Dhoniconda suffocating India now

[Laaloo]

36 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

I have already said he should have win this match and its disappointed that he dint . Dhoni needs acknowledge that he cannot win matches on his own now , his role has to change if he has to play . Let some one else take the responsibility of anchoring . 

 

But if we are going to blame one batsmen for scoring 54/114 , not rest of the team for not being able to get128 runs of 186 balls ? or if you exclude Rahane , 8 wickets and 65 runs of 100 balls , you got that wrong !!

Kohli has been carrying the team for years now. He was bound for some failures. DK has no business being in the squad. Dhawan has also performed recently. This guy scored two boundaries in 120 balls. 2 freaking boundaries. How are you even defending that? If he had taken some risks against full tosses and short and wide deliveries, we wouldnt have needed 14 runs in the last over.

[maniac]

7 minutes ago, Praggy said:

Kohli has been carrying the team for years now. He was bound for some failures. DK has no business being in the squad. Dhawan has also performed recently. This guy scored two boundaries in 120 balls. 2 freaking boundaries. How are you even defending that? If he had taken some risks against full tosses and short and wide deliveries, we wouldnt have needed 14 runs in the last over.

He also thinks there is no replacement for Yuvraj in India at the moment... so there is that

[Laaloo]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

He also thinks there is no replacement for Yuvraj in India at the moment... so there is that

yeah but other fans should stop watching cricket

[Laaloo]

What's even more pathetic is that if we were chasing over 300, Dhoni would still have played like this. Tuk tuke, tuk tuk tuk tuk  and let others take risks and after they lose wickets and when the match is done and dusted, he can score some boundaries off of part timers so his overall numbers look good.

Edited July 3, 2017 by Praggy

[jusarrived]

8 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Don't you think with the tag of experienced player he should be taking more responsibility? Whenever top order fails to perform, we usually associate that to Kohli and in middle order, its clearly Dhoni's job to guide, not play cowardly like he did in the last game for his own selfish reasons. 

On the contrary he should relax and stop batting like everything depends on him , may then we will know how good the Likes of Jadhav are . Dhoni has always played like this , even Virat does exactly the same they do not take risks till a point they have to . I will not be surprised Virat becomes even more circumspect than he is now if he does not get the support from middle order . As for Dhoni , even though his approach hasnt changed he does not have the same ability he had few years back , so its time he changes his approach .

[maniac]

1 minute ago, jusarrived said:

On the contrary he should relax and stop batting like everything depends on him , may then we will know how good the Likes of Jadhav are . Dhoni has always played like this , even Virat does exactly the same they do not take risks till a point they have to . I will not be surprised Virat becomes even more circumspect than he is now if he does not get the support from middle order . As for Dhoni , even though his approach hasnt changed he does not have the same ability he had few years back , so its time he changes his approach .

Every 2-3 months after a innings like this we hear Dhoni is practicing some new technique to get back his old hitting.The fact is Dhoni never had any technique to begin with...what he had is great mental strength/temperament and great hand-eye coordination. 

 

Just like every player who relies relies solely on hand eye coordination his time is up...it has happened to even Viv Richards so what is Dhoni.

 

now coming to mental strength...Dhoni was fearless when he started...his 100s at the beginning of his career showed he was not playing for his place but just pure fearless

cticket which made me a fan of his(yes hard to believe I know)...now he is just a phattu trying to live up to his reputation...harsh but true

[jusarrived]

21 minutes ago, Praggy said:

Kohli has been carrying the team for years now. He was bound for some failures. DK has no business being in the squad. Dhawan has also performed recently. This guy scored two boundaries in 120 balls. 2 freaking boundaries. How are you even defending that? If he had taken some risks against full tosses and short and wide deliveries, we wouldnt have needed 14 runs in the last over.

Virat hasnt played a genuinely match winning knock chasing in past 2 years .

Not defending the innings am just saying we are in denial if we think just droping Dhoni will solve real issues with this team . 

[maniac]

1 minute ago, jusarrived said:

Virat hasnt played a genuinely match winning knock chasing in past 2 years .

Not defending the innings am just saying we are in denial if we think just droping Dhoni will solve real issues with this team . 

Did you miss Wt20 2016???

[jusarrived]

24 minutes ago, maniac said:

He also thinks there is no replacement for Yuvraj in India at the moment... so there is that

You cannot replace Pant with Yuvi/Dhoni . We do not have potentially world class finishers in domestic , though there are quite a few who can play in the top order . 

[maniac]

Just now, jusarrived said:

You cannot replace Pant with Yuvi/Dhoni . We do not have potentially world class finishers in domestic , though there are quite a few who can play in the top order . 

Yuvi is batting at no.4 isn't that considered top order anymore these days?

[Rasgulla]

9 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Virat hasnt played a genuinely match winning knock chasing in past 2 years .

Not defending the innings am just saying we are in denial if we think just droping Dhoni will solve real issues with this team . 

 Bhai you are quoting wrong one... look back his posts from the start LOL even if we won he ll find a way to bitch about it and MS is must in his posts

Edited July 3, 2017 by Rasgulla

[jusarrived]

5 minutes ago, maniac said:

Did you miss Wt20 2016???

are we talking about tests as well ? 

I thought the discussion was ODI and am fairly certain chasing 180 in 20 overs is very different from chasing 320 50 . The shorter the format your reliance on other players reduces , Virat in T20s does not have to worry about who bats after him in T20s as much as he has to in ODIs . Makes all the difference .

[Rasgulla]

5 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

are we talking about tests as well ? 

I thought the discussion was ODI and am fairly certain chasing 180 in 20 overs is very different from chasing 320 50 . The shorter the format your reliance on other players reduces , Virat in T20s does not have to worry about who bats after him in T20s as much as he has to in ODIs . Makes all the difference .

It actually has been long time since virat scored a 100 Hopefully he ll be back in form... Its important to score as many as he can and erase that one selfish guy from History books when he takes over that 100s for future generation of Indian cricket. There will be a book written 

 

"Scoring 100s in a right way" with the Team and for the Team

[jusarrived]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

Yuvi is batting at no.4 isn't that considered top order anymore these days?

you can call it top or middle order , but 4 is extremely important batting position when you chase . Pant is definitely not ready to take that responsibility apart from the fact that hes a genuine opener . I think hes going to fail @4 , even if he plays a good knock it will not be a big score and will be forgotten and will be a chucked from the team after being given a few matches .

[Laaloo]

32 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

On the contrary he should relax and stop batting like everything depends on him , may then we will know how good the Likes of Jadhav are . Dhoni has always played like this , even Virat does exactly the same they do not take risks till a point they have to . I will not be surprised Virat becomes even more circumspect than he is now if he does not get the support from middle order . As for Dhoni , even though his approach hasnt changed he does not have the same ability he had few years back , so its time he changes his approach .

104 balls for his first boundary!!!!!! He cant play lower than 5 anymore or in the top order. The guy is lunging against medicore spinners and eating dot balls.

[Laaloo]

1 minute ago, jusarrived said:

you can call it top or middle order , but 4 is extremely important batting position when you chase . Pant is definitely not ready to take that responsibility apart from the fact that hes a genuine opener . I think hes going to fail @4 , even if he plays a good knock it will not be a big score and will be forgotten and will be a chucked from the team after being given a few matches .

And that is why you open with pant and dhawan, groom pandey/iyer for 4 and 5 respectively. This was the perfect series to do that against a windies d side.

[maniac]

1 minute ago, jusarrived said:

you can call it top or middle order , but 4 is extremely important batting position when you chase . Pant is definitely not ready to take that responsibility apart from the fact that hes a genuine opener . I think hes going to fail @4 , even if he plays a good knock it will not be a big score and will be forgotten and will be a chucked from the team after being given a few matches .

Again how are you so sure that a new guy will fail without even trying him while suggesting to continue with a player who has been mediocre to poor? If Yuvi is the only option available for no4 than sorry to say Indian cricket is in the dumps

[Laaloo]

34 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Virat hasnt played a genuinely match winning knock chasing in past 2 years .

Not defending the innings am just saying we are in denial if we think just droping Dhoni will solve real issues with this team . 

Not saying only dropping dhoni will resolve all the issues but getting pant to open, grooming iyer/pandey for 4 and 5 and getting another genuine all rounder at 7 after pandey will do wonders.

 

 

Pant

Dhawan

Kohli

Iyer

Pandey

Pandya

AR

Kuldeep

Shami

Umesh/Bhuvi

Bumrah

 

Edit: Looks like I forgot about Rahul. You can try to groom him for 4/5 as well.

Edited July 3, 2017 by Praggy

[Laaloo]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

Again how are you so sure that a new guy will fail without even trying him while suggesting to continue with a player who has been mediocre to poor? If Yuvi is the only option available for no4 than sorry to say Indian cricket is in the dumps

If you're defending Dhoni, you have to defend yuvi as well during this time.

[jusarrived]

3 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

It actually has been long time since virat scored a 100 Hopefully he ll be back in form... Its important to score as many as he can and erase that one selfish guy from History books when he takes over that 100s for future generation of Indian cricket. There will be a book written 

 

"Scoring 100s in a right way" with the Team and for the Team

I think Virat will be fine , he just needs good support . 

Am banking  on Pant , Rahul and Sarfaraz (not sure where he is now ) .