Tendulkar convinces shastri to apply

[mishra]

2 minutes ago, kosingh said:

What kind of politics do you think Kumble played?

He chose to speak with CoA and media when BCCI was thumping its chest that it will not participate in CT unless ICC/Manohar accept BCCI's position, when he should have kept his mouth shut. It was none of his business.

Post that, BCCI did very well to get $405 million and keeping its freedom on bilateral series fixture and postponing proposed test leagues most Indian matches till 2021.

Guha is gone, Kumble is gone, Some more Manohar men will be culled, BCCI will make peace with Rajastahn Cricket, Karnataka Cricket, Kochi Tuskers, CSK. Once Lodha is sorted (before 2021) , I suspect BCCI will go after ICC by 2021.

[mishra]

22 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

There is no evidence for Kumble playing politics while in his role as a coach.  

Coach's should not be used as pawns for fight between BCCI and COA and if I am not mistaken BCCI themselves chose Kumble over Shastri last year 

http://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/anil-kumble-could-be-in-big-trouble-over-icc-champions-trophy-this-is-why/story-D39SVkCQCzqqCEA30JXtpK.html

Quote

Anil Kumble could be in big trouble over ICC Champions Trophy. This is why

As some top Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) officials mull a boycott of the ICC Champions Trophy over its tussle with the world body, coach Anil Kumble has come under fire from officials for supporting India’s participation.

Kohli may be on BCCI side.

[Vilander]

17 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

Is there anyone who seriously think Shastri wasn't applying the moment Kumble quit.

 

Sachin asked him lol.Give me a break.

yeah sashtri uncle prima donna always.

[Vilander]

19 minutes ago, mishra said:

He chose to speak with CoA and media when BCCI was thumping its chest that it will not participate in CT unless ICC/Manohar accept BCCI's position, when he should have kept his mouth shut. It was none of his business.

Post that, BCCI did very well to get $405 million and keeping its freedom on bilateral series fixture and postponing proposed test leagues most Indian matches till 2021.

Guha is gone, Kumble is gone, Some more Manohar men will be culled, BCCI will make peace with Rajastahn Cricket, Karnataka Cricket, Kochi Tuskers, CSK. Once Lodha is sorted (before 2021) , I suspect BCCI will go after ICC by 2021.

yeah the Guha Kumble angle, Kumble should have just stayed away and not done any 'namma' 'namma' crap. He lost a bit with BCCI because of that, but i guess he speaks his mind good guy but wrong time to speak and wrong company to keep.

[bleaf27]

15 minutes ago, mishra said:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/anil-kumble-could-be-in-big-trouble-over-icc-champions-trophy-this-is-why/story-D39SVkCQCzqqCEA30JXtpK.html

Kohli may be on BCCI side.

The article is not relevant , I am not sure what you are trying to point at.   It does not matter who's on who's side.  Management should be seperate from Politics.   Coach should have no bearing on taking sides internally to gain favor and be selected. 

 

If "India coach Anil Kumble’s reported approach to the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) stating that his team is keen to participate in the ICC Champions Trophy has apparently put him in a tight spot among the cricket officials."  -     Nothing wrong in this , what's the big deal ?

[Rasgulla]

Shastri and sachin are business partners in some ventures 

 

About time sachin has always backed shastri when ever he needs it

 

Huge conflict of interest here

[maniac]

5 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Shastri and sachin are business partners in some ventures 

 

About time sachin has always backed shastri when ever he needs it

 

Huge conflict of interest here

Any links to back that claim....links to your pichwaada doesn't qualify.

[Rasgulla]

18 minutes ago, maniac said:

Any links to back that claim....links to your pichwaada doesn't qualify.

Tu rehne de... LOl 

 

You won't even agree that Bunty and rohit are related  yeh right...you ll agree with your reality of you gawddd 

[mishra]

29 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

The article is not relevant , I am not sure what you are trying to point at.   It does not matter who's on who's side.  Management should be seperate from Politics.   Coach should have no bearing on taking sides internally to gain favor and be selected. 

 

If "India coach Anil Kumble’s reported approach to the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) stating that his team is keen to participate in the ICC Champions Trophy has apparently put him in a tight spot among the cricket officials."  -     Nothing wrong in this , what's the big deal ?

BBCI was asking $570 -611 million. Was given $293 million. A loss of around $300 million along with prestige and power. This is not joke. icf was full of threads at time, just a reflection of how grave the situation was. However stupid you are if you are a national Coach, you dont speak on such matters. I am 100% certain Kumble is not stupid. He knew exactly what he was doing when news came in media about him approaching BCCI to participate in CT.

 

Lets go by sequence of event.

1. Kumble asks raise for everyone including players via a presentation infront of CoA+BCCI. Means: He was certain that his tenure will be extended.

2. After BCCI ICC CT fiasco, Guha Gone (CoA becomes 3-1 loss of 30% head)

3. BCCI invites new Coach applications.

 

 

You got to ask why Guha in his farewell letter was so critical of everyone including Kohli except Kumble? Why do you think Kumble resignation coincided with CoA= Vinod Rai being very appreciative of Amitabh Choudhary in dealing with ICC. Things change quickly in political circus. Just connect dots

[bleaf27]

7 minutes ago, mishra said:

BBCI was asking $570 -611 million. Was given $293 million. A loss of around $300 million along with prestige and power. This is not joke. icf was full of threads at time, just a reflection of how grave the situation was. However stupid you are if you are a national Coach, you dont speak on such matters. I am 100% certain Kumble is not stupid. He knew exactly what he was doing when news came in media about him approaching BCCI to participate in CT.

 

Lets go by sequence of event.

1. Kumble asks raise for everyone including players via a presentation infront of CoA+BCCI. Means: He was certain that his tenure will be extended.

2. After BCCI ICC CT fiasco, Guha Gone (CoA becomes 3-1 loss of 30% head)

3. BCCI invites new Coach applications.

 

 

You got to ask why Guha in his farewell letter was so critical of everyone including Kohli except Kumble? Why do you think Kumble resignation coincided with CoA= Vinod Rai being very appreciative of Amitabh Choudhary in dealing with ICC. Things change quickly in political circus. Just connect dots

I know the BCCI- ICC schpeel  -  Kumble makes a statement about the Indian Cricketers are "Eager" to play -  Fair enough - it wasn't his position to make that statement ,  Does that make a him a bad coach ?  Not necessarily , a bad PR guy but not a bad coach.   Definitely if may have put him in the hotbox in the BCCI -  but is BCCI so petty that it will go after people who made a silly statement rather than their coaching ability ?

So all in all , all the points that you've made sounds like the BCCI camp won in the end and because Kumble was out of favor from that camp , he was axed . BCCI's working is no different from any other mafia then now is it ?    Kumble advocating fpor a raise isn't a crime - It wasn't done behind closed doors - he made it public.

 

[mishra]

10 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

I know the BCCI- ICC schpeel  -  Kumble makes a statement about the Indian Cricketers are "Eager" to play -  Fair enough - it wasn't his position to make that statement ,  Does that make a him a bad coach ?  Not necessarily , a bad PR guy but not a bad coach.   Definitely if may have put him in the hotbox in the BCCI -  but is BCCI so petty that it will go after people who made a silly statement rather than their coaching ability ?

So all in all , all the points that you've made sounds like the BCCI camp won in the end and because Kumble was out of favor from that camp , he was axed . BCCI's working is no different from any other mafia then now is it ?    Kumble advocating fpor a raise isn't a crime - It wasn't done behind closed doors - he made it public.

 

Kumble advocating raise meant he was certain that BCCI will accept it if not he was at least certain that his tenure will be extended with fair amount of bonus/raise.

For BCCI, It was more like sending a signal. However brilliant you are, know your limits and don't hurt BCCI interests. Both Corporate and Mafia look after their own interest. Its the manner they look after their interest and punishment they give differ. Kumble has been punished standard corporate way. I dont see any Mafia style in it.

[beetle]

24 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

I know the BCCI- ICC schpeel  -  Kumble makes a statement about the Indian Cricketers are "Eager" to play -  Fair enough - it wasn't his position to make that statement ,  Does that make a him a bad coach ?  Not necessarily , a bad PR guy but not a bad coach.   Definitely if may have put him in the hotbox in the BCCI -  but is BCCI so petty that it will go after people who made a silly statement rather than their coaching ability ?

So all in all , all the points that you've made sounds like the BCCI camp won in the end and because Kumble was out of favor from that camp , he was axed . BCCI's working is no different from any other mafia then now is it ?    Kumble advocating fpor a raise isn't a crime - It wasn't done behind closed doors - he made it public.

 

BCCI was upset with kumble .

Players were upset with kumble .

Both got together to make sure kumble did not get a second term .

Kumble's term was over. He was not fired. His term was not extended based on his unpopularity with the players he was expected to coach. 

 

Had players been happy with kumble, they would not have complained and BCCI would have had a tough time not extending kumble's tenure considering his status and the team results ( for which the media is conveniently giving kumble all the credit , like he turned a team of donkeys into stallions .It was home series....they would have done well even if kumble was not around )

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vilander]

23 hours ago, maniac said:

Sachin just didn't Vouch he threw the kitchen sink at the CAC to get out of that pressure cooker situation 

well 'this one could go down to the wire.'

[Vilander]

On 6/28/2017 at 2:35 PM, maniac said:

Also what is this Mumbaikar theory....seriously??? The only 2 Mumbaikars in the side are Rahane and Rohit and both pretty much pick themselves...so unless Sandhu suddenly pops up and opens the bowling I will call bs on that theory

 

[bleaf27]

On 6/28/2017 at 2:40 PM, Vijy said:

Also depends on whether Kohli and co like him I guess; we dont' need another Kohli-Kumble spat.

Well if there is indeed another spat - then Kohli should be taken off the captaincy , as if there aren't enough reasons already 

[Vilander]

5 hours ago, beetle said:

BCCI was upset with kumble .

Players were upset with kumble .

Both got together to make sure kumble did not get a second term .

Kumble's term was over. He was not fired. His term was not extended based on his unpopularity with the players he was expected to coach. 

 

Had players been happy with kumble, they would not have complained and BCCI would have had a tough time not extending kumble's tenure considering his status and the team results ( for which the media is conveniently giving kumble all the credit , like he turned a team of donkeys into stallions .It was home series....they would have done well even if kumble was not around )

 

 

 

 

 

 

nailed it.

[Vilander]

7 hours ago, Rasgulla said:

Shastri and sachin are business partners in some ventures 

 

About time sachin has always backed shastri when ever he needs it

 

Huge conflict of interest here

Yes absolutely. But since they are from Mumbai they can not be doubted , they are above all this. Thats reserved for barbarians bengali/kannada/tamil/telugu etc.

[gattaca]

i hear lot of calls for moody what about pybus.

[Vilander]

13 hours ago, gattaca said:

i hear lot of calls for moody what about pybus.

everyone sorts knows the position is for sifarishi candidate ( read cheerleader) so dont care.

[Sandeep99]

They should make it easier and name the Indian side 'Punbai'. Let the rest of the country play for a different team. They may lose, but they will get their chances.