Indian "Liberals" claiming to be Champions of Science

[Vijy]

On 5/28/2017 at 1:29 PM, Muloghonto said:

It is an affirmative about plastic surgery, as Rhinoplasty was invented in India and first mentioned in Charaka/Susruta samahita, both of which are originally dated to 300s-600s BC period.

 

Yes, Sushrut does discuss it in his text.

[coffee_rules]

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 10:59 PM, Muloghonto said:

It is an affirmative about plastic surgery, as Rhinoplasty was invented in India and first mentioned in Charaka/Susruta samahita, both of which are originally dated to 300s-600s BC period.

 

In his defense, his comments was about Modi commenting about lord Ganesh's reference as evidence for plastic surgery being invented in ancient India.

 

[rkt.india]

On 4/12/2017 at 5:17 PM, Yoda-esque said:

With all the prejudices on display,is Mulo a liberal as he "claims" or a bigot and a Bong fundie?

 

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk

 

 

To be honest, liberalism does not exist. It is just a fancy word. Inside, we all have our prejudices and biases. 

[FischerTal]

mulo vs surajmal/tibarn 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

To be honest, liberalism does not exist. It is just a fancy word. Inside, we all have our prejudices and biases. 

it does exist. Not all people have equal amounts of prejudice and bias and while not all liberals in the west are without bias, the most unbiassed and humanitarian people i've encountered here call themselves liberals. 

 

[Tibarn]

Runaway Uncle still hasn't provided proof for these 5 claims he made 

 

A) Humans being blank slates at birth

 

B) Humans being polyandrous in terms of evolutionary history

 

C) Marriage is oppression of females and that females need to be sexually liberated

 

D) Divorce doesn't have negative consequences on children

 

E) Majority of criminals across the world are right wing religious goons 

 

Waiting for him to answer without shifting the burden of proof. 

 

He "debates" like Trump, runs away like Kejriwal, and has the logic of a Lahori.

 

Should his name be Maulana Donald Kejriwal or Arvind Trump-Khan?

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, Tibarn said:

Runaway Uncle still hasn't provided proof for these 5 claims he made 

 

A) Humans being blank slates at birth

 

B) Humans being polyandrous in terms of evolutionary history

 

C) Marriage is oppression of females and that females need to be sexually liberated

 

D) Divorce doesn't have negative consequences on children

 

E) Majority of criminals across the world are right wing religious goons 

 

Waiting for him to answer without shifting the burden of proof. 

 

He "debates" like Trump, runs away like Kejriwal, and has the logic of a Lahori.

 

Should his name be Maulana Donald Kejriwal or Arvind Trump-Khan?

Runaway kid is yet to present 'biological evidence of polygamy/monogamy'. till kid does so, he won't get any luck shifting burden of evidence to me. i've already asked for proof that we can tell form biology how many sexual partners the average person has, through descendant DNA analysis. Kiddo ran away again.

 

[Tibarn]

I didn't expect Uncle to answer.  

 

Uncle's claim (1)

Quote

A) Humans being blank slates at birth

False. 

Humans aren't blank slates

Evidence #1

Journal: CURRENT DIRECTIONS IN PSYCHOLOGICAL SCIENCE Vol 13 #4. 

Author: Thomas J. Bouchard, Jr.

Abstract:

Spoiler

There is now a large body of evidence that supports the conclusion that individual differences in most, if not all, reliably measured psychological traits, normal and abnormal, are substantively influenced by genetic factors. This fact has important implications for research and theory building in psychology, as evidence of genetic influence unleashes a cascade of questions regarding the sources of variance in such traits. A brief list of those questions is provided, and representative findings regarding genetic and environmental influences are presented for the domains of personality, intelligence, psychological interests, psychiatric illnesses, and social attitudes. These findings are consistent with those reported for the traits of other species and for many human physical traits, suggesting that they may represent a general biological phenomenon.

Table

Spoiler

 

Evidence #2

Journal: Nature Genetics

Author: Poldernman, et al 2015

Abstract

Spoiler

Despite a century of research on complex traits in humans, the relative importance and specific nature of the influences of genes and environment on human traits remain controversial. We report a meta-analysis of twin correlations and reported variance components for 17,804 traits from 2,748 publications including 14,558,903 partly dependent twin pairs, virtually all published twin studies of complex traits. Estimates of heritability cluster strongly within functional domains, and across all traits the reported heritability is 49%. For a majority (69%) of traits, the observed twin correlations are consistent with a simple and parsimonious model where twin resemblance is solely due to additive genetic variation. The data are inconsistent with substantial influences from shared environment or non-additive genetic variation. This study provides the most comprehensive analysis of the causes of individual differences in human traits thus far and will guide future gene-mapping efforts.

Excerpt 

Spoiler

We have conducted a meta-analysis of virtually all twin studies published in the past 50 years, on a wide range of traits and reporting on more than 14 million twin pairs across 39 different countries. Our results provide compelling evidence that all human traits are heritable: not one trait had a weighted heritability estimate of zero.

 

Table

Spoiler

 

The heritability estimate is given under “h²” . (The “c²” is shared environment).

 

Uncle's claim (2)

Quote

B) Humans being polyandrous in terms of evolutionary history

False.

 

Humans were polygamous in evolutionary history

 

Citation: Hammer MF, Mendez FL, Cox MP, Woerner AE, Wall JD (2008) Sex-Biased Evolutionary Forces Shape Genomic Patterns of Human Diversity. PLoS
Genet 4(9): e1000202. doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.1000202

 

Abstract

Spoiler

Comparisons of levels of variability on the autosomes and X chromosome can be used to test hypotheses about factors
influencing patterns of genomic variation. While a tremendous amount of nucleotide sequence data from across the
genome is now available for multiple human populations, there has been no systematic effort to examine relative levels of
neutral polymorphism on the X chromosome versus autosomes. We analyzed ,210 kb of DNA sequencing data
representing 40 independent noncoding regions on the autosomes and X chromosome from each of 90 humans from six
geographically diverse populations. We correct for differences in mutation rates between males and females by considering
the ratio of within-human diversity to human-orangutan divergence. We find that relative levels of genetic variation are
higher than expected on the X chromosome in all six human populations. We test a number of alternative hypotheses to
explain the excess polymorphism on the X chromosome, including models of background selection, changes in population
size, and sex-specific migration in a structured population. While each of these processes may have a small effect on the
relative ratio of X-linked to autosomal diversity, our results point to a systematic difference between the sexes in the
variance in reproductive success; namely, the widespread effects of polygyny in human populations. We conclude that
factors leading to a lower male versus female effective population size must be considered as important demographic
variables in efforts to construct models of human demographic history and for understanding the forces shaping patterns of human genomic variability
 

 

Author summary

Spoiler

Author Summary
Like many primate species, the mating system of humans
is considered to be moderately polygynous (i.e., males
exhibit a higher variance in reproductive success than
females). As a consequence, males are expected to have a
lower effective population size (Ne) than females, and the
proportion of neutral genetic variation on the X chromosome (relative to the autosomes) should be higher than
expected under the assumption of strict neutrality and an
equal breeding sex ratio. We test for the effects of
polygyny by measuring levels of neutral polymorphism
at 40 independent loci on the X chromosome and
autosomes in six human populations. To correct for
mutation rate heterogeneity among loci, we divide our
diversity estimates within human populations by divergence with orangutan at each locus. Consistent with
expectations under a model of polygyny, we find elevated
levels of X-linked versus autosomal diversity. While it is
possible that multiple demographic processes may contribute to the observed patterns of genomic diversity (i.e.,
background selection, changes in population size, and sexspecific migration), we conclude that an historical excess
of breeding females over the number of breeding males
can by itself explain most of the observed increase in
effective population size of the X chromosome.
 

 

Excerpt

Quote

For mammals, it is well known that females and males do not
exhibit symmetrical behavior with respect to mating and dispersal
practices. For instance, the typical mammalian system is
characterized by polygyny (a mating practice in which a minority
of males sire offspring with multiple females) and female philopatry
(the tendency for females to breed at or near their place of origin)
[2]. The development of sex-specific markers in humans has been
instrumental in providing insights into the effects of sex-specific
demographic processes. Contrasting patterns of diversity on the
mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) and non-recombining portion of
the Y chromosome (NRY) have been interpreted to reflect sexspecificity in the rate and scale of migration and in effective
population size [3–5]. However, these patterns could also reflect
different molecular properties of these two haploid systems
 

Data

Spoiler

beta is the breeding ratio: female to male ie 2.792 females for every male in Africa:Yoruba

 

 

Another

Published in final edited form as:
Nat Genet. 2009 January ; 41(1): 66–70. doi:10.1038/ng.303
 

Abstract

Spoiler

Comparisons of chromosome X and the autosomes can illuminate differences in the histories of
males and females as well as the forces of natural selection. We compared the patterns of variation
in these parts of the genome using two data sets that we assembled for this study that are both
genomic in scale. Three independent analyses show that around the time of the dispersal of
modern humans out of Africa, chromosome X experienced much more genetic drift than is
expected from the pattern on the autosomes. This is not predicted by known episodes of
demographic history, and we found no similar patterns associated with the dispersals into East
Asia and Europe. We conclude that a gender-biased process that reduced the female effective
population size, or an episode of natural selection unusually affecting chromosome X, was
associated with the founding of non-African populations.
 

 

 

Uncle's claim (3)

Quote

C) Marriage is oppression of females and that females need to be sexually liberated

False: Marriage is a beneficial evolutionary behavior. 

Neuro Endocrinol Letters. 2002 Dec;23 Suppl 4:47-54.

Marriage: an evolutionary perspective.

Weisfeld GE¹, Weisfeld CC.

Abstract

Quote

Marriage is universal, and pair bonding is found in other species too with highly dependent young. So marriage functions as a reproductive social arrangement that traditionally involved the extended family. The sexes are not identical in their biological contributions to children's survival, so they seek somewhat different attributes in a mate. Men seek a young, attractive, sexually faithful bride. Women seek a man who is older, taller, and (as in many other species) socially dominant. Both sexes prefer a kind, healthy, attractive, similar mate who is emotionally attached to them. A spouse who fails to maintain sufficiently high mate value is vulnerable to divorce. Infertility and sexual dissatisfaction predict divorce, as does death of a child, but the more children, the stabler the marriage. Cross-cultural data suggest that cruel or subdominant men (e.g., poor providers) and unfaithful women are prone to divorce. Marriages in which the wife dominates the husband in economic contributions, nonverbal behavior, and decision making tend to be less satisfying. In societies in which wives are economically independent of husbands, divorce rates are high. As women's economic power has risen with industrialization, divorce rates have climbed. Economic and fitness considerations also help explain cultural differences in polygyny, age at marriage, arranged marriage, concern with the bride's sexual chastity, and marriage ceremonies. Other factors also affect marital dynamics, such as state subsidies to families, the sex ratio, and influence of the couple's parents.

Uncle also claimed  "Sexual Liberation" is necessary

Also False

 

 

Premarital Sex, Premarital Cohabitation, and the Risk of Subsequent Marital Dissolution Among Women

Teachman, 2003

 

Abstract

Spoiler

Using nationally representative data from the 1995 National Survey of Family Growth, I estimate the association between intimate premarital relationships (premarital sex and premarital cohabitation) and subsequent marital dissolution. I extend previous research by considering relationship histories pertaining to both premarital sex and premarital cohabitation. I find that premarital sex or premarital cohabitation that is limited to a woman's husband is not associated with an elevated risk of marital disruption. However, women who have more than one intimate premarital relationship have an increased risk of marital dissolution. These results suggest that neither premarital sex nor premarital cohabitation by itself indicate either preexisting characteristics or subsequent relationship environments that weaken marriages. Indeed, the findings are consistent with the notion that premarital sex and cohabitation limited to one's future spouse has become part of the normal courtship process for marriage.

 

Data 1

Quote

Data 2

Spoiler

Women with more sexual partners are more likely to divorce, more likely to have depression, more likely to get STDs, and are less likely to be happy. Those are some amazing benefits of "liberation".

 

What's even more funny is that Uncle claims he isn't a communist. He literally vomits back out Communist propaganda.

When the Bolsheviks came to power, one of their first targets was to attack marriage. See below:

  

If it talks like a commie, smells like a commie, and thinks like a commie: it is a commie. 

 

Uncle's claim (4)

Quote

D) Divorce doesn't have negative consequences on children

False

Divorce clearly has negative consequences on children

I already provided evidence for this in an earlier thread, Uncle knows that, but he was trying to be cute.

Visit the thread

http://www.indiancricketfans.com/forums/topic/97751-triple-talaq/#comment-3310778

I gave roughly a dozen studies that showed divorce having negative effects on children, from different countries across Europe. 

See them below

Spoiler

Sweden

Gauffin et al.

  Quote

Parental divorce has a similar effect at causing Alcohol related illness and death in children as parental death and growing up in a low income home.

Canada(North America)

Bolgar et al.

  Quote

Young adult children of divorce reported more problems with submission/control. Children of divorce experienced problems with intimacy. 

Finland

Palosaari et al.

  Quote

24% of boys who experienced divorce at ages 7-12, 9% between 13 to 16, and 6% in young adulthood were depressive. Girls the impact was standard regardless of age. 

 

France

Roustit et al

  Quote

Children of divorce, as adults, report worse perceived General Health and Mental Health than children of interparental violence. A child of divorce is more likely to report a very poor/poor/ fair self health assessment in terms of general, physical and mental health than a good self assessment. 

 

Belgium 

Donath et al

Quote

Parent separation/divorce has a significant relationship with adolescent suicide attempts

 

Sweden

Laftman et al

Quote

Adolescents in non-traditional family types report worse subjective health than adolescents in intact families

 

Norway

Paananen et al

Quote

Despite a 6.8% increase in divorce rate between 1997 and 2009, indicating a greater social acceptance, no signs of attenuated effects on mental health were observed.

 

Sweden

Lindstrom et al

Quote

Parental separation/divorce in childhood was with few exceptions significantly associated with ever having had suicide thoughts with the highest odds ratios for those who
had experienced parental separation during ages 0–4 years. Parental separation/divorce in childhood was
significantly associated with suicide attempts among men who had experienced parental separation/
divorce at ages 0–4 and 15–18, and among women at any age 0–18.

 

Sweden

Bergström et al

Quote

Living in a nuclear family was positively associated with almost all aspects of wellbeing in comparison to
children with separated parents. Children in joint physical custody experienced more positive outcomes, in terms
of subjective wellbeing, family life and peer relations, than children living mostly or only with one parent.

 

Denmark

Nielsen et al

Quote

Childhood exposure to SFLE, especially parental divorce
seems to increase the risk of infectious disease hospitalization.

 

Sweden

Rosen et al

Quote

even when a wide range of demographic and socioeconomic circumstances are included in multivariate models, children
of single parents still have increased risks of mortality, severe morbidity, and injury.

 

Norway

Størksen et al

Quote

Parental divorce was prospectively associated with a relative change in anxiety and depression, subjective well-being, self-esteem, and school problems. Considering boys separately, parental divorce was prospectively associated only with school problems. Amongthe girls, divorce was prospectively associated with all variables. The effect of divorce on relative change was
partially mediated by paternal absence.

 

Finland

Korkeila et al

Quote

Major events such as divorce can negativelly effect optimisim at adult age  even if education, living
alone, recent life events, somatic health and depressive mood were taken into account.

 

Uncle's claim (5)

Quote

E) Majority of criminals across the world are right wing religious goons 

False

The research shows criminals self-identify as left wing/liberal.

This I already showed as well. Uncle remembers this as well, as it was in a thread he created, he just refuses to have any integrity. 

http://www.indiancricketfans.com/forums/topic/99506-about-time-sc-banned-shiv-sena-bajrang-dal-and-rss/?page=2

Table 1

 

Political violence has overall been in decline since 1966-1970.

 

Overall, over the same time period, viewing incidents of political violence and number of deaths from those incidents, comparing 5 states, the proverbial "Hindutva laboratory" or "RSS playground" in Gujarat, has lesser incidents and casualties than RSS-free zones such as WB or even TN. What is noteworthy is that the other four states chosen, until the most recent Assam election, have never had a BJP government. The BJP topped out as a junior partner under the JDU in Bihar.  

 

 

Visualizing the data for the 3 major "national" parties, the BJP, the RSS political wing, has less incidents and less casualties than the other two national parties. The INC had the largest number of incidents, and the Communists had significantly greater body count. 

 

Temporal distribution of deaths from political violence shows that it has been in decline in India since the 1966-1970 band, in general, for all three national parties. 

 

The statistical analysis shows that the violence that occurs under the INC or BJP-RSS is independent of political power; putting it another way, whether the INC or the BJP-RSS is in power, their levels of political violence and the deaths caused are not significantly effected. On the other hand, the Communists have a significant statistical correlation between power and violence. When the communists are in power, their levels of violence and the number of deaths increase. 

 

Going to overall terrorism data:

0.5% of all incidents considered terrorism in India, were related to Hindus or Hinduism as an ideology, over the time period of 1972-2014. (Note: Northeast violence includes Christian).

 

 

 

Using the last 10 years as a more recent time-frame of data, a similar trend is found, with 0.7% of fatalities being "saffron."

 

Using riot data from 2012, based on 2012 CMs. 

Rank	State	Riots Rate (per 100,000 population) 2012
1	Kerala	31.4	INC
2	Assam	16.3	INC
3	Lakshadweep	13.0
4	Karnataka	12.5	BJP
5	Jammu and Kashmir	11.8	NC
6	Bihar	10.9	JDU
7	Puducherry	8.6
8	Maharashtra	7.7	INC
9	West Bengal	7.3	TMC
10	Jharkhand	7.3	BJP
11	Himachal Pradesh	7.2	BJP
12	Goa	6.7	BJP
**	All India Average	6.2
13	Haryana	5.5	INC
14	Odisha	5.3	BJD
15	Tamil Nadu	4.6	AIADMK
16	Chhattisgarh	3.7	BJP
17	Uttarakhand	3.6	INC
18	Tripura	3.5	CPM
19	Sikkim	3.5	SDF
20	Daman and Diu	3.2
21	Chandigarh	3.2
22	Manipur	2.9	INC
23	Gujarat	2.9	BJP
24	Dadra and Nagar Haveli	2.9
25	Uttar Pradesh	2.8	SP
26	Madhya Pradesh	2.6	BJP
27	Andhra Pradesh	2.2	INC
28	Arunachal Pradesh	2.2	INC
29	Andaman and Nicobar Islands	1.6
30	Rajasthan	0.8	INC
31	Delhi	0.4	INC
32	Mizoram	0.1	INC
33	Nagaland	0.1	NPF
34	Punjab	0.0	SAD
35	Meghalaya	0.0	INC

 

 There doesn't seem to be a particular trend. 

 

On a global scale over the previous decade (2001-2010):

The idea that "Saffron Terror" is any significant threat, is not borne out by the evidence. Secular organizations are far more dangerous.

 

Carrying on with a global scale: Research was done by Criminologists on political ideology and crime in the research journal: Personality and Individual Differences (2016). 

Based on the colloquial English use of the terms "conservative" as a proxy of "right" and "liberal" as "left": self identified right wing people are significantly less likely to commit crime in general. This relationship was found to be both significant and linear: the further right someone identifies, the less likely they are to commit any crime, and the further left someone is, the more likely they are to commit a crime.

The crimes that were measured in this research were:

 

 

 

The association was true within subgroups as well, with demographic controls used. This means that, for example, among "White" women, the more left one considered herself, the more likely she was to have committed a crime.   

 

In terms of Moral Science Research:

This appears to be because those identified as "left" focus only on two of five moral systems (fairness and caring), while those identified as "right" use five of five (fairness, caring, loyalty, respect, sanctity).  

 

Further research also shows:

Those that self-identify as "right" are more likely to value order and authority which likely insulate them from criminal behavior. 

 

 

The data and trends are pretty clear: terrorism and crime, whether in India or Globally, is not derived from and does not stem from "right-wing" Hindu groups at any major level. Before an objective person can argue that "right-wing" Hindu groups are to be banned, one must first ban Left-Wing, Islamic, Christian, Khalistani, Tribal, Ethnic, Secular-Political etc groups, whether in India or globally.

 

If one were to target the RSS, thereby effectively targeting BJP, one would have to first target Communists and the INC, and other parties who claim to be of similar ideology to those two National parties, before targeting the BJP-RSS combine. That is, if the goal was to prevent, terrorism, improve law and order, etc.

 

 

Let's see your data and research Uncle. Don't give me that webMD sh*t or other trash as "references". Either give me peer-reviewed references, admit you were wrong, or don't respond if you're desperate to save face. Either way, your opinions mean nothing to me when not backed up by data.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 5, 2018 by Tibarn

[surajmal]

Great bong right now

[Muloghonto]

4 hours ago, Tibarn said:

I didn't expect Uncle to answer.  

 

Uncle's claim (1)

False. 

Humans aren't blank slates

Evidence #1

Journal: CURRENT DIRECTIONS IN PSYCHOLOGICAL SCIENCE Vol 13 #4. 

Author: Thomas J. Bouchard, Jr.

Abstract:

  Hide contents

There is now a large body of evidence that supports the conclusion that individual differences in most, if not all, reliably measured psychological traits, normal and abnormal, are substantively influenced by genetic factors. This fact has important implications for research and theory building in psychology, as evidence of genetic influence unleashes a cascade of questions regarding the sources of variance in such traits. A brief list of those questions is provided, and representative findings regarding genetic and environmental influences are presented for the domains of personality, intelligence, psychological interests, psychiatric illnesses, and social attitudes. These findings are consistent with those reported for the traits of other species and for many human physical traits, suggesting that they may represent a general biological phenomenon.

Table

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Evidence #2

Journal: Nature Genetics

Author: Poldernman, et al 2015

Abstract

  Reveal hidden contents

Despite a century of research on complex traits in humans, the relative importance and specific nature of the influences of genes and environment on human traits remain controversial. We report a meta-analysis of twin correlations and reported variance components for 17,804 traits from 2,748 publications including 14,558,903 partly dependent twin pairs, virtually all published twin studies of complex traits. Estimates of heritability cluster strongly within functional domains, and across all traits the reported heritability is 49%. For a majority (69%) of traits, the observed twin correlations are consistent with a simple and parsimonious model where twin resemblance is solely due to additive genetic variation. The data are inconsistent with substantial influences from shared environment or non-additive genetic variation. This study provides the most comprehensive analysis of the causes of individual differences in human traits thus far and will guide future gene-mapping efforts.

Excerpt 

  Reveal hidden contents

We have conducted a meta-analysis of virtually all twin studies published in the past 50 years, on a wide range of traits and reporting on more than 14 million twin pairs across 39 different countries. Our results provide compelling evidence that all human traits are heritable: not one trait had a weighted heritability estimate of zero.

 

Table

  Reveal hidden contents

 

The heritability estimate is given under “h²” . (The “c²” is shared environment).

 

Uncle's claim (2)

False.

[/quote]

 

Not my claim, not evidence of my claim either. classic misdirection. 

 

Quote

Humans were polygamous in evolutionary history

 

Citation: Hammer MF, Mendez FL, Cox MP, Woerner AE, Wall JD (2008) Sex-Biased Evolutionary Forces Shape Genomic Patterns of Human Diversity. PLoS
Genet 4(9): e1000202. doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.1000202

 

Abstract

  Reveal hidden contents

Comparisons of levels of variability on the autosomes and X chromosome can be used to test hypotheses about factors
influencing patterns of genomic variation. While a tremendous amount of nucleotide sequence data from across the
genome is now available for multiple human populations, there has been no systematic effort to examine relative levels of
neutral polymorphism on the X chromosome versus autosomes. We analyzed ,210 kb of DNA sequencing data
representing 40 independent noncoding regions on the autosomes and X chromosome from each of 90 humans from six
geographically diverse populations. We correct for differences in mutation rates between males and females by considering
the ratio of within-human diversity to human-orangutan divergence. We find that relative levels of genetic variation are
higher than expected on the X chromosome in all six human populations. We test a number of alternative hypotheses to
explain the excess polymorphism on the X chromosome, including models of background selection, changes in population
size, and sex-specific migration in a structured population. While each of these processes may have a small effect on the
relative ratio of X-linked to autosomal diversity, our results point to a systematic difference between the sexes in the
variance in reproductive success; namely, the widespread effects of polygyny in human populations. We conclude that
factors leading to a lower male versus female effective population size must be considered as important demographic
variables in efforts to construct models of human demographic history and for understanding the forces shaping patterns of human genomic variability
 

 

Author summary

  Reveal hidden contents

Author Summary
Like many primate species, the mating system of humans
is considered to be moderately polygynous (i.e., males
exhibit a higher variance in reproductive success than
females). As a consequence, males are expected to have a
lower effective population size (Ne) than females, and the
proportion of neutral genetic variation on the X chromosome (relative to the autosomes) should be higher than
expected under the assumption of strict neutrality and an
equal breeding sex ratio. We test for the effects of
polygyny by measuring levels of neutral polymorphism
at 40 independent loci on the X chromosome and
autosomes in six human populations. To correct for
mutation rate heterogeneity among loci, we divide our
diversity estimates within human populations by divergence with orangutan at each locus. Consistent with
expectations under a model of polygyny, we find elevated
levels of X-linked versus autosomal diversity. While it is
possible that multiple demographic processes may contribute to the observed patterns of genomic diversity (i.e.,
background selection, changes in population size, and sexspecific migration), we conclude that an historical excess
of breeding females over the number of breeding males
can by itself explain most of the observed increase in
effective population size of the X chromosome.
 

 

Excerpt

Data

  Reveal hidden contents

beta is the breeding ratio: female to male ie 2.792 females for every male in Africa:Yoruba

 

 

Another

Published in final edited form as:
Nat Genet. 2009 January ; 41(1): 66–70. doi:10.1038/ng.303
 

Abstract

  Reveal hidden contents

Comparisons of chromosome X and the autosomes can illuminate differences in the histories of
males and females as well as the forces of natural selection. We compared the patterns of variation
in these parts of the genome using two data sets that we assembled for this study that are both
genomic in scale. Three independent analyses show that around the time of the dispersal of
modern humans out of Africa, chromosome X experienced much more genetic drift than is
expected from the pattern on the autosomes. This is not predicted by known episodes of
demographic history, and we found no similar patterns associated with the dispersals into East
Asia and Europe. We conclude that a gender-biased process that reduced the female effective
population size, or an episode of natural selection unusually affecting chromosome X, was
associated with the founding of non-African populations.
 

 

 

Uncle's claim (3)

False: Marriage is a beneficial evolutionary behavior. 

Neuro Endocrinol Letters. 2002 Dec;23 Suppl 4:47-54.

Marriage: an evolutionary perspective.

Weisfeld GE¹, Weisfeld CC.

Abstract

Uncle also claimed  "Sexual Liberation" is necessary

Also False

 

 

Premarital Sex, Premarital Cohabitation, and the Risk of Subsequent Marital Dissolution Among Women

Teachman, 2003

 

Abstract

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Using nationally representative data from the 1995 National Survey of Family Growth, I estimate the association between intimate premarital relationships (premarital sex and premarital cohabitation) and subsequent marital dissolution. I extend previous research by considering relationship histories pertaining to both premarital sex and premarital cohabitation. I find that premarital sex or premarital cohabitation that is limited to a woman's husband is not associated with an elevated risk of marital disruption. However, women who have more than one intimate premarital relationship have an increased risk of marital dissolution. These results suggest that neither premarital sex nor premarital cohabitation by itself indicate either preexisting characteristics or subsequent relationship environments that weaken marriages. Indeed, the findings are consistent with the notion that premarital sex and cohabitation limited to one's future spouse has become part of the normal courtship process for marriage.

Again, total nonsense and not addressing the question of sexual partners. Whether woman X has sex with 100 men or 1 man, baby still has genes of 1 man only. So breeding ratios are irrelevant to # of sexual partners, which is totally a social factor.

Nowhere in these studies do authors make any specific claim to # of average sexual partners per female.

Classic failure to provide data about sexual partners. 

 

 

 

 

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Women with more sexual partners are more likely to divorce, more likely to have depression, more likely to get STDs, and are less likely to be happy. Those are some amazing benefits of "liberation".

 

What's even more funny is that Uncle claims he isn't a communist. He literally vomits back out Communist propaganda.

When the Bolsheviks came to power, one of their first targets was to attack marriage. See below:

  

If it talks like a commie, smells like a commie, and thinks like a commie: it is a commie. 

 

thats like saying brilliant, well educated people have more chances of depression than idiots who say 'ram nam satya hai' all day long. No $hit. Masquerading in this misogynistic hinduvta ideology, is the standard, insecure misogyny of a man who seeks to restrict women because it suits his needs better. 

Liberal women are more depressed, more prone to Stds ? so what ? modern man is more prone to depression, more prone to stds than vedic/christian/islamist fools.  If it talks like a wife-beater, smells like a wife beater,talks like one, it is a wife-beating caveman following caveman ideologies...o wait!

 

 

Edited June 30, 2017 by Muloghonto

[Muloghonto]

4 hours ago, Tibarn said:

 

Uncle's claim (4)

False

Divorce clearly has negative consequences on children

I already provided evidence for this in an earlier thread, Uncle knows that, but he was trying to be cute.

Visit the thread

http://www.indiancricketfans.com/forums/topic/97751-triple-talaq/#comment-3310778

I gave roughly a dozen studies that showed divorce having negative effects on children, from different countries across Europe. 

See them below

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Sweden

Gauffin et al.

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Parental divorce has a similar effect at causing Alcohol related illness and death in children as parental death and growing up in a low income home.

Canada(North America)

Bolgar et al.

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Young adult children of divorce reported more problems with submission/control. Children of divorce experienced problems with intimacy. 

Finland

Palosaari et al.

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24% of boys who experienced divorce at ages 7-12, 9% between 13 to 16, and 6% in young adulthood were depressive. Girls the impact was standard regardless of age. 

 

France

Roustit et al

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Children of divorce, as adults, report worse perceived General Health and Mental Health than children of interparental violence. A child of divorce is more likely to report a very poor/poor/ fair self health assessment in terms of general, physical and mental health than a good self assessment. 

 

Belgium 

Donath et al

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Parent separation/divorce has a significant relationship with adolescent suicide attempts

 

Sweden

Laftman et al

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Adolescents in non-traditional family types report worse subjective health than adolescents in intact families

 

Norway

Paananen et al

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Despite a 6.8% increase in divorce rate between 1997 and 2009, indicating a greater social acceptance, no signs of attenuated effects on mental health were observed.

 

Sweden

Lindstrom et al

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Parental separation/divorce in childhood was with few exceptions significantly associated with ever having had suicide thoughts with the highest odds ratios for those who
had experienced parental separation during ages 0–4 years. Parental separation/divorce in childhood was
significantly associated with suicide attempts among men who had experienced parental separation/
divorce at ages 0–4 and 15–18, and among women at any age 0–18.

 

Sweden

Bergström et al

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Living in a nuclear family was positively associated with almost all aspects of wellbeing in comparison to
children with separated parents. Children in joint physical custody experienced more positive outcomes, in terms
of subjective wellbeing, family life and peer relations, than children living mostly or only with one parent.

 

Denmark

Nielsen et al

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Childhood exposure to SFLE, especially parental divorce
seems to increase the risk of infectious disease hospitalization.

 

Sweden

Rosen et al

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even when a wide range of demographic and socioeconomic circumstances are included in multivariate models, children
of single parents still have increased risks of mortality, severe morbidity, and injury.

 

Norway

Størksen et al

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Parental divorce was prospectively associated with a relative change in anxiety and depression, subjective well-being, self-esteem, and school problems. Considering boys separately, parental divorce was prospectively associated only with school problems. Amongthe girls, divorce was prospectively associated with all variables. The effect of divorce on relative change was
partially mediated by paternal absence.

 

Finland

Korkeila et al

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Major events such as divorce can negativelly effect optimisim at adult age  even if education, living
alone, recent life events, somatic health and depressive mood were taken into account.

All pertaining to parents lacking ability to handle divorce and kids brought up properly, which is why there is also evidence of kids being perfectly fine in divorced settings too. 

Nothing more than chauvinism at hand.

 

 

 

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Uncle's claim (5)

False

The research shows criminals self-identify as left wing/liberal.

This I already showed as well. Uncle remembers this as well, as it was in a thread he created, he just refuses to have any integrity. 

http://www.indiancricketfans.com/forums/topic/99506-about-time-sc-banned-shiv-sena-bajrang-dal-and-rss/?page=2

Table 1

Political violence has overall been in decline since 1966-1970.

 

Overall, over the same time period, viewing incidents of political violence and number of deaths from those incidents, comparing 5 states, the proverbial "Hindutva laboratory" or "RSS playground" in Gujarat, has lesser incidents and casualties than RSS-free zones such as WB or even TN. What is noteworthy is that the other four states chosen, until the most recent Assam election, have never had a BJP government. The BJP topped out as a junior partner under the JDU in Bihar.  

 

Visualizing the data for the 3 major "national" parties, the BJP, the RSS political wing, has less incidents and less casualties than the other two national parties. The INC had the largest number of incidents, and the Communists had significantly greater body count. 

 

Temporal distribution of deaths from political violence shows that it has been in decline in India since the 1966-1970 band, in general, for all three national parties. 

 

The statistical analysis shows that the violence that occurs under the INC or BJP-RSS is independent of political power; putting it another way, whether the INC or the BJP-RSS is in power, their levels of political violence and the deaths caused are not significantly effected. On the other hand, the Communists have a significant statistical correlation between power and violence. When the communists are in power, their levels of violence and the number of deaths increase. 

 

Going to overall terrorism data:

0.5% of all incidents considered terrorism in India, were related to Hindus or Hinduism as an ideology, over the time period of 1972-2014. (Note: Northeast violence includes Christian).

 

Using the last 15 years as a more recent time-frame of data, a similar trend is found, with 0.7% of fatalities being "saffron."

 

Using riot data from 2012, based on 2012 CMs. 

Rank	State	Riots Rate (per 100,000 population) 2012
1	Kerala	31.4	INC
2	Assam	16.3	INC
3	Lakshadweep	13.0
4	Karnataka	12.5	BJP
5	Jammu and Kashmir	11.8	NC
6	Bihar	10.9	JDU
7	Puducherry	8.6
8	Maharashtra	7.7	INC
9	West Bengal	7.3	TMC
10	Jharkhand	7.3	BJP
11	Himachal Pradesh	7.2	BJP
12	Goa	6.7	BJP
**	All India Average	6.2
13	Haryana	5.5	INC
14	Odisha	5.3	BJD
15	Tamil Nadu	4.6	AIADMK
16	Chhattisgarh	3.7	BJP
17	Uttarakhand	3.6	INC
18	Tripura	3.5	CPM
19	Sikkim	3.5	SDF
20	Daman and Diu	3.2
21	Chandigarh	3.2
22	Manipur	2.9	INC
23	Gujarat	2.9	BJP
24	Dadra and Nagar Haveli	2.9
25	Uttar Pradesh	2.8	SP
26	Madhya Pradesh	2.6	BJP
27	Andhra Pradesh	2.2	INC
28	Arunachal Pradesh	2.2	INC
29	Andaman and Nicobar Islands	1.6
30	Rajasthan	0.8	INC
31	Delhi	0.4	INC
32	Mizoram	0.1	INC
33	Nagaland	0.1	NPF
34	Punjab	0.0	SAD
35	Meghalaya	0.0	I

here doesn't seem to be a particular trend. 

 

On a global scale over the previous decade (2001-2010):

The idea that "Saffron Terror" is any significant threat, is not borne out by the evidence. Secular organizations are far more dangerous.

 

Carrying on with a global scale: Research was done by Criminologists on political ideology and crime in the research journal: Personality and Individual Differences (2016). 

Based on the colloquial English use of the terms "conservative" as a proxy of "right" and "liberal" as "left": self identified right wing people are significantly less likely to commit crime in general. This relationship was found to be both significant and linear: the further right someone identifies, the less likely they are to commit any crime, and the further left someone is, the more likely they are to commit a crime.

The crimes that were measured in this research were:

 

 

 

The association was true within subgroups as well, with demographic controls used. This means that, for example, among "White" women, the more left one considered herself, the more likely she was to have committed a crime.   

 

In terms of Moral Science Research:

This appears to be because those identified as "left" focus only on two of five moral systems (fairness and caring), while those identified as "right" use five of five (fairness, caring, loyalty, respect, sanctity).  

 

Further research also shows:

Those that self-identify as "right" are more likely to value order and authority which likely insulate them from criminal behavior. 

 

 

The data and trends are pretty clear: terrorism and crime, whether in India or Globally, is not derived from and does not stem from "right-wing" Hindu groups at any major level. Before an objective person can argue that "right-wing" Hindu groups are to be banned, one must first ban Left-Wing, Islamic, Christian, Khalistani, Tribal, Ethnic, Secular-Political etc groups, whether in India or globally.

 

If one were to target the RSS, thereby effectively targeting BJP, one would have to first target Communists and the INC, and other parties who claim to be of similar ideology to those two National parties, before targeting the BJP-RSS combine. That is, if the goal was to prevent, terrorism, improve law and order, etc.

 

 

Let's see your data and research Uncle. Don't give me that webMD sh*t or other trash as "references". Either give me peer-reviewed references, admit you were wrong, or don't respond if you're desperate to save face. Either way, your opinions mean nothing to me when not backed up by data.

 

 

 

 

 

 

left wing!= commies = liberals for most of the world. Kiddo does a typical India-specific misdirection, since left wing are liberal in india. Liberal party of Canada are != commies. Ergo, calling liberals = left wing = commies is no more of an oversimplified obfuscation than religious = terrorist. 

 

Edited June 30, 2017 by Muloghonto

[Tibarn]

Let's dispel another of Uncle's often repeated myths

 

Uncle says

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You can't prove a negative

False

One can prove a negative. 

https://departments.bloomu.edu/philosophy/pages/content/hales/articlepdf/proveanegative.pdf

Steven Hales is a Professor of Philosophy at Bloomsburg University, Pennsylvania.

Spoiler

A principle of folk logic is that one can’t prove a negative.

...

But there is one big, fat problem with all this. Among professional logicians, guess how many think that you can’t prove a negative? That’s right: zero. Yes, Virginia, you can prove a negative, and it’s easy, too. For one thing, a real, actual law of logic is a negative, namely the law of non-contradiction. 

...

Not only that, but any claim can be expressed as a negative, thanks to the rule of double negation. This rule states that any proposition P is logically equivalent to not-not-P. So pick anything you think you can prove. Think you can prove your own existence? At least to your own satisfaction? Then, using the exact same reasoning, plus the little step of double negation you, can prove that you aren’t nonexistent.

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So why is it that people insist that you can’t prove a negative?I think it is the result of two things. (1) an acknowledgement that induction is not bulletproof, airtight, and infallible, and (2) a desperate desire to keep believing whatever one believes, even if all the evidence is against it.

 

Uncle: Logicians are Sanghis. Logic is a Hindutva conspiracy.   

 

This is the level of Uncle's understanding of logic: 

Person 1: I don't have a nuclear weapon in my right pant pocket.

Uncle: You can't prove a negative. Therefore you lose. 

Person 1: Seriously Uncle, I can pull out all of the things from my right pant pocket and show them to you. I can even turn my right pant pocket inside out, in case you have trust issues.

Uncle: F**k You Sanghi, you can't prove a negative. I learned my logic from Lahore, therefore you are a lying Hindutva.

 

 

 ^ Ghanta  I think I nailed his character perfectly in my script. 

 

Another study for his claim that

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Women need sexual liberation

Arch Sex Behav. 2013 Jul; 42(5): 863–872.

Published online 2013 Feb 12. 

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The Relationship Between Multiple Sex Partners and Anxiety, Depression, and Substance Dependence Disorders: A Cohort Study

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The results showed that, taking into account prior disorder status, increasing number of sex partners was associated with a striking increase in later substance dependence disorders, especially for women.

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Other studies have shown a similar relationship in the reverse direction, that with frequent and heavy drinking, there is a greater likelihood of risk taking, including having multiple sex partners (e.g., Cavazos-Rehg et al., 2007; Dogan, Stockdale, Widaman, & Conger, 2010; Ferguson & Lynsky, 1996; Lavan & Johnson, 2002; Valois, Oeltmann, Waller, & Hussey, 1999; Zenilman, Hook, Shepherd, Rompalo, & Celentano, 1994). Our study examined substance use at a disorder level and established that the association persisted beyond prior substance use and prior mental health problems more generally. Further, there appeared to be a “dose–response” relation with number of partners. That is, the risk of substance dependence disorder increased with increasing number of sex partners. It was also present at each age for women. These associations were not confounded by socioeconomic status, age at first coitus, or a history of STIs.

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Other studies have examined prospectively early age at first intercourse and subsequent substance dependence disorders. McGue and Iacono (2005) reported that sexual intercourse in early adolescence was associated with later substance use disorder. Cornelius et al. (2007) also found that early age at first sex for men predicted later substance disorder, for both alcohol and cannabis. 

 

 

I'm still waiting on the university research Uncle promised me months ago 

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, Tibarn said:

 

I'm still waiting on the university research Uncle promised me months ago 

Still waiting for an article that talks about number of sex partners for human history. No point in the article it talked about # of sex partners.

 

As usual,nothing more than a mountain of obfuscation to keep misogyny alive. 

[Tibarn]

Runaway Uncle promised to provide evidence, he lied.  

On 4/13/2017 at 5:42 PM, Muloghonto said:

I've said it many times- unless you can present evidence to back up your claim, you won't get any from me.

 

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/ 　 づ

 

[Muloghonto]

45 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

Runaway Uncle promised to provide evidence, he lied.  

 

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/ 　 づ

 

Provide evidence for # of average sexual partners as asked many months ago. Sex ratio is not # of sex partners.

Nowhere in your 'citation' does it talk of sex partners.

 

[HemuChandra]

On 4/12/2017 at 1:21 PM, Muloghonto said:

What the hell is a Jatt who are mostly rural farmers, gonna do in Bengal anyways ?

But last i checked, people who move around a lot for trade related crap- there are more Gujjus, Marwaris and Punjabis in Bengal than vice-versa. 

Should tell you where Bongs prefer living.

Why are you trying to Divide Bharat into Bong,Tamil, Hindi Belt.

Edited July 1, 2017 by HemuChandra

[HemuChandra]

15 hours ago, Tibarn said:

Ghanta  I think I nailed his character perfectly in my script

He is suffering from political correctness. Anyway a Mlechha is a Mleccha his opinion dosent matter because mlecchas are going to be f*ked anyway.

Edited July 1, 2017 by HemuChandra

[HemuChandra]

On 4/12/2017 at 1:51 PM, Muloghonto said:

What about them ? Show us where they said Amartya Sen is a dimwitted fellow.

ofcourse, trust a Jatt to think topping ISC is 'nothing'. 

 

I asked you to show us what Jatts have ever done. Still waiting. 

If we Bongs live on our past credit, you guys have zero credit to begin with!

 

 

These Inventions Made By Your so called Hindi Belt=

Source=http://www.oyehoye.com/ancient-indian-inventions/,http://www.storypick.com/20-clever-inventions-probably-didnt-know-made-indians/

India has to its credit one of the oldest civilization in the world. There are a lot of significant contributions that India has made to the world in the field of art, science, mathematics and so on. A lot of modern day inventions are based on the principals that were created in India right from the mythological age. Take a look at the amazing ancient Indian inventions that changed the world today.

1. The number system was invented in India. Aryabhatta invented Zero

15. Flush Toilets

Flush toilets were first used in the Indus Valley Civilization. These existed in most homes and were connected to a sophisticated sewage mechanism. The civilization was prominent in hydraulic engineering.

 

16. Binary Code

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Binary numbers were first described by Pingala (c. 200 BC). Pingala is the traditional name of the author of the Chandaḥśāstra, the earliest known Sanskrit treatise on prosody.

 

17. Ink

Many ancient cultures and civilizations independently discovered and prepared ink for writing purposes. The source of carbon pigment used in Indian Ink (called musi) used in ancient India, was India. Since 4th century BC, the practice of writing with ink with a sharp pointed needle was common in South India.

 

18. Steel & Metal works

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Ancient Indians were pioneers in metallurgy. High quality steel was produced, almost two thousand years before it was understood by the West. One of the most remarkable feat in metallurgy: creating a seamless celestial globe, was invented in Kashmir. It was earlier considered impossible to create a metal globe without seams.

So thanks to India, Iron Man can wear his suit now.

 

19. Fiber Optics

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Named as one of the 7 ‘Unsung Heroes’ by Fortune Magazine, Dr. Narinder Singh Kapany, is widely recognized as the ‘Father of Fiber Optics’ for his pioneering work in Fiber Optics technology. Watch him speak eloquently on his entrepreneurial journey.

 

20. Plastic Surgery

 

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8. Fibonacci Numbers

The Fibonacci numbers were first described by Virahanka, Gopala  and Hemachandra as an outgrowth of earlier writings by Pingala.

 

9. Decimal System, Quadratic formula and Zero!

It was in 7th century CE when Brahmagupta found the first general formula for solving quadratic equations. The decimal system (or the Hindu number system), which was a precursor of the Arabic numeric system, was developed in India between the 1st and 6th centuries CE.

 

10. Suits Game

The popular game of cards originated from India & was known as Krida-patram (which literally means “painted rags for playing”).

 

11. Cataract Surgery

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Indian physician Sushruta (6th century BCE) had the knowledge of performing cataract surgery. It spread to China from India. Greek scientists would visit India to get operations done and also to learn the nitty-gritties.

 

12. Diamond Mining

Worldwide, India was the only source of diamonds until the discovery of mines in Brazil in the 18th century. Almost 5000 years ago, diamonds were first recognized and mined in central India.

 

Yes, you heard it right. Indians were pioneers in Plastic Surgery too. It was carried out in India as early as 2000 BCE.

So, we’ve always been a cool country. 

  History is testimony to it. So what’s stopping you from being innovative? Go, win the world.

 

 

[Muloghonto]

16 minutes ago, HemuChandra said:

He is suffering from political correctness. Anyway a Mlechha is a Mleccha his opinion dosent matter because mlecchas are going to be f*ked anyway.

another backwards thinking Hinduvta alert !

 

I am not suffering form political correctness. I have no time for goobledegook from ancient men who knew less about practically everything than a grade 7 kid today. Doesn't matter if they were hindu, christian, muslim or jew. I don't prostate myself at the feet of people who are practically cavemen in comparison.

[HemuChandra]

2 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

another backwards thinking Hinduvta alert

To combat Islam you need to be a barbarian for them best examples=Mongols,Crusader States,Chicoms(China).Anyway your opinion dosen't matter.