got Munaf to reduce his pace down. Venky has been responsible for decline of a lot of fast bowlers from India. Could be because he was never quick himself, and was always a shadow of Srinath who was genuine pace.

I remember I met Munaf a couple of years ago, in Empire hotel, churchstreet, bangalore. He was a very sweet guy, very soft spoken. But you could make out from his mannerism, that he was too soft a person, and did not have the aura or the aggression of a fast bowler.

It was chappel and his crony.

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Three guys who were easily 250 test wicket material Munaf,R.p ,Sreesanth .Atleast 2 of them should have been leading the indian attack .

this is the problem. They never graduate to the highest level. Munaf and RP two of the laziest pacers we had.

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How in the world does a thread on Nathu Singh turn into an analysis on Munaf patel? Let us try and stick to the topic... i think it is exciting anytime you get a raw talent who is actually afforded an opportunity to learn from the best.

Unfortunately, looking at our bowling resources we should be thankful if we get 1 world class dominant bowler even if that means hyping up 100s of them so that they get noticed somehow. Let us really hope that this kid can show some potential in the warm up game against SAF (if he gets a chance to play that is).

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are you kidding? Aaron is averaging over 50. I guess the stAndard has fallen so low now.give me a swing bowler like irfan Sunday,at least he can take wickets.

exclude Irfan against minnows like Zim and BD, you will see his real stat. There you go averaging 45 after 25 tests.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/32685.html?class=1;filter=advanced;host=2;host=4;host=6;host=7;orderby=default;template=results;type=bowling

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are you kidding? Aaron is averaging over 50. I guess the stAndard has fallen so low now.give me a swing bowler like irfan Sunday,at least he can take wickets.

Before passing judgement on Aaron's bowling, they should first give him a consistent run of a couple of series and then take a call. Though he made his debut in 2011 he has played only 8 matches till now. He got injured a few times and everytime he made it back to the test squad he played in one match and dropped the next match. No player will improve if he is treated like that. Only now he has been injury free for sometime. In the 1st test  match though he didn't get to bowl much, he bowled really well. Bowled in the right areas, didn't leak runs and bowled some nasty bouncers on a pitch which had nothing for the fast bowlers. He has the potential and he just needs some more time to become a better bowler. Under Kohli's leadership probably for the first time he feels secure about his place in the test squad and will become a much better bowler.

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Before passing judgement on Aaron's bowling, they give should first give him a consistent run of a couple of series and then take a call. Though he made his debut in 2011 he has played only 8 matches till now. He got injured a few times and everytime he made it back to the test squad he played in one match and dropped the next match. No player will improve if he is treated like that. Only now he has been injury free for sometime. In the 1st test  match though he didn't get to bowl much, he bowled really well. Bowled in the right areas, didn't leak runs and bowled some nasty bouncers on a pitch which had nothing for the fast bowlers. He has the potential and he just needs some more time to become a better bowler. Under Kohli's leadership probably for the first time he feels secure about his place in the test squad and will become a much better bowler.

Mitchell Johnson had similar fate too, was rigged with back stress fracture, suffering 4 fractures. He made his test debut at the age of 26 due to constant injuries. Aaron is now 26. I am hopeful that he will now improve. He has done well in ranji trophy too in last 2 seasons because he has been injury free.

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Seeing is believing. You’ve got to see them in action before picking them,” exclaimed Robin Singh, the former India all-rounder, at the St. Paul’s College ground here on Sunday.

And Robin Singh, who is now in Kochi to rope in players for his Mumbai Indians IPL team, was clearly impressed when he saw Rajasthan fast bowler Nathu Singh in action. So too were former Indian fast bowler Tinu Yohanan and Kerala cricket captain Sachin Baby.

Everybody who has watched the Jaipur youngster who has been fast-tracked into the big stage despite playing very few first class and limited-over matches, has been floored.

“He is really very, very good,” said Robin.

“He is a natural, he has pace and his running rhythm is very fluent, something that fast bowlers should have,” said Tinu Yohanan. “There are no complications in his bowling, he is one of the best finds, it’s good they made him play for the Board President’s XI (against South Africa a couple of months ago).”

Nathu was a late starter.

“I was into basketball and volleyball before I came to cricket,” the 20-year-old said on the sidelines of the Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy T20 championship here on Sunday evening.

“I was first into tennis ball cricket and people who saw me said I should get into the real thing. That’s how I got into regular cricket at 13.”

It has been tough for Nathu, the son of a factory worker in Jaipur, but now he is close to a big break.

“Definitely, after one good domestic season, he will get into the Indian team,” said Tinu.

With India hosting the T20 Worlds in March and April, there is considerable excitement among players here. The noise level is a lot higher too at the Mushtaq Ali Trophy this season than last year when the event was held on a zonal basis.

And Nathu, who was at the MRF Pace Foundation in Chennai, sent a strong reminder to the national selectors on Sunday with his maiden T20 four-wicket haul against Kerala here.

Nathu should be handled carefully, said Tinu.

“Whatever I’ve heard about him, I think he has a strong and sensible head on his shoulders. As long as he stays that way and doesn’t lose his focus, I think he has a great future,” he said.

“But once you reach a high level, you see a lot of bowlers lose focus because there are a lot of things that can distract him at that level. So he has to be carefully handled. That way, proper grooming is very important.”

Nathu, who surprisingly does not have a role model in cricket, is ready to slog and sweat it out to realise his dream of playing for India one day.

His wait could soon be over.

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Seeing is believing. You’ve got to see them in action before picking them,” exclaimed Robin Singh, the former India all-rounder, at the St. Paul’s College ground here on Sunday.

And Robin Singh, who is now in Kochi to rope in players for his Mumbai Indians IPL team, was clearly impressed when he saw Rajasthan fast bowler Nathu Singh in action. So too were former Indian fast bowler Tinu Yohanan and Kerala cricket captain Sachin Baby.

Everybody who has watched the Jaipur youngster who has been fast-tracked into the big stage despite playing very few first class and limited-over matches, has been floored.

“He is really very, very good,” said Robin.

“He is a natural, he has pace and his running rhythm is very fluent, something that fast bowlers should have,” said Tinu Yohanan. “There are no complications in his bowling, he is one of the best finds, it’s good they made him play for the Board President’s XI (against South Africa a couple of months ago).”

Nathu was a late starter.

“I was into basketball and volleyball before I came to cricket,” the 20-year-old said on the sidelines of the Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy T20 championship here on Sunday evening.

“I was first into tennis ball cricket and people who saw me said I should get into the real thing. That’s how I got into regular cricket at 13.”

It has been tough for Nathu, the son of a factory worker in Jaipur, but now he is close to a big break.

“Definitely, after one good domestic season, he will get into the Indian team,” said Tinu.

With India hosting the T20 Worlds in March and April, there is considerable excitement among players here. The noise level is a lot higher too at the Mushtaq Ali Trophy this season than last year when the event was held on a zonal basis.

And Nathu, who was at the MRF Pace Foundation in Chennai, sent a strong reminder to the national selectors on Sunday with his maiden T20 four-wicket haul against Kerala here.

Nathu should be handled carefully, said Tinu.

“Whatever I’ve heard about him, I think he has a strong and sensible head on his shoulders. As long as he stays that way and doesn’t lose his focus, I think he has a great future,” he said.

“But once you reach a high level, you see a lot of bowlers lose focus because there are a lot of things that can distract him at that level. So he has to be carefully handled. That way, proper grooming is very important.”

Nathu, who surprisingly does not have a role model in cricket, is ready to slog and sweat it out to realise his dream of playing for India one day.

His wait could soon be over.

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develop a good pool of next gen bowlers initially as back up..... Nathu, Bumrah, Pandya, Sran.... 4 to start off with

Ishant Umesh Shami Aaron and Bhuvi (yes have not lost all hope for him yet as I think he is good in some conditions) as the top 5

no more filth like morehit Sharma,  aravind etc.

I think it's a good idea to have a veteran who is still playing at some level like nehra travel with the team to help out some youngsters.

thats a pool of 9 bowlers which is good enough..... Keeps the current ones in check in terms of both fitness and improving their skills and gives these younger guys experience to eventually be the strike bowlers.

 

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Lots of ex-players whoever has seen him bowl is bigging him up and see a lot of potential in him, from Dravid and Sandeep Patil to now Robin Singh and Tinu. This is really exciting for Indian cricket bowling fans. Hope he is able to cope up with the high expectations and BCCI also needs to take care of Nathu and give him a long rope and not discard him, if he is not able to perform well in a few matches initially.

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Let's hope he is nurtured n not lost like many others, for our pacers to grow we need good selectors at all level plus a good captain , bowlers like Pankaj, Salil Ankola, Razdan, Abhey Kuruvilla all victims of our stupid selectors not identifying or nurturing or playing them when they were old or after injury, key is to identify early , give them a taste of big league early on then let them develop

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Deepak Chahar is another one I have a lot of hopes. He is a good action, swings the ball both ways and has increased some pace as well. He says his quickest now is around 140K.

 

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/67902/ranji-trophy-2014-15-interview-greg-chappell-rejection-made-me-the-player-i-am-today-deepak-chahar

wasn't he the guy who had an amazing debut few years back where he was producing banana swing?

i thought he was very impressive in his debut video but thought he fell by the wayside since then..... Good to see him back in the scheme of things :two_thumbs_up:

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wasn't he the guy who had an amazing debut few years back where he was producing banana swing?

i thought he was very impressive in his debut video but thought he fell by the wayside since then..... Good to see him back in the scheme of things :two_thumbs_up:

He lacked pace then and was trying to increase his pace, also suffered injuries.

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Before passing judgement on Aaron's bowling, they should first give him a consistent run of a couple of series and then take a call. Though he made his debut in 2011 he has played only 8 matches till now. He got injured a few times and everytime he made it back to the test squad he played in one match and dropped the next match. No player will improve if he is treated like that. Only now he has been injury free for sometime. In the 1st test  match though he didn't get to bowl much, he bowled really well. Bowled in the right areas, didn't leak runs and bowled some nasty bouncers on a pitch which had nothing for the fast bowlers. He has the potential and he just needs some more time to become a better bowler. Under Kohli's leadership probably for the first time he feels secure about his place in the test squad and will become a much better bowler.

I have seen batsman fearing Aaron's bowling..he is india's top fast bowler and will definitely be in the 11 in tests.

bcos he has not been able to stop runs in odi and T 20 he is not in Australia else he wud have been there getting ready to play the first ODI.

but it is guaranteed that AAron will improve his bowling and give less runs in future and play for ODI at least.

Yes Nathu singh should also be looked into but definitely not Irfan - his days are gone now.

similiarly I don't have high hopes from UV too. bhajji is a defensive spinner and will always be able to give less runs in his overs but he does not fetch the kind of wickets that he must.

Still he is a good pick for T 20 and I will not be surprised if he plays world t20 too as he is a run stopping spinner.

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