Sachin Tendulkar v Virat Kohli - who is better ODI batsman?

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
AB de Villiers (SA)	2008-2018	169	160	33	7681	176	60.48	7283	105.46	22	42	2	624	167
V Kohli (INDIA)	2008-2018	215	207	36	10199	183	59.64	10987	92.82	38	48	12	956	111
Fakhar Zaman (PAK)	2017-2018	23	23	4	1121	210*	59.00	1135	98.76	3	6	2	132	20
MS Dhoni (INDIA)	2008-2018	235	195	57	7335	139*	53.15	8578	85.50	7	50	4	547	140
S Chanderpaul (WI)	2008-2011	43	40	9	1637	112*	52.80	2274	71.98	3	12	1	107	14
Babar Azam (PAK)	2015-2018	51	49	8	2129	125*	51.92	2523	84.38	8	8	1	171	21
AT Rayudu (INDIA)	2013-2018	44	40	12	1447	124*	51.67	1815	79.72	3	9	1	121	24
JE Root (ENG)	2013-2018	121	115	19	4946	133*	51.52	5722	86.43	13	29	4	392	40
IJL Trott (ENG)	2009-2013	68	65	10	2819	137	51.25	3658	77.06	4	22	5	216	3
HM Amla (SA)	2008-2018	169	166	11	7696	159	49.65	8618	89.30	26	36	4	785	52
LRPL Taylor (NZ)	2008-2018	171	160	29	6415	181*	48.96	7745	82.82	17	37	5	522	111
KC Sangakkara (SL)	2008-2015	196	188	18	8217	169	48.33	9899	83.00	19	52	8	791	61
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	2008-2012	56	55	4	2464	200*	48.31	2698	91.32	8	9	1	269	26
JM Bairstow (ENG)	2011-2018	54	50	8	2017	141*	48.02	1929	104.56	6	7	2	220	42
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2008-2018	188	183	30	7330	264	47.90	8276	88.56	21	35	12	647	197

 

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V Kohli (INDIA)	2012-2018	141	136	26	7339	183	66.71	7580	96.82	30	30	7	682	96
Imam-ul-Haq (PAK)	2017-2018	14	14	2	769	128	64.08	921	83.49	4	3	1	52	7
AB de Villiers (SA)	2012-2018	109	103	23	5054	176	63.17	4519	111.83	14	27	2	413	128
Fakhar Zaman (PAK)	2017-2018	23	23	4	1121	210*	59.00	1135	98.76	3	6	2	132	20
LRPL Taylor (NZ)	2012-2018	94	91	19	4082	181*	56.69	4874	83.75	14	21	3	347	44
KC Sangakkara (SL)	2012-2015	98	93	10	4503	169	54.25	5107	88.17	14	26	5	434	42
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2012-2018	120	118	14	5581	264	53.66	6063	92.05	19	25	7	525	177

 

As we can see, 'Kohli stands alone' is a pretty incorrect statement : ABDV matches him in average and strike rate both in 'since debut' and 'peak kohli' benchmarks. Tendulkar had NO PEER in the average PLUS strike rate regard in his prime or for most of his career (till Dhoni showed up basically and matched him in average and strike rate, though Dhoni is a lower order guy with better opportunity to maximize both).

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, mishra said:

They dont need to, modern odi game is all about SR. Game has changed.

Thats the reason we are loosing against windies or England despite a hundred from Kohli.

You can look into Average, but its S/R which matters.

 

This was a list of modern ODI batsmen all over the world with 50+ averages.

 

No one other than Kohli and ABDV, have strike rates above 90.

 

Kohli's strike rate of 93 is very good for a top 3 batter.

[vvvslaxman]

52 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

really find it strange that '500' mark is given so much preference. We need  to realize that the chances of that depends on the no: of inns a batsman gets to play thru a series. So avg:  in a  series should be  the criteria, not this '500' thing. If we go thru series wise data of Sachin, we can see that there were several series where he could easily have touched '500' but couldn't because of the very few no: of inns he played in those series.

For instance in IND vs AUS series in 2010/11  Sachin scored  403 from just 4 inns with avg: 134.33. If he just continued with the not out  inns  he would have touched 500  even there it self, let alone the case that  he got 8 full inns in the series. Similarly  in 2008 AUS series he needed just 7 runs to touch 500.If he batted thru  the 1 not out inns , he would have touched that.So avg: needs to be given preference , not this '500' limit.

It is a mark of consistency in a given series.  With the kind of talent he was blessed with, with the kind of rubbish English, Srilankan, Zimbabwe attack he had to face in the 90s he should have made 500 atleast in one of the series. I lived through that era, worshipped him in that era. But i  will always be the first one to admit he did great injustice to his form and talent. COme on man . We are talking about guy who played close to 20 years. You think he only had two chances to get to 500 and missed both of them? This is where Kohli is slightly different. He makes his form count bigger. That is why he is piling up centuries like nobody's business. Tendulkar had two things that went against him.  He was not a groundstroke player like Laxman or Kohli. From time to time he would try to go over the field and often perished. I remember his 1993 test series when he was in sublime touch and Kambli was making merry, starting 2nd or 3rd day he had huge concentration lapse and guiding a half tracker outside the off to slips. Same way he did that a couple of times against  Vaas. Concentration level of Kohli is higher. IN this era you are bound to lose far more easily given the way you are required to switch formats. Tendulkar could have piled up like 600 runs in each series ( one white wash series against England one against Srilanka). He didn't.  Dravid has scored twin centuries thrice in his career. Twin fifties. 233 & 70 at adelaide. 3 out of 5 resulted in win. Stepping up in both the innings is also  mark of a great batsman. Apart from his 241 & 60 on a flat road and twin fifties at Mumbai (where we got thrashed by Australia) he always failed in one innings.  This is why i don't put him on a pedestal like every other fan boy. Kohli's achievements cannot be judged based on "shoulda coudla woulda" theories.  He probably could have outscored him as well. Who knows? 

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, mishra said:

I am not saying Kohli isnt a beast. But if a batsman has more than 4 strong areas . I.e 4+ locations can hit a ball for 6, he is unstoppable in current day odi system. Simple as that.

so its two new balls which are creating that additional pace and timing, this additional pace and timing was non existentent after 30th over. 

Take the second ball out of odi game. Ground shots would be protected and sixes may turn into catches

No if you place the ball you can score fours in any era. Exhibit A Azharuddin.  Most of his 100 plus strike rates hardly had any sixes. He would just place the ball in unusual areas. Not saying Tendulkar is not a good placer of the ball. But inside first 15 he would always take the aerial route since Ganguly often played second fiddle.  One reason is game has evolved. Things have changed. Look at ABDV or even McCullum. Look at the outrageous shots they played. I cannot imagine anyone from any era batting like ABDV does in his peak. T20 played some contribution. You gotta say. If you ask me each batsman has their own strength. Upto 2000 Tendulkar had no equals in world cricket bar Lara. But post 2000 in some areas even some of the Indian batsmen were better than Sachin in some areas. Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/16675/scorecard/64335/india-vs-new-zealand-4th-odi-new-zealand-tour-of-india-1988-89

[rtmohanlal]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

It is a mark of consistency in a given series.  With the kind of talent he was blessed with, with the kind of rubbish English, Srilankan, Zimbabwe attack he had to face in the 90s he should have made 500 atleast in one of the series. I lived through that era, worshipped him in that era. But i  will always be the first one to admit he did great injustice to his form and talent. COme on man . We are talking about guy who played close to 20 years. You think he only had two chances to get to 500 and missed both of them? This is where Kohli is slightly different. He makes his form count bigger. That is why he is piling up centuries like nobody's business. Tendulkar had two things that went against him.  He was not a groundstroke player like Laxman or Kohli. From time to time he would try to go over the field and often perished. I remember his 1993 test series when he was in sublime touch and Kambli was making merry, starting 2nd or 3rd day he had huge concentration lapse and guiding a half tracker outside the off to slips. Same way he did that a couple of times against  Vaas. Concentration level of Kohli is higher. IN this era you are bound to lose far more easily given the way you are required to switch formats. Tendulkar could have piled up like 600 runs in each series ( one white wash series against England one against Srilanka). He didn't.  Dravid has scored twin centuries thrice in his career. Twin fifties. 233 & 70 at adelaide. 3 out of 5 resulted in win. Stepping up in both the innings is also  mark of a great batsman. Apart from his 241 & 60 on a flat road and twin fifties at Mumbai (where we got thrashed by Australia) he always failed in one innings.  This is why i don't put him on a pedestal like every other fan boy. Kohli's achievements cannot be judged based on "shoulda coudla woulda" theories.  He probably could have outscored him as well. Who knows? 

Firstly, there is a matter called context that needs to be taken into account for every stats .Other wise that stats does not have much meaning. For instance take Imran & Kapil, keeping aside ball tampering aspect. Imran avg:ed 22.81 & Kapil could avg: 29.65 only. Based on this, if I conclude that Kapil was only 22.81/29.65 = 76.93% only  a bowler as Imran was then it doesn't make any sense.This is because 3 factors  affected Kapil's bowling stats, namely his longevity, lack of support bowling & work density. So when evaluating  Kapil's bowling performance marks need to be provided for these 3 factors. By how much, each & every person  can vary

but if Kapil is not at all provided marks for these 3 factors, then this comparison does not make any sense.

      Similarly Sachin-Laxman. Sachin scored  13534 runs in his peak phase @ 59.35 avg: with 47 100s.Laxman scored only  8781 runs  @45.97 runs  with 17 100s only. So, by mere stats alone there is no comparison.The gap is so huge in favour of  Sachin in every aspect so much so that if a person concludes  Laxman was only half a test batsman that Sachin was going by  mere stats, no body can blame him. But the truth ?? Laxman played at 6th  position in general where the chances of scoring big 100s was way much lesser. Not only that , on various occasions he would have been forced to accelerate  towards the inns in an attempt to gather as much runs as possible before tailenders got out and in that effort sacrificing his wkt.So all these had an effect  on each and every  stats of his.Based on that, I am sure no body can place Laxman  lower than  below 2 levels to Sachin   as a test batsman.

 

The same context  applies here too. Kohli  has till now played 24 series of which  he played at least '6' inns in 11 of them.That is 11/24 = 45.83. On the other hand leaving aside initial  and final phases(while 'he was  only a teenager' & ' way past his prime ' respectively),

in which Sachin gathered 13534 runs @ 59.35 , he played 60 series  of which  he got at least 6 inns  in only 16 of them.That is 16/60 = 26.67 % only.

 

Another point is that Sachin faced several  <25 averaging   bowlers during his phase. Playing such high quality bowlers thru out,  too

reduces the chances of scoring huge in series. Apart from Steyn & perhaps Philander, I do not find any one from the current bunch averaging <25 by the time he retires. Perhaps Mohammed Abbas too, but I don't see Kohli playing against Pakistan either.

 

Despite all the above adverse factors, Sachin averaged hugely in several series  in which , had he got more inns to play in, he would easily have crossed 500+ several times.

 

So basically we can rate Kohli better to Sachin w.r.t 'mammoth' series   performances. But ,if we do not take into account  contexts  in the form of  the above said disadvantages  in evaluating  Sachin's 'mammoth series' performances, then that doesn't make any sense at all just like Kapil-Imran & Sachin-Laxman cases.

 

BTW , don't know why you dismiss SL,ENG attacks as rubbish. Vas-Muarali , Gough,Fraser,Caddick,Cork all were in the range great-good bowlers.Similarly Sachin has scored several twin inns too,

68-119* in ENG,179-54 vs WI,  47-113 in NZL, 177-74 in ENG, 116-52 in AUS , 41-86 in WI, 214-53* vs AUS all comes into mind along with 241*-61* in AUS.    

Edited November 1, 2018 by rtmohanlal

[mishra]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

This was a list of modern ODI batsmen all over the world with 50+ averages.

 

No one other than Kohli and ABDV, have strike rates above 90.

 

Kohli's strike rate of 93 is very good for a top 3 batter.

ABDV Amala has allmost retired. Most of their career is before 2 new ball era. Comparing their S/R to Kohli is not right.Even Joe Root S/R has increased since 2 new ball introduction. I am saying this because There were calls that he was unfit for odis.

 

Azam making it to that list simply Tells that criteria you are usung is incorrect.

 

Modern day odi is all about S/R. A good batsman has to know that his S/R should over shadow opponent  players strike rate if he plays along inning.

Without running statsguru, i can guess that Players like Rohit or Dhawan will have same or better S/R compared to Kohli whenever they got a hundred. 

[vvvslaxman]

4 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

Firstly, there is a matter called context that needs to be taken into account for every stats .Other wise that stats does not have much meaning. For instance take Imran & Kapil, keeping aside ball tampering aspect. Imran avg:ed 22.81 & Kapil could avg: 29.65 only. Based on this, if I conclude that Kapil was only 22.81/29.65 = 76.93% only  a bowler as Imran was then it doesn't make any sense.This is because 3 factors  affected Kapil's bowling stats, namely his longevity, lack of support bowling & work density. So when evaluating  Kapil's bowling performance marks need to be provided for these 3 factors. By how much, each & every person  can vary

but if Kapil is not at all provided marks for these 3 factors, then this comparison does not make any sense.

      Similarly Sachin-Laxman. Sachin scored  13534 runs in his peak phase @ 59.35 avg: with 47 100s.Laxman scored only  8781 runs  @45.97 runs  with 17 100s only. So, by mere stats alone there is no comparison.The gap is so huge in favour of  Sachin in every aspect so much so that if a person concludes  Laxman was only half a test batsman that Sachin was going by  mere stats, no body can blame him. But the truth ?? Laxman played at 6th  position in general where the chances of scoring big 100s was way much lesser. Not only that , on various occasions he would have been forced to accelerate  towards the inns in an attempt to gather as much runs as possible before tailenders got out and in that effort sacrificing his wkt.So all these had an effect  on each and every  stats of his.Based on that, I am sure no body can place Laxman  lower than  below 2 levels to Sachin   as a test batsman.

 

The same context  applies here too. Kohli  has till now played 24 series of which  he played at least '6' inns in 11 of them.That is 11/24 = 45.83. On the other hand leaving aside initial  and final phases(while 'he was  only a teenager' & ' way past his prime ' respectively),

in which Sachin gathered 13534 runs @ 59.35 , he played 60 series  of which  he got at least 6 inns  in only 16 of them.That is 16/60 = 26.67 % only.

 

Another point is that Sachin faced several  <25 averaging   bowlers during his phase. Playing such high quality bowlers thru out,  too

reduces the chances of scoring huge in series. Apart from Steyn & perhaps Philander, I do not find any one from the current bunch averaging <25 by the time he retires. Perhaps Mohammed Abbas too, but I don't see Kohli playing against Pakistan either.

 

Despite all the above adverse factors, Sachin averaged hugely in several series  in which , had he got more inns to play in, he would easily have crossed 500+ several times.

 

So basically we can rate Kohli better to Sachin w.r.t 'mammoth' series   performances. But ,if we do not take into account  contexts  in the form of  the above said disadvantages  in evaluating  Sachin's 'mammoth series' performances, then that doesn't make any sense at all just like Kapil-Imran & Sachin-Laxman cases.

 

BTW , don't know why you dismiss SL,ENG attacks as rubbish. Vas-Muarali , Gough,Fraser,Caddick,Cork all were in the range great-good bowlers.Similarly Sachin has scored several twin inns too,

68-119* in ENG,179-54 vs WI,  47-113 in NZL, 177-74 in ENG, 116-52 in AUS , 41-86 in WI, 214-53* vs AUS all comes into mind along with 241*-61* in AUS.    

Your context is purely based on assumptions. Assumptions like same bowlers from the 90s would replicate the same now. Sehwag, Jayasuriya retired long back. Do you see anyone like them batting in the initial overs these days? Tendulkar's batting peak didn't exactly coincide with the great ODI bowling era. These were top wicket takers. Given the match fixing, tampering, chucking  i can't even rate some of the performances in Sharjah. Best bowler from Pakistan against India was Aquib Javed. He would get his **** canned if he bowls now.

[mishra]

6 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

No if you place the ball you can score fours in any era. Exhibit A Azharuddin.  Most of his 100 plus strike rates hardly had any sixes. He would just place the ball in unusual areas. Not saying Tendulkar is not a good placer of the ball. But inside first 15 he would always take the aerial route since Ganguly often played second fiddle.  One reason is game has evolved. Things have changed. Look at ABDV or even McCullum. Look at the outrageous shots they played. I cannot imagine anyone from any era batting like ABDV does in his peak. T20 played some contribution. You gotta say. If you ask me each batsman has their own strength. Upto 2000 Tendulkar had no equals in world cricket bar Lara. But post 2000 in some areas even some of the Indian batsmen were better than Sachin in some areas. Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/16675/scorecard/64335/india-vs-new-zealand-4th-odi-new-zealand-tour-of-india-1988-89

Yes, i remember those run a ball chases for last 60-70 runs.

But now a days in last 15-20 overs, teams are allmost doubling their total. Its not about run a ball. A 170 total at end of 30th over should become 340 by end of inning. So when you are seeing those Goat runs and getting awwed, its not run a ball any more. You are seeing a lot more boundries and getting awed.

Now, all that is being reflected in Stats of Player. Hence i say, a six will be caught and boundries will become scarce , reverse swing will come in pic, and spin as soon as you go back to old rules.

Even without any ATG bowler, you will find how quickly those S/R and averages drops

[velu]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Sachin's typical long innings on a true wicket  would be ( let us not discuss about anamolous slow lucky innings)

first 15 boom boom

till 40th over rotate strikes, (slow down near 100)

after 40th over he will start going after again. In the 90s he would postpone it to 45th over

 

i know what you did there

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, mishra said:

Yes, i remember those run a ball chases for last 60-70 runs.

But now a days in last 15-20 overs, teams are allmost doubling their total. Its not about run a ball. A 170 total at end of 30th over should become 340 by end of inning. So when you are seeing those Goat runs and getting awwed, its not run a ball any more. You are seeing a lot more boundries and getting awed.

Now, all that is being reflected in Stats of Player. Hence i say, a six will be caught and boundries will become scarce , reverse swing will come in pic, and spin as soon as you go back to old rules.

Even without any ATG bowler, you will find how quickly those S/R and averages drops

So Bumrah probably would be averaging 15 in the 90s given that he averages 21 now.

[express bowling]

16 minutes ago, mishra said:

ABDV Amala has allmost retired. Most of their career is before 2 new ball era. Comparing their S/R to Kohli is not right.

Amla debuted in ODIs the same year as Kohli did. And he is not almost retired.

 

ABDV debuted in ODIs just 3 years before Kohli.

 

Kohli too has been playing ODIs for 10 years now.

 

16 minutes ago, mishra said:

Even Joe Root S/R has increased since 2 new ball introduction. I am saying this because There were calls that he was unfit for odis.

So  ?

16 minutes ago, mishra said:

Azam making it to that list simply Tells that criteria you are usung is incorrect.

Azam made it to the list as someone said that he has similar stats to Kohli. And he does average 52.

 

16 minutes ago, mishra said:

Modern day odi is all about S/R. A good batsman has to know that his S/R should over shadow opponent  players strike rate if he plays along inning.

Top order ODI batting  have been about a combination of average and strike rate for the last 30 years.  Just a high SR or just a high average is not good enough.

 

16 minutes ago, mishra said:

Without running statsguru, i can guess that Players like Rohit or Dhawan will have same or better S/R compared to Kohli whenever they got a hundred. 

 

But Kohli is more consistent and more dependable.

[vvvslaxman]

Tendulkar was probably the only Indian in the  90s could pull the short ball in that era with any sense of conviction. Even he got hit on the head a couple of times.  This was on flat tracks. Not like fast pacy pitches. YOu think Rohit sharma would miss out on those harmless short pitched pies. Let us agree batting has evolved. Batsmen have become better. MOre audacious. SO even among the improve batsmen Kohli has managed to stand out. 

[mishra]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

So Bumrah probably would be averaging 15 in the 90s given that he averages 21 now.

High probabilty that he would have been a very feared bowler.

But Africans and Aussies had very good bats too.  

Rightnow Aussies are missing Smith and Africa is missing whole team.

 

Saying all that, there was a equally big probability that he would have been so much overused, his shoulders and back wouldn’t have lasted unless he used it economically 

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, mishra said:

High probabilty that he would have been a very feared bowler.

But Africans and Aussies had very good bats too.  

Rightnow Aussies are missing Smith and Africa is missing whole team.

 

Saying all that, there was a equally big probability that he would have been so much overused, his shoulders and back wouldn’t have lasted unless he used it economically 

You have to factor in bowlers are far more exposed in this era than in the 90s. We have IPL where you play alongside some of these bowlers. Only in this era, we see far more tests resulting in a win. Because attitude, the approach has changed. Couple of years back 97% of the tests had a result in a calendar year. A record. 

[mishra]

11 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Amla debuted in ODIs the same year as Kohli did. And he is not almost retired.

ABDV debuted in ODIs just 3 years before Kohli.

Kohli too has been playing ODIs for 10 years now.

Amala and ABDV has allmost retired, debut means nothing as they are still containing high average despite age catching in a era of batting feasts. I remember when Amala was around 28-29, People compared his to Sachin too. But now no body talks, because as soon as peak went, people forgot about comparison.

 

11 minutes ago, express bowling said:

So  ?

It means how riduculously cheap those boundries come which is driving factor for this discussion.

 

11 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Top order ODI batting  have been about a combination of average and strike rate for the last 30 years.  Just a high SR or just a high average is not good enough.

But Kohli is more consistent and more dependable.

lack of wicket taking taking deliveries by changing the goalposts would automatically bring in more consitency when compared to players of past. This is exact same reason why English tail is so successfull. They have simply decoded this very basic flaw in modern odi cricket

[mishra]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

You have to factor in bowlers are far more exposed in this era than in the 90s. We have IPL where you play alongside some of these bowlers. Only in this era, we see far more tests resulting in a win. Because attitude, the approach has changed. Couple of years back 97% of the tests had a result in a calendar year. A record. 

I think, Aussies will give 5 days pitch. Luckily we have a pace battery now. We can switch and swap at will. This was the reason i felt so sorry after Pandya injury (ACC Cup).

Earlier i used to curse some bowlers (specially Sharma). Now my thinking has evolved, I feel when I was cursing them, it was actually poor performance due to burnout

We need few more pacers, so that our bowlers are at optimum level with rested shoulders each time they represent team.

[CSK Fan]

21 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Tendulkar was probably the only Indian in the  90s could pull the short ball in that era with any sense of conviction. Even he got hit on the head a couple of times.  This was on flat tracks. Not like fast pacy pitches. YOu think Rohit sharma would miss out on those harmless short pitched pies. Let us agree batting has evolved. Batsmen have become better. MOre audacious. SO even among the improve batsmen Kohli has managed to stand out. 

So why would you assume Sachin or anyone else in this era wouldnt be as evolved. And the balls which hit Sachin were short pitch pies? Also are you confusing tests with ODIs? This has to be one of the most asinine statement from you ever. Thats like me claiming all of Bumrah's short pitch wickets were pies

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, CSK Fan said:

So why would you assume Sachin or anyone else in this era wouldnt be as evolved. And the balls which hit Sachin were short pitch pies? Also are you confusing tests with ODIs? This has to be one of the most asinine statement from you ever. Thats like me claiming all of Bumrah's short pitch wickets were pies

I am not assuming. If anything Tendulkar also evolved. A guy who did not employ even conventional sweep till the late 90s played reverse in the 2000s.  ALthough Kohli even in this era doesn't play conventional or reverse sweep. I don't say he was not good against short balls.  If anything he was the only good one. Azharuddin, Ganguly were not exactly great against short balls. If you ask me Tendulkar faced better bowlers in the 2000 than in the 1990s. So i am sure he would have done as well.Technically both could have scored in both eras. There is no question about that. But in terms of approach, construction of a ODI innings i would give edge to Kohli. Kohli in that regard will surpass everyone. 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, mishra said:

Yes, i remember those run a ball chases for last 60-70 runs.

But now a days in last 15-20 overs, teams are allmost doubling their total. Its not about run a ball. A 170 total at end of 30th over should become 340 by end of inning. So when you are seeing those Goat runs and getting awwed, its not run a ball any more. You are seeing a lot more boundries and getting awed.

Now, all that is being reflected in Stats of Player. Hence i say, a six will be caught and boundries will become scarce , reverse swing will come in pic, and spin as soon as you go back to old rules.

Even without any ATG bowler, you will find how quickly those S/R and averages drops

what different rules are you talking about? only two new ball rule is the main difference and two new ball rule only came in to play recently but big runs are being scored from far before that rule came into picture.

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55 minutes ago, mishra said:

High probabilty that he would have been a very feared bowler.

But Africans and Aussies had very good bats too.  

Rightnow Aussies are missing Smith and Africa is missing whole team.

 

Saying all that, there was a equally big probability that he would have been so much overused, his shoulders and back wouldn’t have lasted unless he used it economically 

Care to tell which batsman Africa is missing except ABDV? and Bumrah has already bowled to smith and got him out as well.