Coach , Not captain , should be the team Boss !

[bleaf27]

So regardless of how idiotic Kohli is , the underlying understanding of why a Coach should be the boss and not the captain correctly puts forth the argument that I had put forth myself. 

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/column/coach-not-captain-must-be-the-team-boss/20170703.htm

 

My counter is that if cricket is about changing strategy from session to session, then it is even more necessary that the guy planning strategy is sitting outside the pitch, glued to the television, judging each and every delivery and then relaying a message to the captain on how to make the best out of the variables that present themselves on the ground.

A captain of a sporting event is a player first and foremost. He is made the skipper of the team only after he has been inducted into the playing eleven.

A captain may suddenly lose his form and his slump could affect his self-esteem. As a non-playing leader, the coach is beyond criticism for his own performance in the field as his own playing days are long gone.

 

[Pollack]

Both should work together in coordination. Final decisions should be on captain but he should take inputs from coach and value them. 

[Rasgulla]

Nfl type thing won't work in Indian cricket unfortunately 

[bleaf27]

Just now, Rasgulla said:

Nfl type thing won't work in Indian cricket unfortunately 

This isn't an NFL thing but any sport except cricket -    NHL , Soccer , NBA , you name it.  

 

[Rasgulla]

8 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

This isn't an NFL thing but any sport except cricket -    NHL , Soccer , NBA , you name it.  

 

They have been like that since day 1

 

manager for football and coaches or whatever for rest of them 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

A coaches job is to prepare the players and give it to the captain, which also includes helping captain off field and giving a diff perspective . 

It was and shud always be a captain's team- he is on the field he knws how is his players reacting and feeling. 

If u dnt trust the captain better change him, rather making him a puppet of the coach . 

 

Dressing room men laptop pe baith ke captaincy nahin hoti

[maniac]

Coach has no control/decision making powers over on field plays like they have in NFL,NBA etc etc...captain has to make the call.

 

However decisions like what combination needs to play based on pitch,opposition,Toss etc etc .should be the completely coach's domain maybe with some input from the captain

[Pollack]

Coach should definitely have some say in team selection. No way it should be captain's team only. Besides coach should be responsible for maintaining discipline. Planning training sessions. Working on players technique. Preparing strategy with captain. But current players don't want any of these. They want to be their own boss. Train if they want and shop or have fun if they dont want to. They clearly don't want a coach rather a cheerleader.

[maniac]

29 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

A coaches job is to prepare the players and give it to the captain, which also includes helping captain off field and giving a diff perspective . 

It was and shud always be a captain's team- he is on the field he knws how is his players reacting and feeling. 

If u dnt trust the captain better change him, rather making him a puppet of the coach . 

 

Dressing room men laptop pe baith ke captaincy nahin hoti

Well "analysis" before the game is clearly lacking right now...about time Kohli gets a latest laptop to see why team combo is not working...atleast looking up Dinesh Karthik's international stats on cricinfo would be a start

[Ankit_sharma03]

33 minutes ago, maniac said:

However decisions like what combination needs to play based on pitch,opposition,Toss etc etc .should be the completely coach's domain maybe with some input from the captain

Dnt agree to this its shud be captain's domain with coaches help with inputs from coach as captain has to play with his resources. 

 

Many coaches all around the world how much cricket have they played. ..........

3 minutes ago, maniac said:

Well "analysis" before the game is clearly lacking right now...about time Kohli gets a latest laptop to see why team combo is not working...atleast looking up Dinesh Karthik's international stats on cricinfo would be a start

Well if he cudnt make out by watching live rahane inability to play LOI, dnt really think stats on cricinfo wud be of much use. 

Edited July 3, 2017 by Ankit_sharma03

[Khota]

I have saying this for decades. Coach should lead the team not the captain. Three sheets of paper with written instructions for captain are good enough. 

Look at any NFL setup. A head coach has headset on and is in continuous communication with assistant coaches and making real time decisions. No one is saying captain has no role but you need inputs from everyone and let coach has the final say. As I said before we come from land of Dronacharya and Guru is an Indian word.

 

Kohli has way too much power.

 

The day I saw Dhoni bowling in England that was the day I made up my mind. 

[maniac]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Dnt agree to this its shud be captain's domain with coaches help with inputs from coach as captain has to play with his resources. 

 

Many coaches all around the world how much cricket have they played. ..........

Well if he cudnt make out by watching live rahane inability to play LOI, dnt really think stats on cricinfo wud be of much use. 

Playing a lot of cricket doesn't equate to being the best analyst.

 

Sachin Tendulkar,Brian Lara etc were not great captains even though they were head and shoulders above everyone else in their team.

 

Yes captain can lead by example on the field,make situational decisions but captain can't look at the data and analyze pitch and weather conditions. Obviously a captain will pick X1 players he is comfortable with but that doesn't equate the right combo...that is when an analyst looking from the outside comes in.

 

[Khota]

1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

Nfl type thing won't work in Indian cricket unfortunately 

It will The current setup is clearly not working.

[Rasgulla]

Just now, Khota said:

It will The current setup is clearly not working.

Problem kya hai ab ? 

[Pollack]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Dnt agree to this its shud be captain's domain with coaches help with inputs from coach as captain has to play with his resources. 

 

Many coaches all around the world how much cricket have they played. ..........

Well if he cudnt make out by watching live rahane inability to play LOI, dnt really think stats on cricinfo wud be of much use

How many matches have you played to suggest Rahane, DK and Yuvi shouldn't be in team.  Point being they need not play a lot of matches in their career to suggest team combination. Some people are great analyst but not enactors.

Having said that I disagree team combination should be completely coach's domain. Both captain and coach are adults and professionals. If they cannot make a decision together they are not fit to lead.

[Khota]

1 minute ago, Rasgulla said:

Problem kya hai ab ? 

final haar gayen hain bhai. Pakistani log jaan kha gaye hain. Bahud sir dardi hai. Kohli chewtiya hai. 

[SK_IH]

Just now, Khota said:

final haar gayen hain bhai. Pakistani log jaan kha gaye hain. Bahud sir dardi hai. Kohli chewtiya hai. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, maniac said:

Playing a lot of cricket doesn't equate to being the best analyst.

 

Sachin Tendulkar,Brian Lara etc were not great captains even though they were head and shoulders above everyone else in their team.

 

Yes captain can lead by example on the field,make situational decisions but captain can't look at the data and analyze pitch and weather conditions. Obviously a captain will pick X1 players he is comfortable with but that doesn't equate the right combo...that is when an analyst looking from the outside comes in.

 

Ofcourse it doesnt make right combo, n if it happens again n agian well u have got the wrong captain 

Everyone makes mistake 

 

Tendulkar , lara or many gr8s might have not been gr8 captain but they lacked good support as well from coaches n board. Thats what coaches job is to support and help the team. But ultimately its a captains team.

 

Analyst job is support the captain with data . U can have all the data all the planning on paper or computer ultimately game is played on field by 22 people and thats were captain has to control things so he shud get what he wants

 

N as i said if we think he is making mistakes and not learning from it , well its a wrong choice of captain

[Rasgulla]

24 minutes ago, Khota said:

final haar gayen hain bhai. Pakistani log jaan kha gaye hain. Bahud sir dardi hai. Kohli chewtiya hai. 

One off match man... Won't happen again nothing went our way that day

 

[bleaf27]

5 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

One off match man... Won't happen again nothing went our way that day

 

Issue isn't with one match but the recent mentality which has been evident in the team, favoritism, superstar egos and disregard for authority is the issue.