Who is your first choice spinner for South African tour?

[rkt.india]

14 minutes ago, Texan said:

One good series after how many bad series??

Even England series was good if they had not dropped a half a dozen catches.  That England was the glimpse and Aus series was the show and then now again he is back to being below average. was okay in WI too first test where he picked 5 wickets. Overseas, before in Aus, they all were bad.  

 

TBH, most of our pacers have been like that. One good series and they play on and on based on that. Zaheer averages 35 in India and he played 98 tests for us. Ishant has played 77 tests despite being rubbish. Whoever shows glimpse of good and stays injury free keeps playing. Umesh does have that knack of picking up wickets from nowhere on flat Indian tracks that has kept him in the team.   He averages 31 in India, to Zaheer's 35.

Edited November 24, 2017 by rkt.india

[Cricketics]

13 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

He has jut played 2 tests, not enough sample size.  Umesh has done poorly. just last test series at home, he was our top wicket taker among fast bowlers.  Only Indian fast bowler to have taken more than 15 wickets at home in in last dont know how many years.

So you want him to be picked or not picked? Confused because you said that we need to move on from Umesh. Bhai decide.

 

 

[rkt.india]

2 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

So you want him to be picked or not picked? Confused because you said that we need to move on from Umesh. Bhai decide.

 

 

yes, I do not want him in SA. We can have him at home due to his reverse swing ability but overseas we need more consistent bowlers. We cant afford someone who will bowl a brilliant spell and then being mediocre most of the times. Though topic in this thread is spinners and not pacers. I would like Bumrah in his place in SA though realistically it wont happen. Our team selections are too conservative these days.

[HippoSucks]

Ashwin. If he bowls like he did in WI, he's going to win us the series.

[rkt.india]

1 minute ago, HippoSucks said:

Ashwin. If he bowls like he did in WI, he's going to win us the series.

Wi pitches help spinners. SA's dont.

[Cricketics]

6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

yes, I do not want him in SA. We can have him at home due to his reverse swing ability but overseas we need more consistent bowlers. We cant afford someone who will bowl a brilliant spell and then being mediocre most of the times. Though topic in this thread is spinners and not pacers. I would like Bumrah in his place in SA though realistically it wont happen. Our team selections are too conservative these days.

Okay, so no Umesh overseas you mentioned, And what about when we need to only play 2 pacers at home which happens a lot when playing tests in India. Does Umesh play ahead of Bhuvi at home when Shami is fit? So you will play Shami and Umesh siince you have wanted Umesh ahead of Bhuvi in recent history also during India's home pitch.

 

And whatever happened to grooming new pacer or giving debutants chance at home.

[rkt.india]

8 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Okay, so no Umesh overseas you mentioned, And what about when we need to only play 2 pacers at home which happens a lot when playing tests in India. Does Umesh play ahead of Bhuvi at home when Shami is fit? So you will play Shami and Umesh siince you have wanted Umesh ahead of Bhuvi in recent history also during India's home pitch.

 

And whatever happened to grooming new pacer or giving debutants chance at home.

Yes, we can groom a new pacer like Siraj or someone else who has good pace and ability to generate reverse swing. Because he is not going to many pitches like Eden at home.  BK at home, yes, he too can play until we find a new bowler to groom of if Shami is not available but just because he bowled well in Kolkata, he will still be under scrutiny to see how he bowls on docile pitches like we got in England series and first 3 tests in the Australian series. He certainly has increased pace but is still lower than what you need in flat Indian conditions to be effective with reverse as new ball wont do much most times. This series is exception as they are preparing un-Indian pitches to prepare for SA tour. 

[Cricketics]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Yes, we can groom a new pacer like Siraj or someone else who has good pace and ability to generate reverse swing. Because he is not going to many pitches like Eden at home.  BK at home, yes, he too can play until we find a new bowler to groom of if Shami is not available but just because he bowled well in Kolkata, he will still be under scrutiny to see how he bowls on docile pitches like we got in England series and first 3 tests in the Australian series. He certainly has increased pace but is still lower than what you need in flat Indian conditions to be effective with reverse as new ball wont do much most times. This series is exception as they are preparing un-Indian pitches to prepare for SA tour. 

BK is number 1 preference regardless off how fast he is bowling, be it 132 or 137 or whatever. Shami and BK are first choice always even on docile pitch flat or anything.

 

BK is a must to play every time when available and it is not lower than what we need. Its absolutely fine with his variations he as compensates well and will be more than handy contrary to people believing that he won’t work well on a flat  pitch. 

 

 

 

 

 

[rkt.india]

10 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

BK is number 1 preference regardless off how fast he is bowling, be it 132 or 137 or whatever. Shami and BK are first choice always even on docile pitch flat or anything.

 

BK is a must to play every time when available and it is not lower than what we need. Its absolutely fine with his variations he as compensates well and will be more than handy contrary to people believing that he won’t work well on a flat 

may be for you, but not for the team management yet.

[Cricketics]

So according to ICF so far, Kuldeep should play first choice, and Ashwin too but as 2nd preference. Jadeja should be basically no where near the squad. Interesting votes.

[Texan]

11 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Even England series was good if they had not dropped a half a dozen catches.  That England was the glimpse and Aus series was the show and then now again he is back to being below average. was okay in WI too first test where he picked 5 wickets. Overseas, before in Aus, they all were bad.  

 

TBH, most of our pacers have been like that. One good series and they play on and on based on that. Zaheer averages 35 in India and he played 98 tests for us. Ishant has played 77 tests despite being rubbish. Whoever shows glimpse of good and stays injury free keeps playing. Umesh does have that knack of picking up wickets from nowhere on flat Indian tracks that has kept him in the team.   He averages 31 in India, to Zaheer's 35.

This "Half a dozen catches dropped" and other such excuses have been seen many times. "Half a dozen" catches are dropped off Bhuvi and Shami as well, yet they get more wickets because basically they are better bowlers. Ishant is universally recognized as rubbish, so not a good example to compare with. On Zaheer, he did have 3-4 years when he was consistently good.

[vvvslaxman]

31 minutes ago, Texan said:

This "Half a dozen catches dropped" and other such excuses have been seen many times. "Half a dozen" catches are dropped off Bhuvi and Shami as well, yet they get more wickets because basically they are better bowlers. Ishant is universally recognized as rubbish, so not a good example to compare with. On Zaheer, he did have 3-4 years when he was consistently good.

I remember India dropped more than 5 or 6 catches of Balaji and Irfan's bowling in Pakistan. It was Rawalpindi test. But both of them fashioned a fine series win for India in Pakistan.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Are there more right handers or left handers in the SA XI? That should determine who plays as the lone spinner - Ashwin or jadeja.

[Nikhil_cric]

Picking an inexperienced wrist spinner is a bit of a gamble. For all the hype about wrist spinners, only a few are genuine match winners in a variety of conditions. They might go at over 4 an over and allow the batting side to dictate the pace. An accurate finger spinner who can keep it tight and score some with the bat would be preferable. 

[Vijy]

Would prefer 4 man pace attack if we get green mambas.

[LORD_analyst]

On 11/27/2017 at 4:55 AM, Vijy said:

Would prefer 4 man pace attack if we get green mambas.

3+pandya

[Cricketics]

So Kuldeep couldn’t make it to the squad. So all those who voted for Kuldeep who do you prefer now - Jadeja or Ashwin?

 

[philcric]

13 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

So Kuldeep couldn’t make it to the squad. So all those who voted for Kuldeep who do you prefer now - Jadeja or Ashwin?

 

 

Will start with Ash. If he doesn't do well, then Jaddu.

 

[Laaloo]

16 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

So Kuldeep couldn’t make it to the squad. So all those who voted for Kuldeep who do you prefer now - Jadeja or Ashwin?

 

It's a toss up. But I'd give Ashwin a shot first and then take it from there.