This is torturous

[Laaloo]

29 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Both math and cricketing knowledge lacking in this post.

 

If 300 is par and your team has played at a RR of 4 till 40 over then you need to play at a higher SR than 100. You need the SR of a Jdhav.  Dhoni was shown up like the pedestrian he has been for last 3 years by Jadhav yesterday.

Don't expect a reply for this post 

[BeautifulGame]

 

Wrong there is one valid reason to criticise his innings today. The reason is his strike rate was poor for most part of his inning almost matching rahane and while catching up with SR came off today it wouldn't always. He would get halwa bowlers of west Indies. He needs to maintain run a ball from the start of his innings. 5 dots(or lunges) one release is not going to work against better teams.

 

 

 

 

Just to add.

 

 

No one should be praising this knock either.This is against the club level WIndies bowlers in a meaningless series frankly I don't give a f about.

 

 

What is nonsense is criticizing this knock .Same with the Rahane knocks earlier in the series.Meaningless knocks in a meaningless series.

 

 

But criticizing his knock today though is ridiculous particularly for not reaching 300 lol.If anyone is at fault today it were clearly Yuvi and Rahane inability up their strike rate once set.

 

 

[MechEng]

Rahane brings back the retro feel to ODIs.

[DDfan2017]

8 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Does it look like a modern day patta pitch to u

Whatever be the pitch condition, 25 of 50 is not justified. Any average batsman should be able to maintain a strike rate of above 80 with singles n twos if boundaries r hard to come by.. Dhoni can't even rotate strike. It's okay only when Dhoni stays till the last over. But if he gets out at 25 off 50, that totally shatters any chance of big score.. and he is no Superman that he can't get out.. that's why it's said u should keep on rotating the strike which Dhoni badly fails to do these days. If Jadhav can bat at a strike rate of 150 in 20 balls, why can't Dhoni maintain 80-100 strike rate for first 25-30 deliveries?

[DDfan2017]

9 hours ago, Rasgulla said:

This is not patta man... 250 is more than enough

 

 

Woh toh against WI, 180 is also enough... that doesn't mean 250 would b enough against any other nation. And Dhoni's approach won't get more than 250 ever on such slow pitches.

[SK_IH]

dhoni cannot rotate agnst any thing turning away from him,he can be major handicap if we chase anything close to 300 because his game has regressed quite a lot

infact i say he is becoming a batsman for this type of ordinary pitches,where he can dictate terms like the sf wkt at cardiff eng missed a batsman like dhoni, i dont mind having one such batsman in the lineup but he cannot have a fixed slot in batting ,on flat wkts this version of dhoni can be liability

[DDfan2017]

3 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

 

 

 

 

You said it's a par 300 wicket .Dhoni scored at a SR of 100 and 1/3rd of the team runs.

 

 

 

 

Please do tell us who wasted tuk tuking and needed Jadhav to come score to 150 SR so that we could reach just about 250.It definitely ain't Dhoni.

 

 

 

 

Dhoni came in after 26th over with score at 100 and is the Man of the match today ffs.

 

 

 

 

As I said only reason to criticize Dhoni knock today is just because of agenda driven bitterness .Continue with the bitterness .

 

 

It's not always that Dhoni would come in 26th over, bat with strike rate of 50 till 45 overs then accelerate and take his strike rate to 100 and take team's score to a competitive one, keep in mind, competitive one, not winning one, as we saw against Srilanka in CT.

And if he gets out between 40-45 overs with a strike rate of 50, that shatters all chances of even a competitive score. And he is no Superman that he will always play till 50 overs.

It's not yesterday's innings of Dhoni, but his approach to build an innings, whether yesterday or most games in last 3 yrs, is what concerns us.. and that concern is not out of bitterness towards Dhoni.

If Dhoni looks for more singles and twos right from the start of the innings, score at 85-95 strike rate for first 50 deliveries, then he can finish with a strike rate of 130-150 if he stays till 50 overs...and even if he gets out between 40-45 overs with a strike rate of 85-100, that still gives India a better chance to post a big total, which will never b possible if he gets out with a strike rate of 50.

However, this scenario holds good only when he comes to bat around 25-30 overs.. if he comes after 35 overs, he can't look to score at 85-100 strike rate... He needs to accelerate right from the start...

Edited July 1, 2017 by DDfan2017

[BeautifulGame]

It's not always that Dhoni would come in 26th over, bat with strike rate of 50 till 45 overs then accelerate and take his strike rate to 100 and take team's score to a competitive one, keep in mind, competitive one, not winning one, as we saw against Srilanka in CT.

And if he gets out between 40-45 overs with a strike rate of 50, that shatters all chances of even a competitive score. And he is no Superman that he will always play till 50 overs.

It's not yesterday's innings of Dhoni, but his approach to build an innings, whether yesterday or most games in last 3 yrs, is what concerns us.. and that concern is not out of bitterness towards Dhoni.

If Dhoni looks for more singles and twos right from the start of the innings, score at 85-95 strike rate for first 50 deliveries, then he can finish with a strike rate of 130-150 if he stays till 50 overs...and even if he gets out between 40-45 overs with a strike rate of 85-100, that still gives India a better chance to post a big total, which will never b possible if he gets out with a strike rate of 50.

However, this scenario holds good only when he comes to bat around 25-30 overs.. if he comes after 35 overs, he can't look to score at 85-100 strike rate... He needs to accelerate right from the start...

 He is definitely too slow to start off and that could cost us in the future against strong bowling attacks.But that's how somehow the entire team is batting nowadays

 

 

 

 

But not today though.Unlike everyone else he made for it like every good knock would be.The problem is that Rahane and Yuvi couldn't.

 

 

No offence what exactly is in that post that I haven't already mentioned in earlier one.

 

Now tell me how Yuvi tuk tuking at a SR of 70s and Rahane at 60s is not in fault for reaching 300 but Dhoni who came after 26 overs at score of 100 (Run rate less than 4) and ended up with a SR of 100 is at fault ?

 

Yes Dhoni needs to up his SR but did his job yesterday isn't he? Or you saying Rahane and Yuvi inability is not at fault but Dhoni is .If so yes anyone who does that is critizing out of pure bitterness .

 

And if you haven't noticed the OP is about yesterday's match .And the whole argument is about yesterday's match.

 

 

 

[Sidhoni]

Cribbing about a MOTM performance

 

[Sidhoni]

 I think we are not getting too much of an opportunity because the top-order has been batting really well in the last 1 and a half years. It feels good to go out there and score some runs. If we are in the same situation in the coming games, we will get 15-20 runs more. There was variable bounce and pace on the wicket.

^

From the presentation

 

Also he was 10(13) then hit on the glove, slowed down great deal after that. Maybe he was in some pain.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, DDfan2017 said:

Woh toh against WI, 180 is also enough... that doesn't mean 250 would b enough against any other nation. And Dhoni's approach won't get more than 250 ever on such slow pitches.

on such slow pitches.......250 is still a decent score. N did he alone had to score all the runs what did that set batsman do at 60 s/r ....

Almost 200 balls have been wasted by other batsman 

 

What do u expect a 350.......

 

A complain against a 100 s/r on slow sluggish pitch is like- ha mujhe dhoni pasand nhin ab usne perform kr diya to kuch to keeda nikalunga

[DDfan2017]

2 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

No offence what exactly is in that post that I haven't already mentioned in earlier one.

 

Now tell me how Yuvi tuk tuking at a SR of 70s and Rahane at 60s is not in fault for reaching 300 but Dhoni who came after 26 overs at score of 100 (Run rate less than 4) and ended up with a SR of 100 is at fault ?

 

Yes Dhoni needs to up his SR but did his job yesterday isn't he? Or you saying Rahane and Yuvi inability is not at fault but Dhoni is .If so yes anyone who does that is critizing out of pure bitterness .

 

And if you haven't noticed the OP is about yesterday's match .And the whole argument is about yesterday's match.

 

 

 

Yesterday's match is just an example of how Dhoni has been batting these days. He needs to rotate strike at the start of his innings.. 

And the less said about Rahane and Yuvi is better. Rahane has never been an odi batsman and he will definitely make way for Rahul or Rohit very soon. And Yuvi is being forced into the side and will most probably make way for Manish once he is fit.. 

However, Yuvi and Rahane played worse doesn't make Dhoni a better performer..

[DDfan2017]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

on such slow pitches.......250 is still a decent score. N did he alone had to score all the runs what did that set batsman do at 60 s/r ....

Almost 200 balls have been wasted by other batsman 

 

What do u expect a 350.......

 

A complain against a 100 s/r on slow sluggish pitch is like- ha mujhe dhoni pasand nhin ab usne perform kr diya to kuch to keeda nikalunga

Other batsmen, viz Yuvi and Rahane played worse than Dhoni doesn't make Dhoni's effort a great one. The way he hits in the final overs, if he could only rotate the strike a bit more and maintain a strike rate of 85-90 from the start, he can end up with strike rate of 120-130 and that would help team's cause too. Neither the west Indian attack was so strong nor the pitch was so venomous that u need to score 25 off 50 deliveries..

[BeautifulGame]

Other batsmen, viz Yuvi and Rahane played worse than Dhoni doesn't make Dhoni's effort a great one. The way he hits in the final overs, if he could only rotate the strike a bit more and maintain a strike rate of 85-90 from the start, he can end up with strike rate of 120-130 and that would help team's cause too. Neither the west Indian attack was so strong nor the pitch was so venomous that u need to score 25 off 50 deliveries..

 

Sigh.Where did I say Dhoni did a great job?

 

I hate to quote my post again but ...

 

 

 No one should be praising this knock either.This is against the club level WIndies bowlers in a meaningless series frankly I don't give a f about.

 

 

 

 

What is nonsense is criticizing this knock .Same with the Rahane knocks earlier in the series.Meaningless knocks in a meaningless series.

 

 

 

 

But criticizing his knock today though is ridiculous particularly for not reaching 300 lol.If anyone is at fault today it were clearly Yuvi and Rahane inability up their strike rate once set.

 

 

 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

30 minutes ago, DDfan2017 said:

Other batsmen, viz Yuvi and Rahane played worse than Dhoni doesn't make Dhoni's effort a great one. The way he hits in the final overs, if he could only rotate the strike a bit more and maintain a strike rate of 85-90 from the start, he can end up with strike rate of 120-130 and that would help team's cause too. Neither the west Indian attack was so strong nor the pitch was so venomous that u need to score 25 off 50 deliveries..

I think no one here denies he is struggling and every player goes through such phase. If we check his record it might be the 1st time. 

U have to back ur players in such phases, he has backed this whole team as a captain. N in his struggling phase if hebis still avg 50 in this yr with 100s/r.....well u have to back him during this phase then. He isnt a liability in anyway .....good behind stumps

 

Yes he is falling in somearea but most in this team are. 

 

M sure u have watched a lot player go through such or worst phases n come out of it. 

 

He started slow but covered.....isnt that the same thing that our so called 2nd best batsman rohit sharma does

[DDfan2017]

43 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

Sigh.Where did I say Dhoni did a great job?

 

I hate to quote my post again but ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

When did someone say Rahane or Yuvi did a great job?

[DDfan2017]

19 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I think no one here denies he is struggling and every player goes through such phase. If we check his record it might be the 1st time. 

U have to back ur players in such phases, he has backed this whole team as a captain. N in his struggling phase if hebis still avg 50 in this yr with 100s/r.....well u have to back him during this phase then. He isnt a liability in anyway .....good behind stumps

 

Yes he is falling in somearea but most in this team are. 

 

M sure u have watched a lot player go through such or worst phases n come out of it. 

 

He started slow but covered.....isnt that the same thing that our so called 2nd best batsman rohit sharma does

3 years of similar struggle for a 36 yrs old is not bad phase, its end of abilities. Ending with 100 strike rate is not called covered for the slow start. And even if Rohit starts slow, he doesn't score 25 off 50. His slow starts too fetch 35 at least off 50. And after changing gears, what Rohit does for 8-10 overs, Dhoni does that for last 2 overs. Am not supporting slow starts by Rohit, but when Rohit bats, field is up, u can't get too many singles, but when Dhoni bats, singles and twos r easier to find with a spread out field.

Edited July 1, 2017 by DDfan2017

[Ankit_sharma03]

17 minutes ago, DDfan2017 said:

3 years of similar struggle for a 36 yrs old is not bad phase, its end of abilities. Ending with 100 strike rate is not called covered for the slow start. And even if Rohit starts slow, he doesn't score 25 off 50. His slow starts too fetch 35 at least off 50. And after changing gears, what Rohit does for 8-10 overs, Dhoni does that for last 2 overs. Am not supporting slow starts by Rohit, but when Rohit bats, field is up, u can't get too many singles, but when Dhoni bats, singles and twos r easier to find with a spread out field.

Rohit bats in power play ye bhin ginna tha na. When field is up more chance to hit out. 

 

In most cases rohit will have many batsman after him at dhoni position not many

 

 

If struggle has that number well.....ill take that struggle. 3 yrs of struggle yet better then many many. At 36 fitter then many of the younger lot

[Sgattick10]

People watching this series should be given an award

[DDfan2017]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Rohit bats in power play ye bhin ginna tha na. When field is up more chance to hit out. 

That's why I said that I don't support slow starts by Rohit... Still if Rohit stays till end, his strike rate ends up in 150-160, while Dhoni ends up in 100. Actually Dhoni's innings should b around 100 strike rate throughout and end with 150-160.